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Today’s church’s misunderstandings
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We still have the three day issue. If he rose on the sabbath he only had two days. So to me anyway, it is not much speculation.
I know you think he was crucified wed. But But that would make it 4 days (wed, thurs, fri, sat). so it does not fit.
If, as you say, the 6th hour was 9 am, He gave up the spirit at 12 noon (the 9th hour). Which would make Wed day one in which his spirit departed. He also had to have been buried BEFORE sundown. which would have been the special sabbath in your timeline. So he was buried on wed also
I know you think he was crucified wed. But But that would make it 4 days (wed, thurs, fri, sat). so it does not fit.
If, as you say, the 6th hour was 9 am, He gave up the spirit at 12 noon (the 9th hour). Which would make Wed day one in which his spirit departed. He also had to have been buried BEFORE sundown. which would have been the special sabbath in your timeline. So he was buried on wed also
I did not say the 6th hour was 9 am. And the time of death is not the issue, but how long He was "in the heart of the earth." Wednesday crucifixion does not equate to Wednesday burial, if He was buried at sundown. That would count as Thursday burial, and give three days and nights "in the heart of the earth" to arrive at a late Sabbath rising.
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That would make him buried on your special sabbath. The reason they requested his body was so they could bury BEFORE this time
We also have Lukes account. That he was buried as the sabbath drew near on the day of preperation.
Luke 23:
50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who[o] himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
John also stated he was buried on the day of preperation.
42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.
so again, This gives us 4 days if it was wed.
We also have Lukes account. That he was buried as the sabbath drew near on the day of preperation.
Luke 23:
50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who[o] himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
John also stated he was buried on the day of preperation.
42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.
so again, This gives us 4 days if it was wed.
Yes, 3 pm is given as time of death, but Jesus was not buried that second. Joseph had to get permission from Pilate for the body, then go to fetch Nicodemus, who John says assisted in the burial. Even if Jesus was fully entombed two seconds before the next day started, I doubt most people would count those two seconds as a day, even given that parts of a day are often counted as a day. That gives all of Thursday, all of Friday, and most of Saturday (with Jesus rising pre-dawn before Sabbath ended) to account for the three days and three nights of being "in the heart of the earth." "In the heart of the earth" was a Hebrew metaphor signifying not just being dead, but being dead and buried.
Now let's talk for a moment of the Gospels accounts Mathew was one of the 12 Mark most likely got is information from Peter and Paul . Luke too from Paul and other
But John and Matthews's witnesses were first hands
Out all which are all true but snapshots from Peter and Pauls and other eye-witnesses
Not so with Matthew and John.
John says in Chapter 19:14
14 Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” Jesus is not even on the cross yet.
16 Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. Then they took Jesus and led Him away.
23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was without seam, woven from the top in one piece.
30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus. 39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby. chapter 20 says the sabbath had passed and MRY LEFT TO THE TOMB WHEN IT WAS STILL DARK.
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No worries, EG! I find such discussions interesting, and freely acknowledge
that there are multiple views, none of which are salvation issues.
"In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity"
that there are multiple views, none of which are salvation issues.
"In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity"
Noting that Jewish days are called according to numerical references, their first day is counted at sunset Saturday and ends at sunset Sunday, the dawn of the solar calendar's first day is Sunday morning...Although not entirely implausible, Jesus rising before dawn on Saturday suggests the women forewent returning to the tomb that (Saturday) evening when it would have no longer been the sabbath and therefore permissible... which sort of suggest a leisurely approach but, it seems to me, the text's use of the term 'immediately' implies a sense of eagerly awaiting first as well as prudent opportunity.
there is no day more important than those days of the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ Anyone who has broken the sabbath once is guilty and is to receive the punishment for doing so. IF you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior the fact that you are guilty and have been justified by the Blood of Jesus you cannot return to the letter of the law without accountability for breaking it. Either you accept the payment for sin by Jesus or you retain it. The sabbath did not save you and you broke and cannot return to it. You are now under grace and your life is now hidden in Christ. God does not care about your ability to keep the sabbath HE wants TO SEE THE NAME IN THE BOOK OD LIFE WRITTEN IN THE lAMBS BLOOD.
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My belief is that Jesus rose before Sunday's dawn
Which place the resurrection at (near/toward) the end of the Sabbath day
The women going to the tomb at dawn on Sunday and finding it empty means Jesus had already risen.
Which place the resurrection at (near/toward) the end of the Sabbath day
The women going to the tomb at dawn on Sunday and finding it empty means Jesus had already risen.