To anyone who disagrees with me

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

James 1
Easy-to-Read Version
1 Greetings from James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

To God’s people[a] who are scattered all over the world.

Faith and Wisdom
2 My brothers and sisters, you will have many kinds of trouble. But this gives you a reason to be very happy. 3 You know that when your faith is tested, you learn to be patient in suffering. 4 If you let that patience work in you, the end result will be good. You will be mature and complete. You will be all that God wants you to be.

5 Do any of you need wisdom? Ask God for it. He is generous and enjoys giving to everyone. So he will give you wisdom. 6 But when you ask God, you must believe. Don’t doubt him. Whoever doubts is like a wave in the sea that is blown up and down by the wind. 7-8 People like that are thinking two different things at the same time. They can never decide what to do. So they should not think they will receive anything from the Lord.

True Riches
9 Believers who are poor should be glad that God considers them so important. 10 Believers who are rich should be glad when bad things happen that humble them. Their riches won’t keep them from disappearing as quickly as wildflowers. 11 As the sun rises and gets hotter, its heat dries up the plants, and the flowers fall off. The flowers that were so beautiful are now dead. That’s how it is with the rich. While they are still making plans for their business, they will die.

Temptation Does Not Come From God
12 Great blessings belong to those who are tempted and remain faithful! After they have proved their faith, God will give them the reward of eternal life. God promised this to all people who love him. 13 Whenever you feel tempted to do something bad, you should not say, “God is tempting me.” Evil cannot tempt God, and God himself does not tempt anyone. 14 You are tempted by the evil things you want. Your own desire leads you away and traps you. 15 Your desire grows inside you until it results in sin. Then the sin grows bigger and bigger and finally ends in death.

16 My dear brothers and sisters, don’t be fooled about this. 17 Everything good comes from God. Every perfect gift is from him. These good gifts come down from the Father who made all the lights in the sky. But God never changes like the shadows from those lights. He is always the same. 18 God decided to give us life through the true message he sent to us. He wanted us to be the most important of all that he created.

Listening and Obeying
19 My dear brothers and sisters, always be more willing to listen than to speak. Keep control of your anger. 20 Anger does not help you live the way God wants. 21 So get rid of everything evil in your lives—every kind of wrong you do. Be humble and accept God’s teaching that is planted in your hearts. This teaching can save you.

22 Do what God’s teaching says; don’t just listen and do nothing. When you only sit and listen, you are fooling yourselves. 23 Hearing God’s teaching and doing nothing is like looking at your face in the mirror 24 and doing nothing about what you saw. You go away and immediately forget how bad you looked. 25 But when you look into God’s perfect law that sets people free, pay attention to it. If you do what it says, you will have God’s blessing. Never just listen to his teaching and forget what you heard.

The True Way to Worship God
26 You might think you are a very religious person. But if your tongue is out of control, you are fooling yourself. Your careless talk makes your offerings to God worthless. 27 The worship that God wants is this: caring for orphans or widows who need help and keeping yourself free from the world’s evil influence. This is the kind of worship that God accepts as pure and good.

Key: asking for wisdom in faith. side note: LDS Missionaries read James 1:5 as a hook to get you later to pray for the book of mormon which satan gives you heartburn as proof it is from God.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

Papermonkey said:

No because we were not raised in the culture, nor background history of the texts in the Bible. Thus we learn from Biblical Scholars many things including the meaning of words in origianal languages that most people do not speak. Hebrew was one of my first languages as a child. I do not speak it today.,

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

John 14
Easy-to-Read Version
Jesus Comforts His Followers
14 Jesus said, “Don’t be troubled. Trust in God, and trust in me. 2 There are many rooms in my Father’s house. I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 After I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back. Then I will take you with me, so that you can be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

5 Thomas said, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.”

8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.”

9 Jesus answered, “Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done.

12 “I can assure you that whoever believes in me will do the same things I have done. And they will do even greater things than I have done, because I am going to the Father. 13 And if you ask for anything in my name, I will do it for you. Then the Father’s glory will be shown through the Son. 14 If you ask me for anything in my name, I will do it.

The Promise of the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, you will do what I command. 16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper[a] to be with you forever. 17 The Helper is the Spirit of truth. The people of the world cannot accept him, because they don’t see him or know him. But you know him. He lives with you, and he will be in you.

18 “I will not leave you all alone like orphans. I will come back to you. 19 In a very short time the people in the world will not see me anymore. But you will see me. You will live because I live. 20 On that day you will know that I am in the Father. You will know that you are in me and I am in you. 21 Those who really love me are the ones who not only know my commands but also obey them. My Father will love such people, and I will love them. I will make myself known to them.”

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “Lord, how will you make yourself known to us, but not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them. 24 But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.

25 “I have told you all these things while I am with you. 26 But the Helper will teach you everything and cause you to remember all that I told you. This Helper is the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name.

27 “I leave you peace. It is my own peace I give you. I give you peace in a different way than the world does. So don’t be troubled. Don’t be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am leaving, but I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be happy that I am going back to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 29 I have told you this now, before it happens. Then when it happens, you will believe.

30 “I will not talk with you much longer. The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me. 31 But the world must know that I love the Father. So I do exactly what the Father told me to do.

“Come now, let’s go.”

Footnotes
John 14:16 Helper Or “Comforter,” the Holy Spirit (see “Holy Spirit” in the Word List). Also in verse 26.
John 14:17 Spirit of truth The Holy Spirit (see “Holy Spirit” in the Word List). It was his work to help Jesus’ followers understand God’s truth. See Jn. 16:13.
John 13

From the context, Jesus is speaking to those who will become the Apostles, except the betrayer. The Holy Spirit is sent to them to bring back to mind what they heard in person what Jesus taught and to teach them only. This is not a promise to all believers in all of time. For that he sent us teachers and pastors.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

John 16
Easy-to-Read Version
16 “I have told you all this so that you won’t lose your faith when you face troubles. 2 People will tell you to leave their synagogues and never come back. In fact, the time will come when they will think that killing you would be doing service for God. 3 They will do this because they have not known the Father, and they have not known me. 4 I have told you all this now to prepare you. So when the time comes for these things to happen, you will remember that I warned you.

The Work of the Holy Spirit
“I did not tell you these things at the beginning, because I was with you then. 5 Now I am going back to the one who sent me. And none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6 But you are filled with sadness because I have told you all this. 7 Let me assure you, it is better for you that I go away. I say this because when I go away I will send the Helper to you. But if I did not go, the Helper would not come.

8 “When the Helper comes, he will show the people of the world how wrong they are about sin, about being right with God, and about judgment. 9 He will prove that they are guilty of sin, because they don’t believe in me. 10 He will show them how wrong they are about how to be right with God. The Helper will do this, because I am going to the Father. You will not see me then. 11 And he will show them how wrong their judgment is, because their leader[a] has already been condemned.

12 “I have so much more to tell you, but it is too much for you to accept now. 13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words. He will speak only what he hears and will tell you what will happen in the future. 14 The Spirit of truth will bring glory to me by telling you what he receives from me. 15 All that the Father has is mine. That is why I said that the Spirit will tell you what he receives from me.

Sadness Will Turn Into Happiness
16 “After a short time you won’t see me. Then after another short time you will see me again.”

17 Some of the followers said to each other, “What does he mean when he says, ‘After a short time you won’t see me. Then after another short time you will see me again’? And what does he mean when he says, ‘Because I am going to the Father’?” 18 They also asked, “What does he mean by ‘a short time’? We don’t understand what he is saying.”

19 Jesus saw that the followers wanted to ask him about this. So he said to them, “Are you asking each other what I meant when I said, ‘After a short time you won’t see me. Then after another short time you will see me again’? 20 The truth is, you will cry and be sad, but the world will be happy. You will be sad, but then your sadness will change to happiness.

21 “When a woman gives birth to a baby, she has pain, because her time has come. But when her baby is born, she forgets the pain. She forgets because she is so happy that a child has been born into the world. 22 It is the same with you. Now you are sad, but I will see you again, and you will be happy. You will have a joy that no one can take away. 23 In that day you will not have to ask me about anything. And I assure you, my Father will give you anything you ask him for in my name. 24 You have never asked for anything in this way before. But ask in my name, and you will receive. And you will have the fullest joy possible.

Victory Over the World
25 “I have told you these things, using words that hide the meaning. But the time will come when I will not use words like that to tell you things. I will speak to you in plain words about the Father. 26 Then you will be able to ask the Father for things in my name. I’m not saying that I will have to ask the Father for you. 27 The Father himself loves you because you have loved me. And he loves you because you have believed that I came from God. 28 I came from the Father into the world. Now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

29 Then his followers said, “You are already speaking plainly to us. You are not using words that hide the meaning. 30 We can see now that you know all things. You answer our questions even before we ask them. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

31 Jesus said, “So now you believe? 32 Listen to me. A time is coming when you will be scattered, each to his own home. In fact, that time is already here. You will leave me, and I will be alone. But I am never really alone, because the Father is with me.

33 “I have told you these things so that you can have peace in me. In this world you will have troubles. But be brave! I have defeated the world!”

Footnotes
John 16:11 their leader Literally, “the ruler of this world,” meaning Satan. See “Satan” in the Word List.

From the context, Jesus is speaking to those who will become the Apostles, except the betrayer. The Holy Spirit is sent to them to bring back to mind what they heard in person what Jesus taught and to teach them only. This is not a promise to all believers in all of time. For that he sent us teachers and pastors.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

1 John 2
Easy-to-Read Version
Jesus Is Our Helper
2 My dear children, I write this letter to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone sins, we have Jesus Christ to help us. He always did what was right, so he is able to defend us before God the Father. 2 Jesus is the way our sins are taken away. And he is the way all people can have their sins taken away too.

3 If we obey what God has told us to do, then we are sure that we know him. 4 If we say we know God but do not obey his commands, we are lying. The truth is not in us. 5 But when we obey God’s teaching, his love is truly working in us. This is how we know that we are living in him. 6 If we say we live in God, we must live the way Jesus lived.

Jesus Told Us to Love Others
7 My dear friends, I am not writing a new command to you. It is the same command you have had since the beginning. This command is the teaching you have already heard. 8 But what I write is also a new command. It is a true one; you can see its truth in Jesus and in yourselves. The darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

9 Someone might say, “I am in the light,” but if they hate any of their brothers or sisters in God’s family, they are still in the darkness. 10 Those who love their brothers and sisters live in the light, and there is nothing in them that will make them do wrong. 11 But whoever hates their brother or sister is in darkness. They live in darkness. They don’t know where they are going, because the darkness has made them blind.

12 I write to you, dear children,
because your sins are forgiven through Christ.
13 I write to you, fathers,
because you know the one who existed from the beginning.
I write to you, young people,
because you have defeated the Evil One.
14 I write to you, children,
because you know the Father.
I write to you, fathers,
because you know the one who existed from the beginning.
I write to you, young people,
because you are strong.
The word of God lives in you,
and you have defeated the Evil One.

15 Don’t love this evil world or the things in it. If you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. 16 This is all there is in the world: wanting to please our sinful selves, wanting the sinful things we see, and being too proud of what we have. But none of these comes from the Father. They come from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and all the things that people want in the world are passing away. But whoever does what God wants will live forever.

Don’t Follow the Enemies of Christ
18 My dear children, the end is near! You have heard that the enemy of Christ is coming. And now many enemies of Christ are already here. So we know that the end is near. 19 These enemies were in our group, but they left us. They did not really belong with us. If they were really part of our group, they would have stayed with us. But they left. This shows that none of them really belonged with us.

20 You have the gift that the Holy One gave you. So you all know the truth. 21 Do you think I am writing this letter because you don’t know the truth? No, I am writing because you do know the truth. And you know that no lie comes from the truth.

22 So who is the liar? It is the one who says Jesus is not the Messiah. Whoever says that is the enemy of Christ—the one who does not believe in the Father or in his Son. 23 Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too.

24 Be sure that you continue to follow the teaching you heard from the beginning. If you do that, you will always be in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what the Son promised us—eternal life.

26 I am writing this letter about those who are trying to lead you into the wrong way. 27 Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. The gift he gave you teaches you about everything. It is a true gift, not a false one. So continue to live in Christ, as his gift taught you.

28 Yes, my dear children, live in him. If we do this, we can be without fear on the day when Christ comes again. We will not need to hide and be ashamed when he comes. 29 You know that Christ always did what was right. So you know that all those who do what is right are God’s children.

Footnotes
1 John 2:20 gift Literally, “anointing.” This might mean the Holy Spirit. Or it might mean teaching or truth as in verse 24. Also in verse 27.
1 John 2:20 Holy One God or Christ.

All believers are given the Holy Spirit, but this letter was written to a house church. The gift was Prophets, Pastors and Teachers too. The fathers of this Church knew Jesus when he was on earth, thus his teachings were handed down throught them too. It from context is not a promiss for all believers of all time too. The false teachers John wrote about came from outside the church to decieve young believers into a form of gnosticism.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

1 John 1
Easy-to-Read Version
1 We want to tell you about the Word[a] that gives life—the one who existed before the world began. This is the one we have heard and have seen with our own eyes. We saw what he did, and our hands touched him. 2 Yes, the one who is life was shown to us. We saw him, and so we can tell others about him. We now tell you about him. He is the eternal life that was with God the Father and was shown to us. 3 We are telling you about what we have seen and heard because we want you to have fellowship with us. The fellowship we share together is with God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. 4 We write these things to you so that you can be full of joy with us.

God Forgives Our Sins
5 We heard the true teaching from God. Now we tell it to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness. 6 So if we say that we share in life with God, but we continue living in darkness, we are liars, who don’t follow the truth. 7 We should live in the light, where God is. If we live in the light, we have fellowship with each other, and the blood sacrifice of Jesus, God’s Son, washes away every sin and makes us clean.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we are fooling ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, God will forgive us. We can trust God to do this. He always does what is right. He will make us clean from all the wrong things we have done. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we are saying that God is a liar and that we don’t accept his true teaching.

The gnostic teachers say that Jesus was only a man, not God in the flesh, they deny the existence of matter, deny that sin is real among others.

MessengerofTruth · Dec 31, 2022

TheLearner said:

I would have to respectfully disagree. I have personally experienced the fulfilment of that very promise numerous times.
Having come from a Christian upbringing where I had a good general knowledge of the scriptures before I was actually converted, the LORD had to bring back to my remembrance those scriptures to teach me the True meaning of the Spiritual, not just the scripture memory-surface level meaning. That is where He led me to begin to connect the dots all through scripture to see the continuity.
Also, 1 John 2:27 States that we have no need for anyone to teach us (see vs.21) because we have received an anointing from the Father that teaches us all things, see also vs.20.
I understand that the teachers are there to teach what is unlearned, like Aquilla and Pricilla instructing Apollos, and pastors to oversee the general well-being of the flock of GOD.
Not that I do not need a teacher but that we are not solely dependent on man (Christian) teachers.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

I John 3:7 Dear children, don’t let anyone lead you into the wrong way.

1 John 4
Easy-to-Read Version
John Warns Against False Teachers
4 My dear friends, many false prophets are in the world now. So don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God. 2 This is how you can recognize God’s Spirit. One spirit says, “I believe that Jesus is the Messiah who came to earth and became a man.” That Spirit is from God. 3 Another spirit refuses to say this about Jesus. That spirit is not from God. This is the spirit of the enemy of Christ. You have heard that the enemy of Christ is coming, and now he is already in the world.

4 My dear children, you belong to God, so you have already defeated these false prophets. That’s because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 And they belong to the world, so what they say is from the world too. And the world listens to what they say. 6 But we are from God. So the people who know God listen to us. But the people who are not from God don’t listen to us. This is how we know the Spirit that is true and the spirit that is false.

13 We know that we live in God and God lives in us. We know this because he gave us his Spirit. 14 We have seen that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world, and this is what we tell people now. 15 Anyone who says, “I believe that Jesus is the Son of God,” is a person who lives in God, and God lives in that person. 16 So we know the love that God has for us, and we trust that love.

20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding. So now we can know the one who is true, and we live in that true God. We are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God, and he is eternal life. 21 So, dear children, keep yourselves away from false gods.

2 John
Easy-to-Read Version
1 Greetings from the Elder.[a]

To the lady chosen by God and to her children.

I truly love all of you. And I am not the only one. All those who know the truth[c] love you in the same way. 2 We love you because of the truth—the truth that lives in us. That truth will be with us forever.

3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us from God the Father and from his Son, Jesus Christ, as we live in truth and love.

4 I was very happy to learn about some of your children. I am happy that they are following the way of truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I tell you: We should all love each other. This is not a new command. It is the same command we had from the beginning. 6 And loving means living the way he commanded us to live. And God’s command is this: that you live a life of love. You heard this command from the beginning.

7 Many false teachers are in the world now. They refuse to say that Jesus Christ came to earth and became a man. Anyone who refuses to accept this fact is a false teacher and the enemy of Christ. 8 Be careful! Don’t lose the reward we[d] have worked for. Be careful so that you will receive all of that reward.

9 Everyone must continue to follow only the teaching about Christ. Whoever changes that teaching does not have God. But whoever continues to follow the teaching about Christ has both the Father and his Son. 10 Don’t accept those who come to you but do not bring this teaching. Don’t invite them into your house. Don’t welcome them in any way. 11 If you do, you are helping them with their evil work.

12 I have much to say to you. But I don’t want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to come visit you. Then we can be together and talk. That will make us very happy. 13 The children of your sister[e] who was chosen by God send you their love.

One must take into account the letters of the Apostle John who was still alive to warn aganist the gnostics trying to corrupt the church in her house. The Bible New Testament did not exist in the format we have today, buy was handed down from the Apostles through those they taught many of them became the early church fathers. In this case historical context matters.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

MessengerofTruth said:

I would have to respectfully disagree. I have personally experienced the fulfilment of that very promise numerous times.
Having come from a Christian upbringing where I had a good general knowledge of the scriptures before I was actually converted, the LORD had to bring back to my remembrance those scriptures to teach me the True meaning of the Spiritual, not just the scripture memory-surface level meaning. That is where He led me to begin to connect the dots all through scripture to see the continuity.
Also, 1 John 2:27 States that we have no need for anyone to teach us (see vs.21) because we have received an anointing from the Father that teaches us all things, see also vs.20.
I understand that the teachers are there to teach what is unlearned, like Aquilla and Pricilla instructing Apollos, and pastors to oversee the general well-being of the flock of GOD.
Not that I do not need a teacher but that we are not solely dependent on man (Christian) teachers.

The man, people were the Apostles, esp John, teachers they taught including the early church fathers. The New Testament did not exist in the format you hold in your hands, brother, friend.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The Scriptures they used were only what we call the O.T. The N.T. did not exist at that time because it was not written down yet.

Dates for NT Books in Canonical Order
Book Date Comments
Matthew AD 60s Eusebius comments that Matthew wrote his Gospel while Peter and Paul were in Rome
Mark AD 40s–60s N/A
Luke AD 55–62 Acts was written just after AD 62; 2 Timothy and Clement both reference Paul being set free and on trial again after the two-year imprisonment in Acts 28
John AD 90s The “P52 Fragment” of John dates to AD 95–125
Acts of the Apostles AD 60s–70s Acts was written just after AD 62; 2 Timothy and Clement both reference Paul being set free and on trial again after the two-year stint in Acts 28
Romans AD 55–59 N. T. Wright, Romans in The New Interpreter’s Bible Commentary, vol. 9 (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2015), 396.
1 Corinthians AD 55 Correlated to Paul’s missionary trips
2 Corinthians AD 56 Correlated to Paul’s missionary trips
Galatians AD 48–49 Possibly AD 49, depends on when the Jerusalem council happened (Acts 15)
Ephesians AD 60–61 During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment (Act 28:16–31)
Philippians AD 57–59 Written from Caesarea
Colossians AD 60–61 During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment (Act 28:16–31)
1 Thessalonians AD 51 During Paul’s second missionary journey while at Corinth
2 Thessalonians AD 51 During Paul’s second missionary journey while at Corinth; six months after 1 Thessalonians was written; Silas and Timothy probably rejoined Paul at Corinth and related further questions that they had about the sequence of eschatological events
1 Timothy AD 63–67 In AD 62 after Paul’s release from two-year imprisonment (Acts 28:16–31)
2 Timothy AD 63–67 After Titus was written, while Paul awaited his trial in Rome (2 Timothy 4:6, 9–18)
Titus AD 63–67 After 1 Timothy was written
Philemon AD 60–61 During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment (Act 28:16–31)
Hebrews AD 40s–60s The Jerusalem temple appears to still be standing due to present tense verbs in Hebrews 7–9
James AD 48
1 Peter AD 63 or earlier Before Peter was martyred in AD 64–66 (2 Peter 1:14)
2 Peter AD 63 or earlier Before Peter was martyred in AD 64–66 (2 Peter 1:14)
1 John AD 70s–90s N/A
2 John AD 70s–90s N/A
3 John AD 70s–90s N/A
Jude AD 50s–60s Eusebius cites Hegesippus, who refers to the grandsons of Jude, who lived during the reign of Emperor Domitian (AD 81–96) in Eusebius Hist. Eccl. 3.19.1—3.20.7. So Jude himself may have already died by this time
Revelation AD 68–95 Depending on whether after Nero’s death or toward the end of Domitian’s reign

https://himpublications.com/blog/new-testament-when-written/

MessengerofTruth · Dec 31, 2022

TheLearner said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you posted? ...just thought I'd share my own experience in light of what I saw stated...

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

Romans 10:14
Easy-to-Read Version
14 But before people can pray to the Lord for help, they must believe in him. And before they can believe in the Lord, they must hear about him. And for anyone to hear about the Lord, someone must tell them.

This is about preaching the Gospel not studying the Bible which I encourage everyone to do within a corporate setting.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

MessengerofTruth said:

I would have to respectfully disagree. I have personally experienced the fulfilment of that very promise numerous times.
Having come from a Christian upbringing where I had a good general knowledge of the scriptures before I was actually converted, the LORD had to bring back to my remembrance those scriptures to teach me the True meaning of the Spiritual, not just the scripture memory-surface level meaning. That is where He led me to begin to connect the dots all through scripture to see the continuity.
Also, 1 John 2:27 States that we have no need for anyone to teach us (see vs.21) because we have received an anointing from the Father that teaches us all things, see also vs.20.
I understand that the teachers are there to teach what is unlearned, like Aquilla and Pricilla instructing Apollos, and pastors to oversee the general well-being of the flock of GOD.
Not that I do not need a teacher but that we are not solely dependent on man (Christian) teachers.

I already posted about 1 John 2 because everyone in that small house church knew everything they needed to know first hand from eye witnesses of Jesus and the Apostles teachings, some of the Apostles like John, teachers Jesus sent.

TheLearner · Dec 31, 2022

ResidentAlien said:

Thru the years like many here, I collects many libraries of books on learning about the Bible and Theology which are now libraries overseas in areas that can not affoard to collect and build them thru a ministry in fowlerville Mi.

swatfrog · Dec 31, 2022

I have read the bible for over 40yrs . Its a KJV , wouldnt change it for another book in the entire world. As far as reading,
outside of the bible I own John Foxes book of Acts and Monuments.
Which ,if youve read the book of martyrs by John Foxe ,most are taken from this, as it is 8 volumes and 6,000 pages. 1st recorded death in it is AD36 and goes forward from there , and you can read within it those who died to bring the word of God into each native tongue, Luther , Tyndale , Wycliffe, Huss and so many more. Prideful ? Hardly , I know of no other book in which people gave their life for , so you can go into a bookstore and buy it off the shelf , who died so yo could have yours?

ResidentAlien · Dec 31, 2022

TheLearner said:

Maybe so but that doesn't change the fact a lot of false teachers distort the gospel just to sell books.

Runningman · Dec 31, 2022

TheLearner said:

Yes, but I don’t think it stops there. There are many things in the modern canonized Bible that can be difficult to understand. Some of Jesus’ parables and some of Paul’s writings come to mind. I believe that’s intentional and provokes those who are sincerely and genuinely seeking God’s wisdom to dig deeper and look harder. Not all is clear so God still needs to provide revelation; thus, the gift of prophecy is still a valid gift.

If what Jesus said is true then, then it’s still true now:

Mark 4
10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables

12so that,
“ ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’

Adstar · Jan 1, 2023

TheLearner said:

Yes some people have been given wisdom and they write about it.. But in the end anything, anybody writes has to be put to the test of comparing it with what is revealed in the Holy Bible... So in the end all we need to know is in the Holy Bible anyway..

Pilgrimshope · Jan 1, 2023

TheLearner said:

imagine if we all only learned from the Bible and then followed those things we learned in the gospel

reneweddaybyday · Jan 1, 2023

When my husband and I had a difference of opinion, we figured he was right, I was right, or we were both wrong ... and we would open up the Bible and study together until we both understood what was truth according to God's Word.

And there was no ego (pride) involved because the one who was in error was blessed to find truth ... and the one who was not in error was blessed that both were walking in alignment with the truth in God's Word.

We enjoyed reading Andrew Murray's books. However, as many in this thread have pointed out ... bring everything to the Word of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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