THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

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The Lord put on my heart to Study the Placement of the THIRD TEMPLE four years ago, EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE. I hope I have been faithful and the explanatory posts have been easy to understand. Because of your comment, I will try to be faithful a little longer, and see what I can find that is appropriate. I thought the when found the picture where I outlined in red the ROUTE mostly through backyards for the BYPASS ROUTE, that would be the last. BUT MAYBE NOT. I will try to find a historian that can link King Solomon's Palace as being in the same location as KING DAVID's Palace.

He was the Official Court Historian during King DAY. Some versions do not call him a Historian, so I overlooked the Possibility. The current author had some things wrong, Like he had the Queen's Place tiny Queens Place, and it was attached to the left side Solomon's Palace, and NO Hall of Justice Palace, so I have been Busy correction those errors. Here is the Drawing:

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The Blue line is the northern CITY WALL, and is the wall of the Ancient City of Jerusalem, and in his drawing he appropriately had a stairs going up to the Private entrance to the TEMPLE just behind KING SOLOMON's Palace. Yep that is correct, as David bought the Threshing Floor from Ornan, the Jebusite, on top of the OPHEL. That Courtyard, or Covered awning seems to be the Most Likely from Josephus's description. Apparently they had Court in the outer Court of the Women, until the HALL OF JUSTICE was finished.

2 Samuel 20:24 (GW)
24 Adoram was in charge of forced labor. Jehoshaphat, son of Ahilud, was the royal historian.

1 Kings 6:1 (GW)
1 Solomon began to build the LORD'S temple 480 years after Israel left Egypt. He began building in the month of Ziv (the second month) of the fourth year of his reign over Israel.


2 Chronicles 3:1 (GW)
1 Solomon began to build the LORD'S temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared to his father David. There David had prepared the site on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.


So this is just a few month before David Coronated Solomon as King. So Jehoshaphat would have been in Office at that time.

Therefore I will try to find a quote from Jehoshaphat, hopefully quoting the Location on the OPHEL for sure.
 

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After all of your research of the true location of the Temple, do you believe in your heart of hearts that the Sanhedrin will agree with your findings? I believe they are dead set on the Temple Mount. What do you think?

No, I do not trust the Sanhedrin to even read my posts. But I will try anyhow. The way it seems now, is they will be confused and choose the WRONG LOCATION. But I do TRUST that it will be the WAY the LORD Wants It. The Third Temple, is not the LORD'S TEMPLE. HE WILL PUT IT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, when He Builds the FOURTH TEMPLE. With the Third Temple that Will be very soon after it is built, the Temple that the Antichrist will take over, I am not sure why he would want it to be in the Correct Location. Christ will build the Fourth Personally. It is the Millennial Temple.
 

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No, I do not trust the Sanhedrin to even read my posts. But I will try anyhow. The way it seems now, is they will be confused and choose the WRONG LOCATION. But I do TRUST that it will be the WAY the LORD Wants It. The Third Temple, is not the LORD'S TEMPLE. HE WILL PUT IT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, when He Builds the FOURTH TEMPLE. With the Third Temple that Will be very soon after it is built, the Temple that the Antichrist will take over, I am not sure why he would want it to be in the Correct Location. Christ will build the Fourth Personally. It is the Millennial Temple.
Thank you kindly for your wonderful wotk and posts.
 

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It is going to be a difficult subject to Research, - Where Is the genuine location of the JEWISH TEMPLE:

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Here pilgrims were purified on their way to the Temple. A mikvah from Second Temple days at the foot of the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount (courtesy of Dr. Eilat Mazar. All rights reserved to Dr. Eilat Mazar)
In addition to all these are the dozens of ancient mikvahs from Second Temple days that were discovered at the foot of the southern wall of the Temple Mount. They, too, are part of the array of evidence and testimonies about the existence of the Temple at the site. The historical evidence indicates that pilgrims purified themselves in these mikvahs before entering the sacred space of the Temple on the Mount.

Despite all this, today, numerous Palestinians and Muslims claim that there is no archaeological find that confirms the existence of the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount and that on the Mount itself, no remnants of the Temple have been found. They are right and wrong: while, indeed, no clearly identifiable remnant from the Temple itself has been preserved, the wealth of items testifying to the fact of its existence on the Mount — only a few of which were reviewed here — indicate that many Palestinians and Muslims are not speaking the truth. The lack of relics from the Temple itself stems from the fact that the Muslims have never allowed an organized archaeological excavation on the Mount. For many years, they have been trying to have it both ways: both forbidding excavations and asserting that no relics exist.

Yet the numerous incidental finds from the different parts of the Mount – including from the Sifting Project, which is the closest thing to an archaeological dig there – along with the many archaeological finds from around the walls and foundations of the Mount are enough to make clear that such claims are baseless. The attempts by Palestinian leaders like Yasser Arafat or Saeb Erekat to cast doubt on the Temple’s existence on the Mount or to distance it from that location by claiming that there was indeed a Temple, but in Nablus or Yemen, stem from one sole motive: their desire to expunge from the Temple Mount a competing Jewish historical narrative and a competing historical and religious awareness, since these could becloud their own historical and religious narrative on the Mount.

That is also why, in recent years, the Palestinians have not only been rewriting Jewish history but their own Muslim history as well.
https://jcpa.org/ancient-muslim-texts-confirm-the-jewish-temple-in-jerusalem/ :End Quote.

That the Palestinians have been Tampering with the Evidence has made the search for the True LOCATION of the THIRD TEMPLE, quite difficult.

On my next post, I Hope to find a Map of where all this Mikvah's were located. If they were in a Big Circle, then the center of that circle, should be the TEMPLE. If they are in a straight line, the speculation continues.
 

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Most of these are found beneath the Mount’s southern wall, an area jam-packed with millennia-old antiquities open to any visitor entering Jerusalem’s unique Archaeological Park-Davidson Center. And no wonder there were so many, says Gura Berger, spokesperson for the East Jerusalem Development Company. At any one time there could be thousands of pilgrims in need of ritual cleansing.
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The Bible speaks of purifying oneself in water many times. Yet, says Berger, the ritual bath as we know it today wasn’t invented until the Second Temple era, when priests developed all kinds of rules that made it possible to carry out the biblical commandments.

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Now I can see the Mikvahs:



Even in this picture, but also in the next. The plants to the right of the far staircase, obscure viewing most of them in this picture.

Yes I stared at this picture for a very long time. See, the TRIPLE GATE, all walled up under the Pink Arrows.

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When People came out of the came out of the mikvahs, they went to Herod's North Gate to the Temple or the Tadi Gate, both are on the North Side of the TEMPLE. So Mikvahs mostly were on the Upper OPHEL, and the TEMPLE was on the south part of the OPHEL.


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How come No One ever mentions going through the Three Gates to Get to the TEMPLE ? ? ?

I actually BELIEVE they Turned LEFT when they got to the Staircase.

I imagine that is how you get to the Cohort Duty Station, were someone REPORTED what was about to happen to PAUL, (windows on the far right). Paul got jumped in the TEMPLE, which was just across the courtyard.

Now, Let me give you the reference to where Paul almost got Stoned to death:

Acts 21:29-40 (ESV)
29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple.
30 Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut.
31 And as they were seeking to kill him, word came to the tribune of the cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion.
32 He at once took soldiers and centurions and
ran down to them. And when they saw the tribune and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.
{Which way do you run, to get from the so-called TEMPLE MOUNT to the TEMPLE MOUNT on the south end of the OPHEL.}

33 Then the tribune came up and arrested him and ordered him to be bound with two chains. He inquired who he was and what he had done.
34 Some in the crowd were shouting one thing, some another. And as he could not learn the facts because of the uproar, he ordered him to be brought into the barracks.
35 And when he came to the steps, he was actually carried by the soldiers because of the violence of the crowd,
36 for the mob of the people followed, crying out, “Away with him!”
37 As Paul was about to be brought into the barracks, he said to the tribune, “May I say something to you?” And he said, “Do you know Greek?
38 Are you not the Egyptian, then, who recently stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?”
39 Paul replied, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no obscure city. I beg you, permit me to speak to the people.”
40 And when he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the steps, motioned with his hand to the people. And when there was a great hush, he addressed them in the Hebrew language, saying:


So there USED TO BE A ROOF on the section between the two staircases. Looked something like this:

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Higher Hill belong to Fortress Antonia, said Josephus the Historian, Not to the Temple.

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First of all, I want to you know that Josephus became supposedly a Christian.

The reason I worded that line that Way is he may not be theologically Correct, but he seems to be Historically Correct.

I even found a article, that suggest, that Joseph Smith's own Mother says that Flavius Josephus wrote part of the Book of Mormon, and her son just copied it. So Josephus was not a Theologian, but he was an accomplished Historian.

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Higher Hill belong to Fortress Antonia, said Josephus the Historian, Not to the Temple.

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First of all, I want to you know that Josephus became supposedly a Christian.

The reason I worded that line that Way is he may not be theologically Correct, but he seems to be Historically Correct.

I even found a article, that suggest, that Joseph Smith's own Mother says that Flavius Josephus wrote part of the Book of Mormon, and her son just copied it. So Josephus was not a Theologian, but he was an accomplished Historian.

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Regarding Flavius Josephus - the family from which he was derived was not an ignoble one.
 

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Regarding Flavius Josephus - the family from which he was derived was not an ignoble one.

That will teach me not to try to work on a post about 2:00 A.M. I fell asleep about 2:20, and have no idea what that quoted 230065 was all about. Yes I read in his History, that he has become a Christian, but no evidence that he had become Born Again. I will try to find that statement. Most People think that just sitting in a Church Pew, makes you a Christian. I leaned that the Hard way when I genuinely Became Born Again two months before I turned 29, and I thought I was a Christian all the years ahead of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I found what I was a pretend Christian. Nothing in me Was real Cristian, and everything in me was a REAL CHRISTAIN and that born again was a bonified CHRISTIAN. However I became a genuine Christian the Night of my Third Suicide. I Hit bottom real has before I learned to look up.
 

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That will teach me not to try to work on a post about 2:00 A.M. I fell asleep about 2:20, and have no idea what that quoted 230065 was all about. Yes I read in his History, that he has become a Christian, but no evidence that he had become Born Again. I will try to find that statement. Most People think that just sitting in a Church Pew, makes you a Christian. I leaned that the Hard way when I genuinely Became Born Again two months before I turned 29, and I thought I was a Christian all the years ahead of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I found what I was a pretend Christian. Nothing in me Was real Cristian, and everything in me was a REAL CHRISTAIN and that born again was a bonified CHRISTIAN. However I became a genuine Christian the Night of my Third Suicide. I Hit bottom real hard before I learned to look up. I was saved last week of 1977.
 

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Some of the questions I hope to answer in the rest of this study is:

What at the time of Christ was a Historian to deliberately falsify info in a history book?

What there rules a HISTORIAN MUST FOLLOW TO HAVE A HISTORY BOOK PUBLISHED?
 

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That will teach me not to try to work on a post about 2:00 A.M. I fell asleep about 2:20, and have no idea what that quoted 230065 was all about. Yes I read in his History, that he has become a Christian, but no evidence that he had become Born Again. I will try to find that statement. Most People think that just sitting in a Church Pew, makes you a Christian. I leaned that the Hard way when I genuinely Became Born Again two months before I turned 29, and I thought I was a Christian all the years ahead of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I found what I was a pretend Christian. Nothing in me Was real Cristian, and everything in me was a REAL CHRISTAIN and that born again was a bonified CHRISTIAN. However I became a genuine Christian the Night of my Third Suicide. I Hit bottom real has before I learned to look up.
You have definitely traveled through a rough patch of road. I know very little about Flavius Josephus but he certainly was a prolific writer and historian. Based on what little I have read I would say that he certainly acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord. Interesting fellow, was always complaining about his critics.
 

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Some of the questions I hope to answer in the rest of this study is:What at the time of Christ was a Historian to deliberately falsify info in a history book?

What there rules a HISTORIAN MUST FOLLOW TO HAVE A HISTORY BOOK PUBLISHED?
Any historian in the first century after Jesus was born was most certainly truthful and conscientious, especially since the perspective offered was offensive to the Jewish hierarchy and the Roman occupation. Who would risk death and dishonor to falsify their historical documentation? I would say that the rules to be followed would pertain to accuracy as any documentation was critiqued by scholars and those of first hand knowledge of the event(s) presented as historical fact.
 

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Quoted from the history books of Flavius Josephus

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“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.” (Translation from Loeb Classical Library, italics mine)​
The disputed parts of this passage I have highlighted and are in italics.

The problem is that a Jewish person would never say some of those things about Jesus. As historian Paul Maier observes, “no Jew could have claimed Jesus as the Messiah who rose from the dead without having converted to Christianity.” In addition, the early Church father Origen believed that Josephus was never converted.
https://www.jonathanmorrow.org/what-did-the-jewish-historian-josephus-really-say-about-jesus/ :END QUOTE.

That Depends on What he meant by Messiah.

If he is wearing that same hat, he should be easy to pick out in the Rapture Crowd.
 

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LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND.

2 Chronicles 27:3 (HCSB)
3 Jotham built the Upper Gate of the LORD’s temple, and he built extensively on the wall of Ophel.

2 Chronicles 27:3 (KJV)
3 He built the high gate of the house of the LORD, and on the wall of Ophel he built much.

2 Chronicles 27:3 (KJV)
3 He built the high gate of the house of the LORD, and on the wall of Ophel he built much.

2 Chronicles 27:3 (NJB)
3 It was he who built the Upper Gate of the Temple of Yahweh and carried out considerable work on the wall of the Ophel.

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As far as I am concerned, I am convinced that is where the GOD's Holy Temple belong's. The Red line on the Bottom, the part of the Part of the Ancient Jerusalem, the north WALL to the CITY of Jerusalem AND the Temple was just north of that. It is that Upper Gate in the back do or the Temple. He also known as the Ophel Wall and lots of those workers working for Jotham. Apparantly a lot of people came in that way as it way, notice 3 gates on near that corner. YES, lot of Jews worked on those Southern ruins in the City of David, which was the nickname, and it was ancient Jerusalem.

Most Christian's do not know that a Lot of ancient Jerusalem was REBUILT on the original Site now known as the City of David.


Also OLD CITY JERUSALEM was actually was mostly constructed by workers working for these guys in Ottoman's Empire. The men that ruled the Empire were known as Bad guys. So I will not mention their Names or show their pictures. Mankind has had some REAL evil dictators. And they ruled from 1300 to 1924. Oh MY! The Jews did not return to Israel until 1212 A.D. from exile for over a 1000 years. South of what they thought Jerusalem, was just a wooded Hilltop, and Farmland, so it is obvious they FORGOT where the TEMPLE WAS and Mount ZION.
 

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So, KING DAVID's dynanastly and the KINGS that followed him, ruled of over the Jew"s. So The Jews were pretty munch in in from 70 A.D from until 1212 A.D., until the Sanhedrin came Back to Jerusalem. During that time I will give you a Brief History of the JEWSISH People.

A religious literature tells the story of Israelites going back at least as far as c. 1500 BCE. Then they were Exiled or Dispursed (Diaspora) So they went into Exile starting with the began with the Assyrian captivity and continued on a much larger scale with the Babylonian captivity. So it went from Bad to Worse. Then late in 586 BCE by the Neo-Babylonian Empire under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II. They when they we back to Jerusalem with the Help of Nebuchadnezzar, the rebuilt Jerusalem.

Then came the Romans, which turned out to be even WORSE. Now when the got Diasporia AFTER 70 A.D., ordered the Roman Army to tare loose ever BRICK and every STONE as JESUS REPORTED. And Every bricks and Stone floor will be put to use. In other words they did not want any Landmark left for them to get their barring's from. Soldiers KNEW IT WAS AN AUTOMATIC Death penalty to disobey the order. There were lots of Road Building Projects, that would welcome the surplus of bricks and stone works.

Yes, I Promised to reported a Brief History.


Matthew 24:2 (NASB)
2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."

JESUS does not exaggerate.


Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “Micah the Moreshite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah and said to all the people of Judah, This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’
 

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So, KING DAVID's dynanastly and the KINGS that followed him, ruled of over the Jew"s. So The Jews were pretty munch in in from 70 A.D from until 1212 A.D., until the Sanhedrin came Back to Jerusalem. During that time I will give you a Brief History of the JEWSISH People.

A religious literature tells the story of Israelites going back at least as far as c. 1500 BCE. Then they were Exiled or Dispursed (Diaspora) So they went into Exile starting with the began with the Assyrian captivity and continued on a much larger scale with the Babylonian captivity. So it went from Bad to Worse. Then late in 586 BCE by the Neo-Babylonian Empire under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II. They when they we back to Jerusalem with the Help of Nebuchadnezzar, the rebuilt Jerusalem.

Then came the Romans, which turned out to be even WORSE. Now when the got Diasporia AFTER 70 A.D., ordered the Roman Army to tare loose ever BRICK and every STONE as JESUS REPORTED. And Every bricks and Stone floor will be put to use. In other words they did not want any Landmark left for them to get their barring's from. Soldiers KNEW IT WAS AN AUTOMATIC Death penalty to disobey the order. There were lots of Road Building Projects, that would welcome the surplus of bricks and stone works.

Yes, I Promised to reported a Brief History.


Matthew 24:2 (NASB)
2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."

JESUS does not exaggerate.


Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “Micah the Moreshite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah and said to all the people of Judah, This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’
 

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Tower of Antonia was located directly below the "A"




It's purpose was to look directly into the TEMPLE Courtyards to make sure there was know uprising going on down there AND to watch out for Enemy soldiers planning a sneak attack. Eastern GATE, was supposed to be in the Middle. Because Josephus frequently enter that Gate, and said all the gates were open during Feast days. and standing in that Gate, he could see the VEIL in the Holy of Holies. The right doorway that led to the Stables under the Tower of Antonia.


 

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So, a person with that kind of accuracy, has to have Christ working in him, so GOD was working with him.