There are only 2 Persons in the Israelite Godhead, not 3 Persons

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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
the Father is speaking, i dont get your point? what does this have to do with the Almighty being called "He" and not "they"?
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The Father?

So the father and his spirit sent the father? Sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever.

And the father is the redeemer? I thought Jesus was (even revelations states the lamb is the one who opens the seals not the father) No one has seen the father, even Jesus said this.. so again, how can it be the father?

You claim he is a HE, Not the bible. I am tryign to prove that to you by USING the BIBLE
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The Father?

So the father and his spirit sent the father? Sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever.

And the father is the redeemer? I thought Jesus was (even revelations states the lamb is the one who opens the seals not the father) No one has seen the father, even Jesus said this.. so again, how can it be the father?

You claim he is a HE, Not the bible. I am tryign to prove that to you by USING the BIBLE
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ok now we are getting somewhere. so lets prove this with the bible, find me a bible passage where Jesus, Moses or anyone calls the Most High "they".
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
ok now we are getting somewhere. so lets prove this with the bible, find me a bible passage where Jesus, Moses or anyone calls the Most High "they".
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I just showed you three persons of the godhead So yeah we are getting somewhere, Because the GOD of Isreal was JESUS (which I have proved) And Jesus said HE WAS SENT from the FATHER and HIS SPIRIT. And you refuse to see it.

You can not show someone something who refuses to see.

The I Am who i Am in the bush, it was jesus, He said so himself when he spoke to the pharisees (Before Abraham was, Literally (I Am who I Am) this is why the pharisees picked up stones to stone him, He claimed to be there God! YHWH is one God (depending on who is being spoken of)
Elohime (God created the heavens and earth) Is plural..
You can not prove God is one and only one, by using passages which direct attention to one person, while denying the passages which prove that God, being 1. is three.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I just showed you three persons of the godhead So yeah we are getting somewhere, Because the GOD of Isreal was JESUS (which I have proved) And Jesus said HE WAS SENT from the FATHER and HIS SPIRIT. And you refuse to see it.

You can not show someone something who refuses to see.

The I Am who i Am in the bush, it was jesus, He said so himself when he spoke to the pharisees (Before Abraham was, Literally (I Am who I Am) this is why the pharisees picked up stones to stone him, He claimed to be there God! YHWH is one God (depending on who is being spoken of)
Elohime (God created the heavens and earth) Is plural..
You can not prove God is one and only one, by using passages which direct attention to one person, while denying the passages which prove that God, being 1. is three.
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and where is the Most High called "they" ? there is no "they" in the passage you provided.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
and where is the Most High called "they" ? there is no "they" in the passage you provided.
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There is no they?

I have been sent by the FATHER and HIS SPIRIT.

Last I read. They = more than 1 thus by mathematical equation. 3 is more than 1. Meaning 3 is they

It is obvious you have no dsire to honeslty discuss this issue. So i willl move on, until and unless you wish to honestly discuss what the redeemer said in Is 48.

Until then I will continue to watch while you are on borrowed time.
 
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jaybird88

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eternally-gratefull said:
There is no they?

I have been sent by the FATHER and HIS SPIRIT.

Last I read. They = more than 1 thus by mathematical equation. 3 is more than 1. Meaning 3 is they

It is obvious you have no dsire to honeslty discuss this issue. So i willl move on, until and unless you wish to honestly discuss what the redeemer said in Is 48.

Until then I will continue to watch while you are on borrowed time.
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your adding an assumption. the assumption being the Father and Spirit are two independent being that are part of a multiple being godhead. its a good argument however if this was true then there would have to be at least one single passage confirming this, a passage where Jesus or Moses calls the Most High "they". this would validate your point, but there is no such passage. the Most High is always refereed to as "He".
borrowed time?? so now im getting threatened? maybe i should be burned alive for giving my thoughts, would that make you happy?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
your adding an assumption. the assumption being the Father and Spirit are two independent being that are part of a multiple being godhead. its a good argument however if this was true then there would have to be at least one single passage confirming this, a passage where Jesus or Moses calls the Most High "they". this would validate your point, but there is no such passage. the Most High is always refereed to as "He".
borrowed time?? so now im getting threatened? maybe i should be burned alive for giving my thoughts, would that make you happy?
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Nice try but no cigar

Simple word order and math proves the spirit is not the father and the father is not ths spirit. And that Jesus was sent by Both of them. (But you want me to ignore this?)

You have no argument, and no I do not have to do what you say, All I have to do is prove that there are three memebers of the godhead. Which I have done.

Good day.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nice try but no cigar

Simple word order and math proves the spirit is not the father and the father is not ths spirit. And that Jesus was sent by Both of them. (But you want me to ignore this?)

You have no argument, and no I do not have to do what you say, All I have to do is prove that there are three memebers of the godhead. Which I have done.

Good day.
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why is there no scripture that calls the Most High "they"?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
why is there no scripture that calls the Most High "they"?
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Good day.. If your not going to duscuss scripture qnd what it says, I have nothing to say to you.

I already explained your question
 
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jaybird88

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eternally-gratefull said:
Good day.. If your not going to duscuss scripture qnd what it says, I have nothing to say to you.

I already explained your question
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with respect i never asked for an explanation of my question, i asked for a scripture backing up your opinion, if the Most High is a "they" show me a scripture with the Most High is called a "they".

i have no shame in admitting "Father and Spirit" sound like two and i cant explain it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jaybird88 said:
with respect i never asked for an explanation of my question, i asked for a scripture backing up your opinion, if the Most High is a "they" show me a scripture with the Most High is called a "they".

i have no shame in admitting "Father and Spirit" sound like two and i cant explain it.
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With respect. All I have to do is prove there is three members of the godhead. I have done that.

You asked for scripture. I gave it.

This is my last time, Good day;. And while your at it, I would read the rules of this chat room, and what they say about certain doctrines. Because you are in volation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
With respect. All I have to do is prove there is three members of the godhead. I have done that.

You asked for scripture. I gave it.

This is my last time, Good day;. And while your at it, I would read the rules of this chat room, and what they say about certain doctrines. Because you are in volation.
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that may prove it to you. it would never prove it to me or anyone that wants to "test all things" against scripture. sorry but if someone tells me the Most High is a "they" yet they can not provide one single scripture passage saying that, it would make me question the teaching.
here is a good example:

John 4
23But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

why does Jesus refer to the Most High as "Him" and not "they" shouldnt Jesus be saying "them"?
and there are many many many examples of this, word for word, more than one hundred, and yet not one single instance of the Most High refereed to as "they".
to me this is something to take in to consideration, not something i would simply ignore.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Lol..

I love it when people try to back what they are saying with the strawman test all things.

Then does not test all things..

But hey, thanks for a nice laugh.. I pray when that person sees God he is humbled when he realises the truth. And at the least has been adopted inspite of this issue,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol..

I love it when people try to back what they are saying with the strawman test all things.

Then does not test all things..

But hey, thanks for a nice laugh.. I pray when that person sees God he is humbled when he realises the truth. And at the least has been adopted inspite of this issue,
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you mean like being told the Most High is a they
researching scripture
and finding not one example of this?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jaybird is now on ignore. I do not play kids games. If he wishes to play games, He is free to do it. But anyone who buys into his argument without taking the whole coucil of God into afffect and then claims they have studied are fooling no one but themselves
 
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jaybird88

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GraceAndTruth said:
The doctrine of the Trinity is held historically by orthodox Christianity.
“The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.

Don't be tossing out big words you don't understand.
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historically people were told to believe the doctrine or they could be burned alive. and historically many thousands of people were in fact burned alive because they did not accept it.

how many times did Jesus and the 12 kill other people to force people to believe their teachings?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nice try but no cigar

Simple word order and math proves the spirit is not the father and the father is not ths spirit. And that Jesus was sent by Both of them. (But you want me to ignore this?)

You have no argument, and no I do not have to do what you say, All I have to do is prove that there are three memebers of the godhead. Which I have done.

Good day.
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Just how do you separate the Holy Spirit from our heavenly Father. The Father is the Holy Spirit and so is Jesus the Holy Spirit. You can't separate them. That is what makes them one, a common Spirit that can be shared with all believers. This is what gets to me. Meager humans trying to explain an infinite God on their limited understanding. :cool:
 
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jaybird88 said:
historically people were told to believe the doctrine or they could be burned alive. and historically many thousands of people were in fact burned alive because they did not accept it.

how many times did Jesus and the 12 kill other people to force people to believe their teachings?
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You are WAY out on a limb.
Let me get my saw............
 
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jaybird88 said:
how many times did Jesus and the 12 kill other people to force people to believe their teachings?
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Read the book of Revelation. When Jesus comes back, He's going to slaughter His enemies.
 
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YehovaYeshua said:
I don't believe in the Trinity, the concept that there are THREE Persons in the Israelite Godhead.

I only believe that there are TWO Persons in the Israelite Godhead.

There is God the Father of the Old Testament and there is God the Son.
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The Holy Spirit is God, and the third person of the Godhead. He is the God of the New, and the Old Testament, because the Bible says God is the same yesterday, today, and forever - He does not change.

In Acts 13:2 the Holy Spirit actually speaks and refers to Himself as "me" and "I".

In John 16:13 the Holy Spirit is again called "He". A being that hears and speaks.

In Romans 8:26 the Holy Spirit intercedes for us in our prayers and helps believers to pray what they ought.

In John 14:16-17 the Holy Spirit is referred to as "Him" and the one who lives in believers.

In Acts 10:19 the Holy Spirit talks again, and tells Peter of the men He has sent.

The Holy Spirit can be lied to (Acts 5:3).

So, sorry. But that was an epic fail on your part.
 
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