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I don't mean to butt in. If I am being obtrusive, let me know. I find this fascinating. The Love(s) of God.
I believe He loves them, including satan and the fallen angels. He loved us even as unsaved/ungodly/enemies, we were separated from Him. God is love, so He loves based upon who and what He is. It is based upon His character and nature. It is not dependent on who we are or what we do....impersonal,unconditional love.Agape love.
And they will forever be separated from that love. I know it's conjecture, but I believe one aspect of hell is KNOWING this fact.(He loves me and I rejected it.)
With the believer, He has personal love for us. A friendship, a intimate love....Christ in us. Philia love.
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — agape love — more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you — phileo love–.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — agape love — ?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you — phileo love –.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — phileo love –?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me? — phileo love –” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you — phileo love –.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. (John 21.15–17)
I believe He loves them, including satan and the fallen angels. He loved us even as unsaved/ungodly/enemies, we were separated from Him. God is love, so He loves based upon who and what He is. It is based upon His character and nature. It is not dependent on who we are or what we do....impersonal,unconditional love.Agape love.
And they will forever be separated from that love. I know it's conjecture, but I believe one aspect of hell is KNOWING this fact.(He loves me and I rejected it.)
With the believer, He has personal love for us. A friendship, a intimate love....Christ in us. Philia love.
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — agape love — more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you — phileo love–.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — agape love — ?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you — phileo love –.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me — phileo love –?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me? — phileo love –” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you — phileo love –.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. (John 21.15–17)
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When we read the details the Bible gives us in how Jesus created Satan. It's obvious Jesus loved what He did even knowing how it would turn out. Reminds me of Judas. God gives them ample amounts of chances even knowing how they would turn out. But like Nehemiah posted a few pages back. Judas made his own choices. Satan made his own choices. People in hell made their own choices. We who follow Jesus made our own choices. Best decision I have ever and will ever make.
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Perhaps sins, where there is no repentance and no confession, brings about a loss of joy and close fellowship with our Father? In Psalm 52:12, David, when he had sinned, cried out to God, “Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation.” David wasn’t concerned that he lost his salvation; he wanted to be restored and he knew that only God could do this. David pleads, “Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.”
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I understand your stance buddy, and it's a good one 👍
All I will say in my stance is you have to put yourself in the place the time this Hebrews verse was spoken. The person who spoke hebrews at the time was frustrated because theese Jews where going back to animal sacrifice instead of repenting the new way.
This is the context the verse was spoken in. And I feal and Sense the person who spoke this at the time was frustrated and said this is impossible to get theese Jews to abandon animal sacrifice and impossible to get them to repent normally, it doesn't mean what people think it does
All I will say in my stance is you have to put yourself in the place the time this Hebrews verse was spoken. The person who spoke hebrews at the time was frustrated because theese Jews where going back to animal sacrifice instead of repenting the new way.
This is the context the verse was spoken in. And I feal and Sense the person who spoke this at the time was frustrated and said this is impossible to get theese Jews to abandon animal sacrifice and impossible to get them to repent normally, it doesn't mean what people think it does
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I can agree with that. Many will (not suggest you are) will address the OSAS vs losing one's salvation at the expense of the whole word of God.
The context of sin in the Bible is all have sinned and fallen short. All.
If you confess it or not. Salvation is Jesus paying the price for the one who is guilty of sin( all) AND has placed their faith in the work of Jesus on the Cross, death, and resurrection to be saved.
The context of sin in the Bible is all have sinned and fallen short. All.
If you confess it or not. Salvation is Jesus paying the price for the one who is guilty of sin( all) AND has placed their faith in the work of Jesus on the Cross, death, and resurrection to be saved.
I want to be clear and respectful. I do not think you were or are corrupting the word of God.
That would be a very serious thing to say. I do disagree and have been wrong many times and say often I could be wrong even if I think I am not. You will not hear many say that; however, it is solely up to the individual to study and see for themselves.
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Zeal is good And so is passion.
That would be a very serious thing to say. I do disagree and have been wrong many times and say often I could be wrong even if I think I am not. You will not hear many say that; however, it is solely up to the individual to study and see for themselves.
.Zeal is good
And so is passion.-
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I agree with this. A true believer will never be separated from the love of God in Christ Jesus. When we are walking in the Spirit, we enjoy the great blessing of God's presence and the attendant peace and joy. When we sin we lose our fellowship and communion with God and the joy and peace that comes with abiding in Him. But we do not lose our relationship.
I enjoyed the verses you shared. But David didn't come to this point by himself. Because David kept silent for so long, God took the initiative and sent Nathan to uncover his sins. God does the same with us. He begins to convict us with promptings of the Spirit. If we ignore these promptings, God will chasten us, even as he did David.
God is committed to His people. When He adopts us into His family, we are His.
I enjoyed the verses you shared. But David didn't come to this point by himself. Because David kept silent for so long, God took the initiative and sent Nathan to uncover his sins. God does the same with us. He begins to convict us with promptings of the Spirit. If we ignore these promptings, God will chasten us, even as he did David.
God is committed to His people. When He adopts us into His family, we are His.
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I want to be clear and respectful. I do not think you were or are corrupting the word of God.
That would be a very serious thing to say. I do disagree and have been wrong many times and say often I could be wrong even if I think I am not. You will not hear many say that; however, it is solely up to the individual to study and see for themselves..
Zeal is good And so is passion.
That would be a very serious thing to say. I do disagree and have been wrong many times and say often I could be wrong even if I think I am not. You will not hear many say that; however, it is solely up to the individual to study and see for themselves.
.Zeal is good
And so is passion.