The Trinity...my take.
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Philippians 2
5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 Who, existing in the form of YAH, didn’t consider equality with YAH a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a Servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore YAH also highly exalted Him, and gave to Him the Name which is above every name, 10 that at the Name of Yeshua every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Yeshua the Messiah is Adonai, to the glory of YAH the Father.
5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 Who, existing in the form of YAH, didn’t consider equality with YAH a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a Servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore YAH also highly exalted Him, and gave to Him the Name which is above every name, 10 that at the Name of Yeshua every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Yeshua the Messiah is Adonai, to the glory of YAH the Father.
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Hebrews 10
5 Therefore when He(the Son) comes into the world, He says,
“You(the Father) didn’t desire sacrifice and offering,
but You prepared a body for Me.
6 You had no pleasure in whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
to do Your will, O YAH.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You didn’t desire, neither had pleasure in them” (those which are offered according to the Torah), 9 then He has said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first, that He may establish the second, 10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah once for all.
5 Therefore when He(the Son) comes into the world, He says,
“You(the Father) didn’t desire sacrifice and offering,
but You prepared a body for Me.
6 You had no pleasure in whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
to do Your will, O YAH.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You didn’t desire, neither had pleasure in them” (those which are offered according to the Torah), 9 then He has said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first, that He may establish the second, 10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah once for all.
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All that is covered properly in the text.
As i said it is the last thing i have to say on the matter.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
As i said it is the last thing i have to say on the matter.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
It is not the last thing that I have to say on the matter.
You ought to believe in, not only what is spoken and written in the creeds; but what is spoken and written in holy scripture.
Therefore, since the Father is the Lord (Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18);
in saying that you believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
you are saying that you believe that Jesus is the Father (if you believe the scriptures above referenced);
because Jesus and the Father are the same Lord; being one Lord (Ephesians 4:5).
You ought to believe in, not only what is spoken and written in the creeds; but what is spoken and written in holy scripture.
Therefore, since the Father is the Lord (Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18);
in saying that you believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
you are saying that you believe that Jesus is the Father (if you believe the scriptures above referenced);
because Jesus and the Father are the same Lord; being one Lord (Ephesians 4:5).
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Romans 3
21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of YAH has been revealed, being testified by the Torah and the Prophets; 22 even the righteousness of YAH through faith in Yeshua the Messiah to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of YAH; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua, 25 Whom YAH SENT to be an atoning Sacrifice through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of His righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in YAH’s forbearance; 26 to demonstrate His righteousness at this present time, that He might himself be just and the Justifier of him who has faith in Yeshua.
21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of YAH has been revealed, being testified by the Torah and the Prophets; 22 even the righteousness of YAH through faith in Yeshua the Messiah to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of YAH; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua, 25 Whom YAH SENT to be an atoning Sacrifice through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of His righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in YAH’s forbearance; 26 to demonstrate His righteousness at this present time, that He might himself be just and the Justifier of him who has faith in Yeshua.
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Romans 8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YAH did, SENDING His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YAH did, SENDING His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
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Romans 8
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of YAH dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Messiah, he is not His. 10 If Messiah is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him Who raised up Yeshua from the dead dwells in you, He who raised up Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of YAH dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Messiah, he is not His. 10 If Messiah is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him Who raised up Yeshua from the dead dwells in you, He who raised up Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
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Romans 8
31 What then shall we say about these things? If YAH is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who didn’t spare His Own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how would He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33 Who could bring a charge against YAH’s chosen ones? It is YAH who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Messiah Who died, yes rather, Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of YAH, Who also makes intercession for us.
31 What then shall we say about these things? If YAH is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who didn’t spare His Own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how would He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33 Who could bring a charge against YAH’s chosen ones? It is YAH who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Messiah Who died, yes rather, Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of YAH, Who also makes intercession for us.
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Romans 9:1-5
1 I tell the truth in Messiah. I am not lying, my conscience testifying with me in the Holy Spirit 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing pain in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Messiah for my brothers’ sake, my relatives according to the flesh 4 who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Messiah as concerning the flesh, Who is over all, YAH, blessed forever. Amen.
1 I tell the truth in Messiah. I am not lying, my conscience testifying with me in the Holy Spirit 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing pain in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Messiah for my brothers’ sake, my relatives according to the flesh 4 who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Messiah as concerning the flesh, Who is over all, YAH, blessed forever. Amen.
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Romans 10:1-4
1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and my prayer to YAH is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for YAH, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of YAH’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn’t subject themselves to the righteousness of YAH. 4 For Messiah is the fulfillment† of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and my prayer to YAH is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for YAH, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of YAH’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn’t subject themselves to the righteousness of YAH. 4 For Messiah is the fulfillment† of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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Romans 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart;” that is, the word of faith which we proclaim: 9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Yeshua is Adonai and believe in your heart that YAH raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.”*
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart;” that is, the word of faith which we proclaim: 9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Yeshua is Adonai and believe in your heart that YAH raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.”*
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Romans 14
24 Now to Him Who is able to establish you according to my Good News and the proclaiming of Yeshua the Messiah, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret through long ages, 25 but now is revealed, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the Eternal YAH, is made known for obedience of faith to all the nations; 26 to the only wise YAH, through Yeshua the Messiah, to Whom be the glory forever! Amen.
24 Now to Him Who is able to establish you according to my Good News and the proclaiming of Yeshua the Messiah, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret through long ages, 25 but now is revealed, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the Eternal YAH, is made known for obedience of faith to all the nations; 26 to the only wise YAH, through Yeshua the Messiah, to Whom be the glory forever! Amen.
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1 Corinthians 15
20 But now Messiah has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruit of those who are asleep. 21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by Man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Messiah the first fruits, then those who are Messiah’s at his coming. 24 Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to YAH the Father, when He will have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until he has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For, “He put all things in subjection under His feet.”* But when He says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that He is excepted Who subjected all things to Him. 28 When all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son will also Himself be subjected to Him who subjected all things to Him, that YAH may be all in all.
20 But now Messiah has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruit of those who are asleep. 21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by Man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Messiah the first fruits, then those who are Messiah’s at his coming. 24 Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to YAH the Father, when He will have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until he has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For, “He put all things in subjection under His feet.”* But when He says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that He is excepted Who subjected all things to Him. 28 When all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son will also Himself be subjected to Him who subjected all things to Him, that YAH may be all in all.
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1 Corinthians 15
45 So also it is written, “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam(the Son) became a life-giving Spirit. 46 However, that which is spiritual isn’t first, but that which is natural, then that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, made of dust. The second Man is the Adonai from heaven. 48 As is the one made of dust, such are those who are also made of dust; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 As we have borne the image of those made of dust, let’s also bear the image of the heavenly.
45 So also it is written, “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam(the Son) became a life-giving Spirit. 46 However, that which is spiritual isn’t first, but that which is natural, then that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, made of dust. The second Man is the Adonai from heaven. 48 As is the one made of dust, such are those who are also made of dust; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 As we have borne the image of those made of dust, let’s also bear the image of the heavenly.
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Galatians 1:1-5
1 Paul, an emissary—not from men, nor through man, but through Yeshua the Messiah, and YAH the Father, Who raised Him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers‡ who are with me, to the assemblies of Galatia: 3 Grace to you and peace from YAH the Father and our Adonai Yeshua the Messiah, 4 Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our YAH and Father— 5 to Whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
1 Paul, an emissary—not from men, nor through man, but through Yeshua the Messiah, and YAH the Father, Who raised Him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers‡ who are with me, to the assemblies of Galatia: 3 Grace to you and peace from YAH the Father and our Adonai Yeshua the Messiah, 4 Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our YAH and Father— 5 to Whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
