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My church asks people to commit to,give what they pledge for the year.they ask for no percents, just ask people to pledge. Then the budget accordingly.
they take into account that those ho do not pledge but give and those who theough hardhip can not meet their pledge when making their budget,
it has worked for a few decades.
now if you want to be part of the fiscal support team, they do ask you pledge at least 5%. But it is not required and they only speak on giving one time a year when it is time for pledging
my church has a budget of over 6 million dollars. and has never asked for a tithe or anything near it. And unlike most churches, again only speaks on giving one time a year
they take into account that those ho do not pledge but give and those who theough hardhip can not meet their pledge when making their budget,
it has worked for a few decades.
now if you want to be part of the fiscal support team, they do ask you pledge at least 5%. But it is not required and they only speak on giving one time a year when it is time for pledging
my church has a budget of over 6 million dollars. and has never asked for a tithe or anything near it. And unlike most churches, again only speaks on giving one time a year
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My church asks for a tithe the first Sunday of the month, and then an offering the remaining Sundays. My pastor has the position that all church leadership (deacons, teachers, church administration team, other leaders in music, etc.) should give 10%. Any thoughts on this? Should church leadership give 10% (or similar amount)? It is not required, but expected.
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If you ask your pastor he will probably tell you that the givers are the tithers. 95% of those who say they do not believe in tithing do not give much at all. Regardless of all their lofty reasonings why tithe is a Law and we should not teach it, and people should give from their heart they don't give much at all.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
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If you ask your pastor he will probably tell you that the givers are the tithers. 95% of those who say they do not believe in tithing do not give much at all. Regardless of all their lofty reasonings why tithe is a Law and we should not teach it, and people should give from their heart they don't give much at all.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
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So it's ok to twist scripture to manipulate people to give more. Even if it is a false burden that you heap on them. I guess that selling indulgence wasn't so bad it filled the coffers right.
If you ask your pastor he will probably tell you that the givers are the tithers. 95% of those who say they do not believe in tithing do not give much at all. Regardless of all their lofty reasonings why tithe is a Law and we should not teach it, and people should give from their heart they don't give much at all.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
I know from having to enter the data into accounting software. The numbers don't lie. Talk is cheap. literally.
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If you tell people that tithing is not a law but a good way to support the church and the ministries of the church in spreading the Gospel then you have not twisted any scripture. If people don't want to do that then they don't have to.
The fact still remains that those members who believe in tithing tithe. MOST of the members who don't believe in tithing don't give squat. So with all their excellent talk about better methods of giving than tithing, they still don't give. Which means their talk is useless, and they themselves should adopt some sort of structure and budget of giving. Call it a proportion if they want, but do something.
Of course this whole conversation would not be important to the mind of the person who has given up meeting with the local church as God's method. Why would they care?
The fact still remains that those members who believe in tithing tithe. MOST of the members who don't believe in tithing don't give squat. So with all their excellent talk about better methods of giving than tithing, they still don't give. Which means their talk is useless, and they themselves should adopt some sort of structure and budget of giving. Call it a proportion if they want, but do something.
Of course this whole conversation would not be important to the mind of the person who has given up meeting with the local church as God's method. Why would they care?
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Just calling it the tithe is manipulation. It's using the term of the law, and this the implications that go along with. Except those are false implications. Because the tithe was never money. It wasn't given, it was eaten before the Lord. We call telling a lie to extract money from people a scam. You can excuse the practice all you want but it's very bad doctrine.
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If the pastor says "give as the Lord leads" and people want to give 10% that is their business. It is between them and God.
People who are faithful tithers with their paychecks do so because they believe God wants them too. It is an age old tradition that they understand and that is how they plan to do it. It is not for anyone to tell them they are doing it wrong.
Especially if they say that they know that it is not a law but they want to do it that way, it would be a sin to tell them they are wrong. If they prayed and asked God what they should give and they believe that the Lord lead them to give 10% no one has a right to tell them differently.
And the fact is no one who faithfully gives would ever tell another giver how to give. Only the people who don't give have advice about how not to tithe. No faithful consistent giver supporting the local assembly would ever discourage another giver from tithing.
People who are faithful tithers with their paychecks do so because they believe God wants them too. It is an age old tradition that they understand and that is how they plan to do it. It is not for anyone to tell them they are doing it wrong.
Especially if they say that they know that it is not a law but they want to do it that way, it would be a sin to tell them they are wrong. If they prayed and asked God what they should give and they believe that the Lord lead them to give 10% no one has a right to tell them differently.
And the fact is no one who faithfully gives would ever tell another giver how to give. Only the people who don't give have advice about how not to tithe. No faithful consistent giver supporting the local assembly would ever discourage another giver from tithing.
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Donating 10th of your income is not tithing. Tithing would be bringing a bunch of food to the church and having a feast. Tithing is also connected to the sacrifices.
And I know you where the one who entered the money numbers into the accounting books or what ever, there is always someone, and they then look down their nose at those who don't have to give, that's why I never put a name on the envelope and only put in cash. Envelope so the plate passers don't know, and cash so the bean counters don't know. I always noticed the plates would have piles of cash in them, you don't know who gave that. So your judgement is wrong. Which is one more reason to end that false teaching. Because people like you casting judgement on others according to the record books.
And I know you where the one who entered the money numbers into the accounting books or what ever, there is always someone, and they then look down their nose at those who don't have to give, that's why I never put a name on the envelope and only put in cash. Envelope so the plate passers don't know, and cash so the bean counters don't know. I always noticed the plates would have piles of cash in them, you don't know who gave that. So your judgement is wrong. Which is one more reason to end that false teaching. Because people like you casting judgement on others according to the record books.
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From what has been given to my understanding, true tithing would be akin to the tax system of the first Israel, and it amounted to ten per cent of your profit at the end of a year, not of your earnings.
Let me know how you come to think tithing is for a Christian theocracy? You responses will be welcome, and they will be interesting.
A collection plate in the assembly is for supporting the assembly at all levels, nothing more, nothing less.
Let me know how you come to think tithing is for a Christian theocracy? You responses will be welcome, and they will be interesting.
A collection plate in the assembly is for supporting the assembly at all levels, nothing more, nothing less.
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