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Does not say "Old Covenant" how can Jesus be our example 1 John 2:6 to follow in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 if He lived under the "Old Covenant" Why we are told not to add to His Word Pro 30:5-6 God's Word does not need our help and we may end up in a ditch like He warned us about Mat 15:3-14.
Christ lived under the law and kept all of the commandments of God, because man failed. He was tempted just as we are but did not sin Heb 4:15 had He mis-stepped just once all humanity would be lost and He could not impute His righteousness into us. Jesus taught us to keep the same laws Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30 John 14:14 Exo 20:6 and we too can have His righteousness by clinging to Christ instead of clinging to sin. Being hostile to God's law is not the way Rom 8:7-8
I know there is no reasoning and that's okay, all gets sorted out soon enough. Take care.
Christ lived under the law and kept all of the commandments of God, because man failed. He was tempted just as we are but did not sin Heb 4:15 had He mis-stepped just once all humanity would be lost and He could not impute His righteousness into us. Jesus taught us to keep the same laws Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30 John 14:14 Exo 20:6 and we too can have His righteousness by clinging to Christ instead of clinging to sin. Being hostile to God's law is not the way Rom 8:7-8
I know there is no reasoning and that's okay, all gets sorted out soon enough. Take care.
Yes, the New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6 not new laws Heb 8:10 Can't make something perfect Psa 19:7 written by perfect Savior more perfect
Jesus did magnify His law, which means make greater not lessor and no scripture says the Sabbath is "today" - God told us when the Sabbath was is clearly- lets let God be God Exo 20:10 did not change in the NC Heb 4:4, 9, 10 Acts 14:42 Acts 14:44 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23 I guess that's why you used your own words and not scripture. Jesus said not a dot or tittle can pass from His law until all is fulfilled which is when He comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air and will be with Him forevermore. No more sin, no more sorrow, He will wipes away all tears.
Jesus did magnify His law, which means make greater not lessor and no scripture says the Sabbath is "today" - God told us when the Sabbath was is clearly- lets let God be God Exo 20:10 did not change in the NC Heb 4:4, 9, 10 Acts 14:42 Acts 14:44 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23 I guess that's why you used your own words and not scripture. Jesus said not a dot or tittle can pass from His law until all is fulfilled which is when He comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air and will be with Him forevermore. No more sin, no more sorrow, He will wipes away all tears.
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Right.
This same John wrote this: "
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
Ok John, what are His commandments?
The very next verse:
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."
Christ gives commandments by His Spirit to our spirits. Like he did with Paul:
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope..."
This was not written anywhere. This was given to the teachers and prophets who gathered in Antioch to pray. Paul's whole life trajectory changed by believing God and living as a slave to the Lord. That's 100% of his life owned by the Lord.
How coy of you "sabbath keepers" to suggest 1/7th or 14% of a life devoted to God.
This same John wrote this: "
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
Ok John, what are His commandments?
The very next verse:
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."
Christ gives commandments by His Spirit to our spirits. Like he did with Paul:
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope..."
This was not written anywhere. This was given to the teachers and prophets who gathered in Antioch to pray. Paul's whole life trajectory changed by believing God and living as a slave to the Lord. That's 100% of his life owned by the Lord.
How coy of you "sabbath keepers" to suggest 1/7th or 14% of a life devoted to God.
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Yes, in 1 John 5:3 it is plural. commandment (s) so its all of them collectively like the ones Jesus quoted and told us not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 etc etc
In verse 23 it is singular.
God has more than one commandment- His commandments might be summarized in love Rom 13:9 but the summary does not delete the details.
We should worship God 265/24/7 and in doing that we would be obedient to God's commandments- His version.
In verse 23 it is singular.
God has more than one commandment- His commandments might be summarized in love Rom 13:9 but the summary does not delete the details.
We should worship God 265/24/7 and in doing that we would be obedient to God's commandments- His version.
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The foundation of any law is the promises secured by it. Don't put the cart before the horse. A law without promise is tyranny.
Not only did the Law change with the new covenant BUT the priesthood also changed. The Law is now reserved for evil people. The New Covenant is the covenant of sonship to God the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Not only did the Law change with the new covenant BUT the priesthood also changed. The Law is now reserved for evil people. The New Covenant is the covenant of sonship to God the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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The priesthood changed in the law of Moses to accommodate Jesus to be our High Priest since He came from the trine of Judeah and the law said the priesthood needed to come from Levi.
No scripture says the Ten Commandments ended- God promised He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 why we still see all of the Ten Commandments being kept faithful throughout the NC by His faithful, because breaking them is sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what all man will be Judged by regardless if we accept it or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15.
No scripture says the Ten Commandments ended- God promised He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 why we still see all of the Ten Commandments being kept faithful throughout the NC by His faithful, because breaking them is sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what all man will be Judged by regardless if we accept it or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15.
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Thanks. Your condemnation shows I am on the right track.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (Christ's Church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mans judgement means nothing, we all have to answer to Someone greater soon. Nothing we can hide from Him. Ecc 12:13-14
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (Christ's Church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mans judgement means nothing, we all have to answer to Someone greater soon. Nothing we can hide from Him. Ecc 12:13-14
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I'm happy to be part of the 14% unrighteous
who only worships the God of Creation.
who doesn't bow to idols
who doesn't vain God's holy name
Who doesn't forget what God asked us to Remember to keep His Sabbath day holy so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify Eze 20:12
Who Honors my father and mother
Who does not murder
Who does not commit adultery
Who does not steal
Who does not give false testimony (lie)
Who does not covet
I know I can't do this on my own but I can through Christ though faith and love John 14:15-18 and thank goodness He imputes His righteousness in me because I have none of my own, why we need to depend on His Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142.
And this faith is what reconciles
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
And don't be fooled into thinking God's commandments is not from the Ten because Jesus said so Mat 15:3-14 and all you have to do is read the next verse to see what commandments is being referred to.
who only worships the God of Creation.
who doesn't bow to idols
who doesn't vain God's holy name
Who doesn't forget what God asked us to Remember to keep His Sabbath day holy so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify Eze 20:12
Who Honors my father and mother
Who does not murder
Who does not commit adultery
Who does not steal
Who does not give false testimony (lie)
Who does not covet
I know I can't do this on my own but I can through Christ though faith and love John 14:15-18 and thank goodness He imputes His righteousness in me because I have none of my own, why we need to depend on His Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142.
And this faith is what reconciles
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
And don't be fooled into thinking God's commandments is not from the Ten because Jesus said so Mat 15:3-14 and all you have to do is read the next verse to see what commandments is being referred to.
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Are you purposely being obtuse, or do you really not understand that circumcision was the seal of being in covenant with God, which is why the house of Israel was called the circumcision? Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 years old in obedience to the law of the covenant. You teach the law with such confidence. but don't know basic facts about the bible.
Now the end of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside into vain words, desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they confidently affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:5-9
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Sin is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 so you should consider your own advice. Those who cover their sins (by not allowing God to define sin and obey Him through faith) will not prosper Pro 28:13
All the Ten Commandments does is point out sin Rom 7:7 Rom 3:20 and shows our need for a Savior, but if we have our own righteousness God's law is not for us Psa 119:172 We have no righteousness and why we need Christ because He did what man could not- keep His version of righteousness Psa 119:172 John 15:10 our version is as fifthly rags, that sadly most depend on.
All the Ten Commandments does is point out sin Rom 7:7 Rom 3:20 and shows our need for a Savior, but if we have our own righteousness God's law is not for us Psa 119:172 We have no righteousness and why we need Christ because He did what man could not- keep His version of righteousness Psa 119:172 John 15:10 our version is as fifthly rags, that sadly most depend on.
Again, there is the standard of the Levitical Law and there is the standard of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
Two different Laws, two different covenants, two different priesthoods.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
Just for the 14%ers...
The Law of sin and death is the Levitical Law. This was the Law "added because of transgressions". That means God did not originally intend to give this Law. It was added. It was the standard of behavior UNTIL the Seed (Christ) would appear.
The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is the Law that existed before the foundation of the earth. This Law of the Spirit of Life was not a written Law. It was defined by the love between the Father and the Son.
One Law is the law of sin and death. The other is the law of life in the Spirit.
You only get to choose one.
Two different Laws, two different covenants, two different priesthoods.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
Just for the 14%ers...
The Law of sin and death is the Levitical Law. This was the Law "added because of transgressions". That means God did not originally intend to give this Law. It was added. It was the standard of behavior UNTIL the Seed (Christ) would appear.
The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is the Law that existed before the foundation of the earth. This Law of the Spirit of Life was not a written Law. It was defined by the love between the Father and the Son.
One Law is the law of sin and death. The other is the law of life in the Spirit.
You only get to choose one.
The law that defines sin, the Ten Commandments 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 can't be the law that was added for breaking the law that defines sin.
When Cain murdered Abel God said it was sin, and thou shalt not murder is only found in the Ten Commandments- the law that God personally wrote and called "My commandments" Exo 20:6
No one is keeping the law of Spirit by breaking God's law.
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Life:
Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and one of the greatest commandments
“‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
I don't think anyone will regret obeying God the way He asked, but I think their will be plenty of regrets Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15
Anyway, this is not a fruitful discussion, so guess we will find out soon enough. No one will ever convince me not to follow the example Jesus left who kept all of the commandments and told us to as well. John 15:10 John 14:15
When Cain murdered Abel God said it was sin, and thou shalt not murder is only found in the Ten Commandments- the law that God personally wrote and called "My commandments" Exo 20:6
No one is keeping the law of Spirit by breaking God's law.
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Life:
Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and one of the greatest commandments
“‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
I don't think anyone will regret obeying God the way He asked, but I think their will be plenty of regrets Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15
Anyway, this is not a fruitful discussion, so guess we will find out soon enough. No one will ever convince me not to follow the example Jesus left who kept all of the commandments and told us to as well. John 15:10 John 14:15
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Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev 23:27-28 &32 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God........ 32It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest,
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
So the first day is a sabbath, the 10th day is a sabbath, the 15th day is a sabbath and 8 days later is a sabbath.
Seems to me that God is calling other days sabbath other than just the 7th or Saturday. If the first sabbath on the first day is Saturday then no way 10 days later is it Saturday then 5 days later is sabbath again and then 8 days later again sabbath. I don't think the math holds to your definitive statement that sabbath can only refer to Saturday.
The math says that if the first day is Saturday then the 10th day is Tuesday then 5 days later is Sunday and 8 days after that is Monday.
Yet God called those days a sabbath. So is only the 7th day Saturday called by the name of sabbath by God?
Lev 23:27-28 &32 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God........ 32It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest,
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
So the first day is a sabbath, the 10th day is a sabbath, the 15th day is a sabbath and 8 days later is a sabbath.
Seems to me that God is calling other days sabbath other than just the 7th or Saturday. If the first sabbath on the first day is Saturday then no way 10 days later is it Saturday then 5 days later is sabbath again and then 8 days later again sabbath. I don't think the math holds to your definitive statement that sabbath can only refer to Saturday.
The math says that if the first day is Saturday then the 10th day is Tuesday then 5 days later is Sunday and 8 days after that is Monday.
Yet God called those days a sabbath. So is only the 7th day Saturday called by the name of sabbath by God?
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