The Remnant

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Pilgrimshope

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Who are the remnant of the household of Israel?
“Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭

those of israel who accepted and believed in Jesus and were saved by grace through faith in him and became his witnesses to the ends of the earth
 

ForestGreenCook

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Much could be said but I will keep this short.

The Remnant are considered those who belong to God, specifically True Jews in the midst of all Israel. "Israel" has always struggled with corruption, such as "sleeping with the enemy." Israel couldn't keep their hands off of those who belonged to the Seven Nations . . . the Canaanites, etc. Because of this, the Lord was constantly pruning Israel of those who were not of the Pure, Holy Vine of Christ. Hence, the Remnant is the Pure, True Vine of Christ. All who belong to this Vine, they possess the Seed of Christ . . . which of course, the Devil is recorded to be doing all that he can to destroy the Seed of Christ.
Read Zephaniah 3, and let me know how you would interpret it, especially verses 12 & 13.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The saved remnant of Israel is the part of Israel in Christ.

I believe the scriptures to teach that not all of the nation of Israel, is included in Jacob as Israel. Jacob's name was changed by God to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28). Jacob as Israel is representative of all of God's elect people (Rom 9:11), which includes people from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

The remnant of the house of Jacob as Israel include those who have been revealed, by the Holy Spirit within them, the knowledge of the truth of the doctrine of Jesus Christ, (Rom 10:1-3), and the rest of Jacob as Israel were blinded to the truth, and are going about teaching, and preaching eternal salvation by the works of the law.

Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep of the house of Jacob as Israel (teaching them not to depend upon the old law for eternal salvation, and to understand that Jesus gave eternal salvation to them, by his sacrifice on the cross, redeeming them from their sins. - John 6:39)
 
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kaylagrl

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How does modern day Israel fit into this?Did God be like "you know what?,build a bridge over the Jordan and come on home.Biblically speaking,modern day Israel would be considered the remnant.And it's not.

Well, God said it is, I'll stick with what He said.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The chosen by the grace of God to salvation.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (resurrected) us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

These scriptures are referencing the elect chosen by God.(Eph 1:4) The same ones that he adopted as his children (Eph 1:5) The same ones that are included in the house of Jacob, as Israel, The same ones that God gave to his Son to redeem them from their sins (John 6:39)

A small part of the elect in the house of Jacob, as Israel, known as the remnant, the few, the little flock, have been revealed the knowledge of Jesus doctrine by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The rest of the house of Jacob, as Israel are blinded to the truth of the doctrine of Jesus, and are going about teaching, and preaching eternal salvation by the works of the old law, known as the lost sheep of the house of Jacob, as Israel. (lost to the knowledge of the doctrine, but not lost to their inheritance of heaven.)
 
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kaylagrl

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I believe the scriptures to teach that not all of the nation of Israel, is included in Jacob as Israel. Jacob's name was changed by God to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28). Jacob as Israel is representative of all of God's elect people (Rom 9:11), which includes people from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

The remnant of the house of Jacob as Israel include those who have been revealed, by the Holy Spirit within them, the knowledge of the truth of the doctrine of Jesus Christ, (Rom 10:1-3), and the rest of Jacob as Israel were blinded to the truth, and are going about teaching, and preaching eternal salvation by the works of the law.

Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep of the house of Jacob as Israel (teaching them not to depend upon the old law for eternal salvation, and to understand that Jesus gave eternal salvation to them, by his sacrifice on the cross, redeeming them from their sins. - John 6:39)

Blinded, for a time...
 

ForestGreenCook

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The apostolic church were the remnant.

I believe the scriptures to teach (Esk 1-especially verse 16) that there is an invisible church, (the large outer wheel) who do not have the full knowledge of the doctrine of Jesus, and are blinded to the truth, and are going about teaching and preaching eternal salvation by the works of the old law. and there is a visible church, (the smaller inner wheel) who have been revealed, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the truth of the doctrine of Jesus, and are known as the remnant of the house of Jacob, as Israel, also known as the few, the little flock.

The invisible and the visible church both have the promise of an eternal home in heaven, and are included in those that God gave to his Son to redeem from their sins on the cross.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Blinded, for a time...

Rom 11:8 - According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this day.
 
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I'm not sure where you think I added to scripture. My point was Verses 1-8 pertain specifically to the tribes of Israel numbering 144,000. Then in verse 9 there's a distinction; "AFTER THIS I BEHELD a multitude no one could number:

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Twelve thousand of each tribe detailed:

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."
Revelation is written in Code, by the Holy Spirit and is mixed with both literal and symbolic meaning.

The Tribulation Saints are those mentioned in chapter 7 as well as other parts of Revelation.

Do you know Who the 144,000 are???
 

ForestGreenCook

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“Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭

those of israel who accepted and believed in Jesus and were saved by grace through faith in him and became his witnesses to the ends of the earth

Salvation=a deliverance, saved=delivered, save=deliver, according to Greek translation.

There is a deliverance, here in time, when a born again child of God comes to a knowledge of the truth. Jacob's name was changed to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28). The house of Israel/Jacob who are numbered as the sand and the stars are included in those that God gave to his Son to redeem them from their sins on the cross, and they will all inherit heaven as their eternal home. (John 6:39).
 
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kaylagrl

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Rom 11:8 - According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this day.

THAT day, not forever. smh Read the chapter.