The Rapture

[Jackson123]

Jackson123, what site or software are you trying to copy the verses from?


I know a link to FREE BIBLE Libary Software Program that works perfectly and under the HELP on the Menu Bar they have links to their online Video Tutorials to teach you how to use the Software. The PLUS is there are over 200 FREE Books you can pick through to choose which ones you want to download. Everything from additional Bibles, Study Helps, Comentaries, Maps, Classic Christian books like Pilgrams Progress, etc. Yes the Free Books are mostly the older books no longer CopyWrited; however even Holman's Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) is one of the FREEBIES, and it was first published in 2004.

The FREE program is called WORDsearch BASIC and here is the Link:

https://www.wordsearchbible.com/basic

Notice the Program has to be installed before you can download any of the FREE books.
After you install the Program, go back to the same page where you downloaded the Program. Then look up at the menu bar near the top, and you will find the Link to their FREE BOOKS. It is the BEST BIBLE SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT I HAVE EVER USED, and I have used most of them at one point or other. If you are wanting to add newer books to the library, or upgrade the Program to have more features. WATCH FOR THEIR SALES, they frequently run GREAT SALES. If you have a favorite translation that is not a FREE ONE, their costs are VERY REASONABLE per Translation, $9.95 USD.

FREE ENGLISH VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE INCLUDE: KJV, ASV, BBE, CT-NT, CSB, DBY, GWT, HCSB, KJV+Apocypha, MACE-NT, Wesley's-NT, Weymouth's-NT, and YLT.

Honest, it is all FREE, except those books that still have a copywrite on them.

The FREE Commentaries are:

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
Matthew Henry's Unabridged Commentary
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary

Unfortunately that is about it for the Free Commentaries. I warn you some of the Commentaries ARE TOTALLY REDICULOUS on their Prices. It just depends on the Author. When you find a 20% off coupon (the sales and coupons open up on the Programs home page), and you want to add a very good Commentary, I have found the one called "BELIEVER'S BIBLE COMMENTARY" to be VERY USEFUL, and it normally sells for $39.95, but I found it was on sale one month for 10 dollars less than that. I have found the one from Dallas Theological Seminary, "BIBLE KNOWLEDGE COMMENTARY" to be some what reasonable and VERY HELPFUL also, WHEN YOU CAN GET IT ON SALE.

thanks for information bro, I do not know much about computer.

 

[heartofdavid]

Pre tribbers use the types in the Bible to support their belief in a Pre Trib Rapture and yet maintain that the Jews and so called Tribulation Saints remain on earth during the tribulation.

Whether they are aware of this or not the truth is that the Pre Trib rapture is a device to maintain the false premise that there are two different paths to salvation for Jews and Gentiles as according to Darby who created the whole Dispensational baggage. His version goes that the Jews rejected Jesus offer to set up his kingdom so God created the Church and let it run for two thousand plus years until such time as he would turn his attention back to them again. To do this he removes the Church from the scene at the tribulation which in part is to force the Jews to return to him. Having two separate plans of salvation goes against everything Paul and others said about salvation through Christ. It also results in very few Christians sharing the Gospel with Jews and so condemning many of them to a Godless eternity.

Well,i am pretrib,and I can not find truth anywhere in your entire post.
All false
100% false.
Point 1 *** false
Point 2 *** false
Point 3 *** false
Point 4 *** false
Not sure how you can fix that mish mash mess,but maybe ask me what I believe,or do some research/praying....

Just not sure,but truth is surely evasive to you for some reason.

You post would be on par to me saying "you hate fish because you can not swim",or something similar I just pull from the sky

 

[heartofdavid]

read 2 thasalonian 2 and tell me what It mean

In your position you say the tribulation comes after the anti christ is revealed Right?
You also say in your position that the anti christ is revealed before the rapture right?

Well we believe the same thing.

I am showing you that you have absolutely no point,nor does ANY post trib adherent.

The novelty of it is,you only think you have a point,therefore ,in your mind,you really do have a point. It only exists in your circles,not in the bible. None the less,it exists.......in your mind. That is why you will not listen.

 

[heartofdavid]

God wrath to the population of the earth, happen before in Noah time. God protected Noah but not rapture him.

God wrath in The land of Agypt in Moses time, And protected Israel, not rapture them

Ok,play it out.
Noah is supposedly not rescued prejudgement. He floats around on a board with ravens feeding him.
Then,after the flood,what 6 months later?,he is raptured????
Oh,yeah,sign me up on your new bible. That is the "scriptural" proof I need!!! I get a post flood rescue AFTER THE FLOOD. Oh yeah!!!
See that??? Your deal will not even begin to fit. There was no post flood rapture of Noah.

Lets do Moses. lets say Moses and family are delivered post judgement.
So far,so good!!!
Now,lets see Moses does a uturn (in order to fit your well thought out pattern) and comes back to Egypt.

You serious????
You see Moses coming back to Egypt???

 

[RickyZ]

It is like if a man cheats on his wife, and she denies him the marital bed for a year.

Judgment is the wife saying he did wrong and can't share the bed for a year.

Wrath sneaks up in the middle of the night and cuts his pecker off!














(Forgive me if that term offended anyone)

 

[J7]

Yes, but that is excess of judgment and wrath. Then she brings judgement and wrath to herself also. (if you catch my drift)

It would be too late then to say:

"It was only a peccadillo"

 

[Nehemiah6]

Are judgment and wrath the same thing? Many seem to think they are and base their theology on that.

Well there can be no question that certain judgments of God have been (and will be) expressed through wrath. Therefore wrath is an execution of a Divine judgment. (BTW ordinary dictionaries will not help greatly in spiritual matters).

 

[RickyZ]

Judgment and wrath are two entirely different things, and you cannot use the terms interchangeably. Judgment is a mindful, cerebral investigation of the evidence met with an equally mindful punishment response. Wrath is an emotional response, a temper tantrum if I may. Judgment meters the penalty to fit the crime, wrath says I'm gonna kick your @$$ because you have p!ssed me off.




Judgment is cerebral

Wrath is emotional





They are not the same thing.

And so when we look at the end times events, it is important to discern the difference between what is a judgment and what is wrath response.

 

[J7]

God never acts intemperately

 

[RickyZ]

God never acts intemperately

God never gets angry? Breaking out the whips and trashing the place is most definitely an anger response.

 

[Jackson123]

In your position you say the tribulation comes after the anti christ is revealed Right?
You also say in your position that the anti christ is revealed before the rapture right?

Well we believe the same thing.

I am showing you that you have absolutely no point,nor does ANY post trib adherent.

The novelty of it is,you only think you have a point,therefore ,in your mind,you really do have a point. It only exists in your circles,not in the bible. None the less,it exists.......in your mind. That is why you will not listen.

have you read 2 thesalonians 2 brother.

read and tell me sentence by sentence what It mean

 

[RickyZ]

And that's a good example. Most often Jesus looked at the temple goings-on and spoke about them judgmentally. But one time He 'lost it' and trashed the place.

A perfect example of the difference between judgment and wrath ... thoughtfulness vs emotion.

 

[Jackson123]

Ok,play it out.
Noah is supposedly not rescued prejudgement. He floats around on a board with ravens feeding him.
Then,after the flood,what 6 months later?,he is raptured????
Oh,yeah,sign me up on your new bible. That is the "scriptural" proof I need!!! I get a post flood rescue AFTER THE FLOOD. Oh yeah!!!
See that??? Your deal will not even begin to fit. There was no post flood rapture of Noah.

Lets do Moses. lets say Moses and family are delivered post judgement.
So far,so good!!!
Now,lets see Moses does a uturn (in order to fit your well thought out pattern) and comes back to Egypt.

You serious????
You see Moses coming back to Egypt???

You have a good point. But about rapture, pleace read 2 thesalonians2

 

[J7]

God never gets angry? Breaking out the whips and trashing the place is most definitely an anger response.

Getting angry is not the same as acting intemperately.

God is not a hothead who slays people in wild fury.

 

[RickyZ]

Again, breaking out the whips and trashing the place is most definitely an anger response. I only do that when I'm hot-headed.

 

[J7]

I am sorry RZ, I have to vehemently disagree:

Nahum 1:3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:

Nehemiah 9:17 but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsookest them not.

Psalm 103:8
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Psalm 145:8
The Lord is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

Joel 2:13
And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Jonah 4:2
And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

 

[iamsoandso]

In Colossians 1:15 it is said that our Lord Jesus was the "first born of every creature",,,So from the beginning the saviour who would need be come into this was the first thought of God that is,Adam and then you and me were not created and then when we goofed up there was an need to then create someone to come and save us but instead long before me and you and Adam was created and sinned God loved us and created beforehand the saviour Jesus Christ our Lord.

lol,Just something to ponder about who came first "the sinner or the saviour?",,,

 

[KJV1611]

Joel 2:24-27 KJV
And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

[25] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

[26] And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

[27] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

First coming or milenneum?

 

[KJV1611]

Luke 3:16-17 KJV
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

[17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

His fan is IN his hand right then to seperate the wheat from the chaff.... is this 1st coming or rapture?

 

[KJV1611]

John 12:23-24 KJV
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

1 Corinthians 15:37-38 KJV
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain :

[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Revelation 6:6 KJV
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Do you think the wheat in Revelation 6:6 is literal wheat or is it the wheat mentioned in John and 1 Corinthians? Could it be that Revelation 6:6 is not famine but the redemptive work of Jesus Christ?