THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS

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There was good news given to the 12 disciples of Christ and His coming rule through Israel and then there is further revelation given to the apostle Paul concerning the Body of Christ and His purpose for them.
There is only One Body of Christ - there is only One Gospel for the Jew and SAME for the Gentile.
 
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and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians

What more needs to be said?
 

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There is only One Body of Christ - there is only One Gospel for the Jew and SAME for the Gentile.
Yes for the Body of Christ however God has purposes (to be completed) for Israel and for the nations when we have been caught away to our eternal setting in glory.
 
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Yes for the Body of Christ however God has purposes (to be completed) for Israel and for the nations when we have been caught away to our eternal setting in glory.
YES, and remember - there is no 'caught away' until His Coming and the Resurrection takes place First and Foremost.
Any other word, person, letter or prophecy that speaks contrary to His Coming for Resurrection of His Saints is a lie.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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That's not 100 percent correct. We are not subject to wrath of Gdo but we are subject to wrath of satan if living at time of these scriptures:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That war is GT in which church will be persecuted and many will be killed as seen in REV 13.






The rapture happens at the second coming according to scriptures posted in my other post.





No, the twinkling of an eye is related to how fast the living are changed into immortals. It is not related to the rapture although rapture occurs soon after that bodily change.




That happens moments after the rapture.
The wrath of satan???? Saint unless Jesus is a liar we are signed, sealed, and then delivered by the works of Christ and the blood of the lamb.

What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation? What gain is that. To even suggest that puts Christ crucified to no avail.
 

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The wrath of satan???? Saint unless Jesus is a liar we are signed, sealed, and then delivered by the works of Christ and the blood of the lamb.

What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation?
Scripture says the saints take part in GT which is wrath of satan against the church. That isn't up for debate. I already proved it in my last post.
 
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The wrath of satan???? Saint unless Jesus is a liar we are signed, sealed, and then delivered by the works of Christ and the blood of the lamb.

What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation? What gain is that. To even suggest that puts Christ crucified to no avail.
What you said here is shameful: "What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation? What gain is that. To even suggest that puts Christ crucified to no avail."

i strongly suggest you pick a Gospel and start reading it from start to finish.
 
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What you said here is shameful: "What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation? What gain is that. To even suggest that puts Christ crucified to no avail."

i strongly suggest you pick a Gospel and start reading it from start to finish.

The Bible says those of at least a little faith...will not go thru the tribulation.

Maybe you know of scripture which says we will go tru. the tribulation...please share.
 
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The Bible says those of at least a little faith...will not go thru the tribulation.

Maybe you know of scripture which says we will go tru. the tribulation...please share.
It is throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

But here are just a few = John 16:31-33, Matt 24, Acts 14:21-22, 1 Thess and 2 Thess, 1 John 2:18,
The entire Book of Revelation up to ch19
 
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You quoted Matthew 24:31 which says that after the tribulation, Angels Gather in heaven not earth and the Gathering is done by Angels not Jesus . So that cannot be the rapture

Gathered from the "four winds" mentioned in Matthew 24:31 is in reference to the Earth. It's just figurative language that means from every direction.

Consider the parallel in Mark 13:24-27:

24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 
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Good question... In this parable the oil is used as a central focus. Without the oil there is no light.
Notice that all had lanterns but five did not have the oil that made the lanterns to work.

The lantern is the word of God.....“For You are my lamp, O Lord; The Lord shall enlighten my darkness. 2sam22:28.
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path. Pslam 119:105

Now you have the word of God which they all had. All were virgins but what's missing?

We all know that the Holy Spirit descended like a dove on jesus but in what form did it come to the believers on the day of pentecost??

of the Holy Spirit When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.

Now let me guess why you asked about the love for God.
Is it because of what jesus said ? You shall love your God with all your strength, mind,
and soul?
If it is I will share what is wrong here...the word love is a poor translation what the scripture really means is serve.
You shall serve your God with all your strength, mind, and soul.
This coincides with the scripture
If you love me keep my commandments, be he doers and not hearers deceiving your ownselves.
And many more.
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am not opposed to the oil in the parable of the ten virgins representing the Holy Spirit, but I am not convinced.

I am toying with the interpretation that the oil could be love to see how that harmonizes with scripture.

What I see is this is a wedding. Why do people get married? Ideally for love. Five of them ran out of oil. Ever met a girl who's obsessed with you? She isn't going to run out of oil if it means she'll miss her chance to be with you always.

These five virgins were lazy, careless, apathetic, and didn't have their priorities right to give their man the 100% devotion and love he deserves. They had one job, to have enough oil, keep their lamps lit, and they ran out of oil. What a blunder. No wonder the bridegroom refuses to marry them, saying, 'I don't know you" because they weren't in love anymore. He didn't want to marry some virgins who were not fully committed.

What do you think?
 
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That's interesting. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am not opposed to the oil in the parable of the ten virgins representing the Holy Spirit, but I am not convinced.

I am toying with the interpretation that the oil could be love to see how that harmonizes with scripture.

What I see is this is a wedding. Why do people get married? Ideally for love. Five of them ran out of oil. Ever met a girl who's obsessed with you? She isn't going to run out of oil if it means she'll miss her chance to be with you always.

These five virgins were lazy, careless, apathetic, and didn't have their priorities right to give their man the 100% devotion and love he deserves. They had one job, to have enough oil, keep their lamps lit, and they ran out of oil. What a blunder. No wonder the bridegroom refuses to marry them, saying, 'I don't know you" because they weren't in love anymore. He didn't want to marry some virgins who were not fully committed.

What do you think?
To add to that, I believe it's possible the five virgins who ran out of oil are fakers with ulterior motives. They clearly wanted to go through with the wedding, but their hearts weren't in it anymore. I think that's obvious. Ever been in a relationship where you're trying harder than the other person? It can be one of the most dissatisfying experiences.

Furthermore, consider this verse:

Song of Solomon 8:6
6Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

Can the oil be love and the extinguished flame a symbol of love that has died? This requires more investigation. Just consider it and mull it over. Let me know what you think, please. Thank you.
 

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1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.



The foolish take only their lamps, which have a reservoir of oil but doesnt hold an overly large amount. The wise take extra containers of oil, vessels, so they have a larger supply.


Many believe that the oil is truth, or The Holy Spirit. It doesn't really matter for the purpose of the parable which it represents since all the virgins are intending to meet the bridegroom as verse 1 says, and all have lamps and oil, though some have more oil. However, I believe it represents truth and will allude to that in this work.


So who would have "some" truth and who want to meet Christ but fall short? I would say they are most Christians of today. They have the milk of the word, and they certainly want to go to Christ, but they dont have the whole truth and they believe doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture.


The wise ones have more of the truth, they carry it on purpose, its more labor but they know it's important. These will have enough truth to know about the tribulation and the false Christ and they will stay true to Christ until He returns.



5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.


The darkness at midnight will be the tribulation. The cry being made is by those who are the watchers, who are telling that the true Christ is coming even though the whole world sleeps because of the darkness. The 5 wise virgins are the elect and the ones "calling" that the true Christ is coming are the watchers and the two prophets. When this call is made by them the elect will "wake up" and trim their lamps and use that oil they have. They get all this extra oil before the tribulation, which is now, through the teachings of those God has anointed with truth, that oil. So, even the wise 5 virgins slumber right until Christ was announced!



7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.


The lamps of the foolish are out because they were on all night and they ran out of oil, and they didnt have enough oil to light them up again. At some point in the night the foolish ones were in complete darkness, their "nightlights" went out. The wise had light/truth all night (think of the night as the tribulation). The lamps of the wise did not go out during the early part of the night.




The wise had a lamp that had oil plus they brought an oil container like above. The foolish only had a lamp with some oil and it was lighted but they didn't have the oil container which is why their lamps went out while the slept. This means they were in darkness without even knowing it. Those that take the mark of the beast and those who commit Apostasy will also be in spiritual darkness in the Great Tribulation and they won't even know it until it is too late to do anything about it.



Also, this trimming of lamps has something to do with adjusting the wick. In the days before electricity most people had either candles or oil lamps going through the night. The trimming probably refers to extending the wick so the flame would grow larger and emit more light. Only a modest flame would have been needed while they slept.

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9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.


Certainly this is another reference to the tribulation:


Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

"they bought, they sold". If this example was compared to the end times before the destruction came would be like the tribulation period, this buying and selling etc....and the destruction would be Christ's return and the wrath of God 7th trump. Lot would be the elect who are gathered by angels.


10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.


I think the foolish "bought" or bartered their "virginity" for the oil they got. There were no 24 hour stores in this time as there is today. No honest person would be selling after midnight so where they went, who they bought from and what they had to give is seriously questionable. Regardless, the wise ones are TAKEN to the marriage by the bridegroom and the foolish will be LEFT behind exactly as the One taken and one left also taught by Christ. It's the same story with the same players and in the same exact order.

In my opinion, when it says the 5 foolish go out to buy, they do buy "false oil", false teachings....they take the mark and are therefore allowed to "buy and sell".


The elect in the tribulation won't take the mark and won't be allowed to buy and sell, but if the parable of the ten virgins helps at all then we know that there won't be any need for any wise virgins to buy anything because they prepared ahead of time with extra oil.


11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


One interesting thought is what would have happened had the 5 foolish virgins remained, with unlit lamps, and were there while Christ had returned? It seems a critical element is that they were gone when he arrived. They were late because they hadn't been properly prepared for his return. They were lacking something and realized it too late.


This whole parable applies to His return and symbolically how the world will be divided up, those who are foolish and those who are wise, those with enough oil and those that had some of the oil but ran out of it at the wrong time.


they all were virgins
they all had lamps
they all had some oil for part of the night
they all had lamps that were lit for part of the night
they all waited for the bridegroom
they all slept
they all awoke when the watchman called out
they all trimmed their lamps

the part that is different is that the wise had plenty of oil and the
foolish didn't.

then the differences start:

the wise get ready for the bridegroom
the foolish leave in search for oil

the wise meet the bridegroom
the foolish arent there to meet him

the wise are taken to the wedding
the foolish are not allowed to enter the wedding

the wise are accepted
the foolish are not


Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

We are to let our lights burning to be ready when he cometh and knocketh! If you don't have enough oil your light will not burn, will not shine!

This is also the same type of people as the foolish virgins:

Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
 
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That's interesting. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am not opposed to the oil in the parable of the ten virgins representing the Holy Spirit, but I am not convinced.

I am toying with the interpretation that the oil could be love to see how that harmonizes with scripture.

What I see is this is a wedding. Why do people get married? Ideally for love. Five of them ran out of oil. Ever met a girl who's obsessed with you? She isn't going to run out of oil if it means she'll miss her chance to be with you always.

These five virgins were lazy, careless, apathetic, and didn't have their priorities right to give their man the 100% devotion and love he deserves. They had one job, to have enough oil, keep their lamps lit, and they ran out of oil. What a blunder. No wonder the bridegroom refuses to marry them, saying, 'I don't know you" because they weren't in love anymore. He didn't want to marry some virgins who were not fully committed.

What do you think?
i like it - and the key to that Love is the Oil which is being filled with the Holy Spirit - If your filled with the Holy Spirit you will never run out of the Love of God.

Now, if you are only half filled, then you have made room in your heart for other desires, namely the world.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. 1 John 2:14-17

Dear Brother, there is a HUGE Truth here that directly pertains to Matthew 25:1-13

I have not mentioned it but it is right there if you look a little further. Get back to me after you find it.......PEACE
 

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To add to that, I believe it's possible the five virgins who ran out of oil are fakers with ulterior motives. They clearly wanted to go through with the wedding, but their hearts weren't in it anymore. I think that's obvious. Ever been in a relationship where you're trying harder than the other person? It can be one of the most dissatisfying experiences.

Furthermore, consider this verse:

Song of Solomon 8:6
6Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

Can the oil be love and the extinguished flame a symbol of love that has died? This requires more investigation. Just consider it and mull it over. Let me know what you think, please. Thank you.

That's not a fire fueled by oil. That's wood or coal. Not to mention the fire is related to jealously not a lack of love.
 
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What you said here is shameful: "What possibly is the reason for the saints to go through the tribulation? What gain is that. To even suggest that puts Christ crucified to no avail."

i strongly suggest you pick a Gospel and start reading it from start to finish.
I will just as soon as you show me what the church is doing after chapter 4 in revelation.
 
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I will just as soon as you show me what the church is doing after chapter 4 in revelation.
His Church are His Body are His Elect are His Saints are His Overcomers = there done

i forgot His Bride

and most important "His Called Out Ones" which is the definition for His Church
 

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Psa_119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Pro_6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Pro_13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.
 
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To add to that, I believe it's possible the five virgins who ran out of oil are fakers with ulterior motives. They clearly wanted to go through with the wedding, but their hearts weren't in it anymore. I think that's obvious. Ever been in a relationship where you're trying harder than the other person? It can be one of the most dissatisfying experiences.

Furthermore, consider this verse:

Song of Solomon 8:6
6Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

Can the oil be love and the extinguished flame a symbol of love that has died? This requires more investigation. Just consider it and mull it over. Let me know what you think, please. Thank you.
Jesus said: "Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love."

Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
Revelation 2
 
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I will just as soon as you show me what the church is doing after chapter 4 in revelation.
Oh, what are they doing - preaching the Gospel and not loving their lives - even unto death

WHY??? WHY are they doing this??? So that they may have part in the First Resurrection which occurs at His Coming.