The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

[Bluesproverb]

If we think of how Abraham believed, in spite of the natural evidence, or lack thereof, his old body and Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf. He believed what God said. Could he have 'received' it until that moment?

Hate Sarah much? You should be ashamed. 😟

 

[Bluesproverb]

Have you stopped putting words in Jesus' mouth yet, claiming He said things He did not?

He is here for that very purpose.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Scripture states otherwise.

"So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17

That was scripture that you just denied and as such call Jesus a liar.

John 6:28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

 

[Mem]

Hate Sarah much? You should be ashamed. 😟

I'm not worried. Sarah and I are tight. You should refrain from projecting your erroneous perspective of what others write while pretending that you know what it means.

 

[Bluesproverb]

PTE="Mem, post: 4882732, member: 206166"]I'm not worried. Sarah and I are tight. You should refrain from projecting your erroneous perspective of what others write while pretending that you know what it means.[/QUOTE] Wow! You don't even know who you insulted, so please don't try to school me.

People who join Christian forums without any knowledge of scripture.

Sarah is found in the old testament. She was the wife of Abraham.

What Sarah was not is the degrading description you afforded her. ''Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf.''

We know exactly what you said.

 

[Mem]

PTE="Mem, post: 4882732, member: 206166"]I'm not worried. Sarah and I are tight. You should refrain from projecting your erroneous perspective of what others write while pretending that you know what it means.

Wow! You don't even know who you insulted, so please don't try to school me.

People who join Christian forums without any knowledge of scripture.

Sarah is found in the old testament. She was the wife of Abraham.

What Sarah was not is the degrading description you afforded her. ''Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf.''

We know exactly what you said.[/QUOTE]

Why do you give advice on your signature that you can't abide in yourself?

 

[crossnote]

What good is an 'offer' if certain ones are predestined/elect?

 

[Runningman]

What good is an 'offer' if certain ones are predestined/elect?

Good question. To me that sounds like an offer is optional but destiny is not optional. Destined to accept or reject an offer which would mean someone’s fate was sealed since before they were born. That’s not an offer then.

Seems like predestination/election would be a discussed a lot more in the Bible if it was major theological point of Christianity. Predestination information in the Bible takes up about as much room as a footnote and leaves way more questions than answers.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Wow! You don't even know who you insulted, so please don't try to school me.

People who join Christian forums without any knowledge of scripture.

Sarah is found in the old testament. She was the wife of Abraham.

What Sarah was not is the degrading description you afforded her. ''Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf.''

We know exactly what you said.

Why do you give advice on your signature that you can't abide in yourself?[/QUOTE]
Blasphemy! Of biblical matriarchs is a sin against God's chosen. Not a thing to do with snowflake rebuttal.

 

[Mem]

Why do you give advice on your signature that you can't abide in yourself?

Blasphemy! Of biblical matriarchs is a sin against God's chosen. Not a thing to do with snowflake rebuttal.[/QUOTE]
I had only suspected you were a nutjob, but now I no longer wonder.

 

[Runningman]

Blasphemy! Of biblical matriarchs is a sin against God's chosen. Not a thing to do with snowflake rebuttal.

You have a hair trigger. Everything seems to be blasphemy to you. Haven’t you accused like three people of blasphemy in this thread alone today? And you attack almost everyone who talks to you.

Look, you’ve gotten off to a rocky start here. Just my personal advice, maybe you should take a break for a few days, let the air clear, pray, and come back and see how it goes.

Also, I might add, you won’t be successful in derailing this thread for much longer.

 

[HeIsHere]

Blasphemy! Of biblical matriarchs is a sin against God's chosen. Not a thing to do with snowflake rebuttal.

I had only suspected you were a nutjob, but now I no longer wonder.[/QUOTE]

Very strange, maybe its a bot, the chat boards are filled with them looking to cause strife

 

[Mem]

I had only suspected you were a nutjob, but now I no longer wonder.

Very strange, maybe its a bot, the chat boards are filled with them looking to cause strife[/QUOTE]

headspinning bots lol

 

[Mem]

Very strange, maybe its a bot, the chat boards are filled with them looking to cause strife

headspinning bots lol

[/QUOTE]

Apparently, the quote function is malfunctioning.... HereIsHere has been attributed to have referred to someone as a nutjob.... tho I said it, I must admit.

 

[Mem]

Very strange, maybe its a bot, the chat boards are filled with them looking to cause strife

Highlighting only the actual text that should be quoted, and clicking that 'reply' dropdown option, instead of the one offered in the bottom right, may help to resolve the confusion.

 

[HeIsHere]

Highlighting only the actual text that should be quoted, and clicking that 'reply' dropdown option, instead of the one offered in the bottom right, may help to resolve the confusion.

Something went wrong with @Bluesproverb post up above and I was too lazy to fix it cause the his words were a little "out there" so I figured why bother,

Thank you for fixing it, looks good now. Waiting to be told I called Jesus a liar sometime soon.

 

[Mem]

Thank you for fixing it, looks good now. Waiting to be told I called Jesus a liar sometime soon.

This picture comes up in my mind for such occassions.

 

[crossnote]

Good question. To me that sounds like an offer is optional but destiny is not optional. Destined to accept or reject an offer which would mean someone’s fate was sealed since before they were born. That’s not an offer then.

Seems like predestination/election would be a discussed a lot more in the Bible if it was major theological point of Christianity. Predestination information in the Bible takes up about as much room as a footnote and leaves way more questions than answers.

How many times does God have to say something before it is true?

 

[Jackson123]

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Often a believer can become confused about ...... "Salvation" ..... and how its offered and how its applied.

So, let me simplify it by explaining it..... and then show you 2 key verses that will help you to clearly see a distinction between God offering The Cross of Christ to all, but not applying it to all.

Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.
This is a one time and eternal sacrifice for ALL the sin of the world.
That is the OFFER of SALVATiON.....that is universally offered.
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.

See that?

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

So, the OFFER of Christ on the Cross is to EVERYONE, but, this Sacrifice that Christ has accomplished... .this full payment for all sin... is not given to you, is not applied to you.......unless you come to Jesus and BELIEVE by FAITH and "faith is counted as righteousness", and you are "Justified BY faith".
Jesus said..>"all that come unto me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Reader...... If you will take Christ into your heart believing in Jesus as your Savior...., then God will take you as His OWN.
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.

Verse 1 : John 1:12.. "As many as RECEIVED CHRIST BY FAITH - = God GIVES them......the POWER TO BECOME a SON/Daughter of God".
See that?
That POWER is the Holy Spirit causing your spirit to become ALIVE and "one with God", ... born again., "In Christ".


Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".

See that?
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".

Need to believe for salvation

and believe mean believe His teaching

 

[crossnote]

Need to believe for salvation

and believe mean believe His teaching

We’re saved by the Person of Jesus Christ through faith in His death and resurrection…not His teachings.

Romans 10:9-10 KJV
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.