The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

[garee]

With that Logic Jesus as a God has been reign since He say the Father give all power to me.

But there is specific time when she rule with the rod iron and Stephen with all his gang back to live and become governur, mayor etc for 1000 years

Men have ben reigning with Christ from the beginning. The first martyr Abel

Those who leave this realm under the sun the first thing is their spirit leaves their body .And then the former things will not be remember or ever come to mind.

Christ as the "Son of God" with power who has no beginning and not to be confused with the "Son of man" no power who does have a beginning. As the Son of God he remains our high priest continually with out beginning of Spirit life or end of it. The power that we rest in happened during the six days God did work as the lamb of God slain .Its what the outward demonstration thousands of years later revealed.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7 :3

 

[Jackson123]

Men have ben reigning with Christ from the beginning. The first martyr Abel

Those who leave this realm under the sun the first thing is their spirit leaves their body .And then the former things will not be remember or ever come to mind.

Christ as the "Son of God" with power who has no beginning and not to be confused with the "Son of man" no power who does have a beginning. As the Son of God he remains our high priest continually with out beginning of Spirit life or end of it. The power that we rest in happened during the six days God did work as the lamb of God slain .Its what the outward demonstration thousands of years later revealed.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7 :3

Did abel back to live and reign with Jesus for 1000 years?

 

[Dave-L]

With that Logic Jesus as a God has been reign since He say the Father give all power to me.

But there is specific time when she rule with the rod iron and Stephen with all his gang back to live and become governur, mayor etc for 1000 years

Jesus is eternally God.

 

[garee]

Did abel back to live and reign with Jesus for 1000 years?

No Abel reigned with Christ until he was murdered by the father of lies. A murderer from that beginning. The life expectancy today according to the Palms is 70 men are not living to be 1000. In the beginning some did live.

But the thousand year reign in the Bible represents a unknow .The whole new testament era called the last days. Some as it seems ignore the kind of language of Revelation needed to rightly divide . It is revealed in the opening statement verse . Not only did the Holy Spirit inspire it but signified it. Many again ignore that and literalize the book of Revelation Therefore missing out on the gospel understanding hid in the parables.

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus is eternally God.

Than He start reign without before the foundation of the earth, but rev 20 say he Will reign with Stephen and his gang for 1000 years

 

[Jackson123]

No Abel reigned with Christ until he was murdered by the father of lies. A murderer from that beginning. The life expectancy today according to the Palms is 70 men are not living to be 1000. In the beginning some did live.

But the thousand year reign in the Bible represents a unknow .The whole new testament era called the last days. Some as it seems ignore the kind of language of Revelation needed to rightly divide . It is revealed in the opening statement verse . Not only did the Holy Spirit inspire it but signified it. Many again ignore that and literalize the book of Revelation Therefore missing out on the gospel understanding hid in the parables.

What do you mean by reign with Christ?

Do you believe rev 20 talk about abel?

 

[garee]

What do you mean by reign with Christ?

Do you believe rev 20 talk about abel?

What I did mean was that God had favor or grace on Abel .He in turn sent Abel as a apostle .The gospel offended Cain that had no faith in the things not seen . And Cain proved his religious faith .Plowed his brother under the corn or wheat field .The out of sight out of mind religion of atheism (paganism) .No God in his heart. No sabbath rest like that of Abel . What God would call a fool . Abel the first martyr.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.geneisis 4:8

 

[Jackson123]

What I did mean was that God had favor or grace on Abel .He in turn sent Abel as a apostle .The gospel offended Cain that had no faith in the things not seen . And Cain proved his religious faith .Plowed his brother under the corn or wheat field .The out of sight out of mind religion of atheism (paganism) .No God in his heart. No sabbath rest like that of Abel . What God would call a fool . Abel the first martyr.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.geneisis 4:8

The story of abel Nothing to do with 1000 years kingdom

 

[Dave-L]

Than He start reign without before the foundation of the earth, but rev 20 say he Will reign with Stephen and his gang for 1000 years

He is God who rules the universe and the kingdoms of the world with a rod of iron. The 1000 years = the binding of Satan, not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

 

[Jackson123]

He is God who rules the universe and the kingdoms of the world with a rod of iron. The 1000 years = the binding of Satan, not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

So you believe Jesus always rule the world forever?

Is He rule with people that was beheaded for Jesus (Stephen) forever? He rule before the foundation of the world

Let me ask you one more time about rev 20

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those '(A) who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and (B) had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. (C) They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5

I put (A) , (B) (C) in that verse to make a question


1. Give me example who is (A) in that verse

2. Give me example who is (B) in verse 4.

3. What is (C) mean in that verse?

I hope with These 3 questions you know that verse 4 inform us, that Stephen and his gang Will rise from the dead and rule with Jesus for 1000 years

 

[Dave-L]

So you believe Jesus always rule the world forever?

Is He rule with people that was beheaded for Jesus (Stephen) forever? He rule before the foundation of the world

Let me ask you one more time about rev 20

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those '(A) who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and (B) had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. (C) They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5

I put (A) , (B) (C) in that verse to make a question


1. Give me example who is (A) in that verse

2. Give me example who is (B) in verse 4.

3. What is (C) mean in that verse?

I hope with These 3 questions you know that verse 4 inform us, that Stephen and his gang Will rise from the dead and rule with Jesus for 1000 years

Do you believe the Papacy is the Antichrist? All the Reformed and Lutheran Churches did. It's still in their creeds. The Martyrs of the Rev. 20 time period (the New Covenant era) can be seen there.

 

[Jackson123]

Do you believe the Papacy is the Antichrist? All the Reformed and Lutheran Churches did. It's still in their creeds. The Martyrs of the Rev. 20 time period (the New Covenant era) can be seen there.

Yes and the antichrist Will rule the world for 7 years.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes and the antichrist Will rule the world for 7 years.

Where does it say this?

 

[Jackson123]

Where does it say this?

Rev 13

 

[Dave-L]

Rev 13

Rev 13

3 1/2 years = 7 years?

 

[Jackson123]

3 1/2 years = 7 years?

It may 3 1/2 years but I am not sure If the first beast also reign together with 2 beast for another 3 1/2 years

 

[Dave-L]

It may 3 1/2 years but I am not sure If the first beast also reign together with 2 beast for another 3 1/2 years

Have you considered the numbers and visions are symbolic of events and conditions and not numbers at all?

 

[KhedetOrthos]

“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."

Yeah...you can add not wanting to get into the middle of a disagreement between Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement, and Chrysostom to my theological wish list. I get very careful about to pronouncements on how things are going to unfold after He gets back.

 

[Jackson123]

Have you considered the numbers and visions are symbolic of events and conditions and not numbers at all?

I do not think It is a symbol If It is, symbol of what?

 

[Dave-L]

I do not think It is a symbol If It is, symbol of what?

Numbers are symbolic in Revelation. You won't understand how to interpret them as a literalist. So it's futile trying to discuss it.