The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

[TheDivineWatermark]

When speaking of "the day of Christ" and when "that day" shall come (the same singular day, not two "days" separated by 7 years),

--"the day of Christ" [/our Lord Jesus Christ, etc] speaks of when WE ('the Church which is His body') will be UP THERE *with [G4862] Him*

--"the day of the Lord" is entirely *earthly-located* (i.e. the trib yrs [judgments unfolding upon the earth], His Second Coming to the earth [/RETURN], the earthly MK age [MK=1000 yrs])


It is NOT that they are SEPARATED by 7 yrs, NO! , but that they RUN CONCURRENTLY [7 yrs] (but in distinct locations, and with distinct PURPOSES)



[any pre-tribbers who say they are SEPARATED by 7 yrs, in not grasping what "the DOTL" actually entails, in its entirety]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT: "is not grasping"

 

[Phoneman-777]

According to Peter, there is no such thing as OSAS. Even one who is righteous can scarcely be saved, which is not what Paul would instruct us in the Body of Christ.

What a great point you make - the verse doesn’t say the righteous are scarce (they obviously are compared to all the evildoers) — it says “if the righteous scarcely be saved” which establishes many righteous will be lost! There’s no other way to interpret that except to agree with Jesus that because of the practice iniquity, “the (agape) of many shall wax cold” and dead, but only the righteous which endure until the end shall be saved.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Do you Guojing believe someone can get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ?

The devils believe Jesus went through all that yet are going to the lake o fire.

 

[Phoneman-777]

--"the day of Christ" [/our Lord Jesus Christ, etc] speaks of when WE ('the Church which is His body') will be UP THERE *with [G4862] Him*

--"the day of the Lord" is entirely *earthly-located* (i.e. the trib yrs [judgments unfolding upon the earth], His Second Coming to the earth [/RETURN], the earthly MK age [MK=1000 yrs])


It is NOT that they are SEPARATED by 7 yrs, NO! , but that they RUN CONCURRENTLY [7 yrs] (but in distinct locations, and with distinct PURPOSES)



[any pre-tribbers who say they are SEPARATED by 7 yrs, in not grasping what "the DOTL" actually entails, in its entirety]

The “coming of the Lord and our gathering together with Him” happens on the SAME DAY - the Day of the Lord - and is clearly described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV. Please read it yourself and tell me if you see anything about a 7 year trib separating His coming and our gathering to Him:

[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

See that? The Lord’s coming and our gathering are simultaneous

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What the saints could easily be saying is that the kingdoms of this world have become (to us, have been revealed as) the Lords.

As I said, it makes no sense that something God created at some point no longer belongs to him, until a future time and then belongs to him again.

As I see it, where Daniel 9:26a says (re: a certain point in the chronology), "shall Messiah be CUT OFF and have nothing" coming at a point in time when one would normally expect He should have "reigned" (instead of like the "Suffering Servant" things which happened instead to that point, which those in Acts 3 that Peter was addressing [he's saying] HAD OVERLOOKED / BYPASSED--regarding "Suffering Servant" aspect [First Advent things--whereas they only saw/expected ONE, not TWO]).

There are ONLY TWO mentions of "King" [re: Him] in all of the epistles, and both of them are "FUTURE"... one of them saying, "Which IN HIS TIMES he shall [future tense] shew [/openly manifest], who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords"

This is what I believe the passage under discussion is in reference to... Not that God, like, lost something and then it "no longer belongs to him, until" (as you put it). One could also consider what does the verse, Eph2:2, mean: "in which once you walked according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience" (seems to me to be speaking in contrast to what Eph1:10 had just said re: "for the administration of the fullness of the times" [which is NOT speaking of "in this PRESENT age [singular]" / "NOW"])

 

[Guojing]

What a great point you make - the verse doesn’t say the righteous are scarce (they obviously are compared to all the evildoers) — it says “if the righteous scarcely be saved” which establishes many righteous will be lost! There’s no other way to interpret that except to agree with Jesus that because of the practice iniquity, “the (agape) of many shall wax cold” and dead, but only the righteous which endure until the end shall be saved.

Yep, so if you are not a fan of OSAS, you can find plenty of scriptural support against that in the letters of James, Peter and John.

But if you want to practice what Paul advise us to do, to rightly divide the word of truth, you will understand that those letters hold doctrine for the Tribulation period.

During the Tribulation, it is far harder to be saved than now in the age of grace. So our message to the unsaved should be, get saved now, thru Paul's epistles.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The “coming of the Lord and our gathering together with Him” happens on the SAME DAY - the Day of the Lord - and is clearly described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV. Please read it yourself and tell me if you see anything about a 7 year trib separating His coming and our gathering to Him:

"the Day of the Lord" is entirely EARTHLY-located.

(your reference to 2Th2:1 is speaking of ONE THING ONLY--see at bottom of this post--but v.2 is covering an "EARTHLY time-period" topic, that Paul is having to tell them is not present like some ppl were TELLING them it was)

So, no... you are conflating two distinct things.

I'll explain later, when I get more time.

[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

That is "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event.

THIS ^ does not take place at His "RETURN" (see again Lk12:36-37,38,40, etc "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" --and the other passages I listed), which is "to the earth" Rev19

See that? The Lord’s coming and our gathering are simultaneous

Verse 1 (of 2Th2--your reference AT TOP) is speaking of ONE *event* ("our Rapture [IN THE AIR]").. not a spans of time, nor two distinct points in time. Agreed.

 

[Journeyman]

My understanding of the great tribulation is like this,When you think God's justice is delayed, when you think evil conquers justice, when you think Christ's enemies should be destroyed and nothing happens.
This is the patience of the saints, and this is also a test,Facing these things will make you believe in God more firmly or shake your faith.I now try to exercise my heart every day to face the Antichrist's slander against you,but still peace in heart,This is growing up in faith, In My Opinions.

You're right, except that when Jesus endured great tribulation, it was because he loved his enemies, not because he wanted them destroyed.

 

[Journeyman]

Your interpretation contradicts the plainly written text.

No it diesn't for the reason I showed you.

Jesus was not the ruler of the worldly kingdoms before the 7th trump.

People think the same thing about our heavenly Father.

People think that because Jesus didn't exact judgement against sinners, against religious leaders and the Romans who sinned against him, that he wasn't ruling over them.

Mistaking his patience and kindness and love as impotence is a bad mistake.

 

[pottersclay]

When they call good evil and evil good?

Is that like calling the (Second Coming) and Last Day Resurrection, a Pre-Trib Rapture when its not?

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Runningman]

The phrase in Matthew 24:3 is not "the end of the world," but rather "the end of the age," which Jesus had PREVIOUSLY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... when the angels [/reapers] will "reap"... and the only ones [at the point-in-time being referenced] of whom it is said (with regard to)...

--"gather ye FIRST the TARES" (said to the angels/reapers)

--and the "shall gather OUT" [but, the rest remaining where they are] at that point in the chronology

... is not "us / the Church which is His body" (because this is not speaking in reference to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event, which occurs much earlier in the chronology, than this point-in-time being referenced here).




The disciples understood correctly that "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32) FOLLOWS what they were referring to specifically in the usage of the phrase "the end of the age" in their Q of Jesus (Matt24:3). All "earthly-located".

I really have a hard time reading your posts with all of the random underlines, bold, italicizations, parentheses, brackets, all-capital letters, etc.

I mean I get you're trying to break it down and make emphasis, but I can't interpret what it means to you exactly.

Why do you italicize instead of bold? Why is it italics and bold sometimes? When something is underlined how should I read that differently than something that's not?

I feel like your posts just get lost in translation even though I want to understand your point. Thanks.

 

[Truth7t7]

The phrase in Matthew 24:3 is not "the end of the world," but rather "the end of the age," which Jesus had PREVIOUSLY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... when the angels [/reapers] will "reap"... and the only ones [at the point-in-time being referenced] of whom it is said (with regard to)...

--"gather ye FIRST the TARES" (said to the angels/reapers)

--and the "shall gather OUT" [but, the rest remaining where they are] at that point in the chronology

... is not "us / the Church which is His body" (because this is not speaking in reference to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event, which occurs much earlier in the chronology, than this point-in-time being referenced here).




The disciples understood correctly that "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32) FOLLOWS what they were referring to specifically in the usage of the phrase "the end of the age" in their Q of Jesus (Matt24:3). All "earthly-located".

In Love

You have had like 4 members tell you the same

Your postings are unreadable chaos, I dont read them, and I'm not alone.

Try just as standard sentence like this, with bold for emphasis

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I really have a hard time reading your posts with all of the random underlines, bold, italicizations, parentheses, brackets, all-capital letters, etc.

I mean I get you're trying to break it down and make emphasis, but I can't interpret what it means to you exactly.

Why do you italicize instead of bold? Why is it italics and bold sometimes? When something is underlined how should I read that differently than something that's not?

I feel like your posts just get lost in translation even though I want to understand your point. Thanks.

I've posted in online discussion boards for nearly 20 years.

When, in the past, I used to write things "just plain" (as you suggest), I noticed many times ppl overlooking things I've said, or placing their *own* ideas / meanings into certain biblical phrases I've used, etc...

So I would then have to follow up with numerous posts to "go back over it" to *explain* what I really meant, instead, which was extremely cumbersome and time-consuming to do, and ppl didn't stick around much, on those threads, to find out my actual explanation.

Some of those phrases, etc, that ppl *interpreted* their own way, but which *I* had not intended, were the very oft-misinterpreted ones... which I now try to *explain* within the text of my own post the first time, to save typing and much time, are:

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" - which many ppl incorrectly *read* as "UP IN Heaven" (which I am not intending to convey)

--"the Day of the Lord" - which many ppl incorrectly *read* as "the [24-hr-] day Jesus RETURNS* (which I am not intending to convey)

--"the wedding feast/supper" - which many ppl *read* as being UP IN Heaven, but it isn't (and which I am not intending to convey)

--and so many more...



...I trust you get the picture.




Without my *explanation* within the text of my own posts, the first time, it requires my going back to *explain* in many more posts, which I don't always have time for... and not everyone sticks around long enough to find those follow-ups... and besides, I'm the slowest typist EVER!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The devils believe Jesus went through all that yet are going to the lake o fire.

If you are referring to what is stated in James 2:19? If so, the text actually says,

"You believe that God is one. You are doing well! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!"


[or, kjv] "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."




Many false religions believe "God is one" / "there is one God"... but they completely disregard Jesus Christ.

[see Rom10:2-3... 1Jn2:23... etc]

 

[Truth7t7]

I've posted in online discussion boards for nearly 20 years.

When, in the past, I used to write things "just plain" (as you suggest), I noticed many times ppl overlooking things I've said, or placing their *own* ideas / meanings into certain biblical phrases I've used, etc...

So I would then have to follow up with numerous posts to "go back over it" to *explain* what I really meant, instead, which was extremely cumbersome and time-consuming to do, and ppl didn't stick around much, on those threads, to find out my actual explanation.

Some of those phrases, etc, that ppl *interpreted* their own way, but which *I* had not intended, were the very oft-misinterpreted ones... which I now try to *explain* within the text of my own post the first time, to save typing and much time, are:

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" - which many ppl incorrectly *read* as "UP IN Heaven" (which I am not intending to convey)

--"the Day of the Lord" - which many ppl incorrectly *read* as "the [24-hr-] day Jesus RETURNS* (which I am not intending to convey)

--"the wedding feast/supper" - which many ppl *read* as being UP IN Heaven, but it isn't (and which I am not intending to convey)

--and so many more...



...I trust you get the picture.




Without my *explanation* within the text of my own posts, the first time, it requires my going back to *explain* in many more posts, which I don't always have time for... and not everyone sticks around long enough to find those follow-ups... and besides, I'm the slowest typist EVER!

This post is what you need, I read it in 2-3 min, no problem!

I'm being serious in love, I dont read your other postings in chaos, I look at them and smile, no joke

I hope you keep it simple like this post, because I really dont believe many are reading your other chaotic postings in confusion.

In Love, Jesus Christ Is Lord!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

This post is what you need, I read it in 2-3 min, no problem!

I'm being serious in love, I dont read your other postings in chaos, I look at them and smile, no joke

I hope you keep it simple like this post, because I really dont believe many are reading your other chaotic postings in confusion.

In Love, Jesus Christ Is Lord!

Let me see if I grasp your rules correctly:

--do not use the italics feature

--do not use the size feature

--do not use the underline feature

--it's okay to use the color feature (as long as it's only the blue or red)... and the bold feature... or any combination of these two features

--I'm unsure what your rules are regarding the strike-through feature ( strike-through ), is it okay to use that, according to you?

 

[Truth7t7]

Let me see if I grasp your rules correctly:

--do not use the italics feature

--do not use the size feature

--do not use the underline feature

--it's okay to use the color feature (as long as it's only the blue or red)... and the bold feature... or any combination of these two features

--I'm unsure what your rules are regarding the strike-through feature ( strike-through ), is it okay to use that, according to you?

I tried in love, in return sarcasm

Have it your way, it appears your fully aware of what's up

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I tried in love, in return sarcasm

Have it your way, it appears your fully aware of what's up

Wow, now you're *reading into* my motives, too.

I was not being sarcastic.

I'm trying to make a note for myself beside my computer to remind myself that when posting with certain posters, not to use certain features supplied by this forum. It's not easy to keep it all straight, as to who prefers what, so I was asking YOU which way YOU prefer it... in precise detail, so as not to offend.

What's wrong with that, now?

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow, now you're *reading into* my motives, too.

I was not being sarcastic.

I'm trying to make a note for myself beside my computer to remind myself that when posting with certain posters, not to use certain features supplied by this forum. It's not easy to keep it all straight, as to who prefers what, so I was asking YOU which way YOU prefer it... in precise detail, so as not to offend.

What's wrong with that, now?

This post is great, read it in 20 seconds, keep it going!

Jesus Christ Is Lord!