The Lord Jesus and His Holy Scriptures are One (The Scripture Personified) Pt. 1 & 2

[ChosenbyHim]

It is, in the original writings. Translation necessarily de-perfects His word because perfect translation is impossible.

CS1, Where do you get this Idea that the word of God is only perfect in the original writings?

I know you are not getting it from the Bible itself.

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.

Like I said... thanks for demonstrating that you have no credibility. You're a cultist.

CS1, How am I a cultist for simply edifying a brother in Christ to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the word of God?

 

[CS1]

Jesus is the Word of God and The KJV is the word of God.

While Jesus did not have the KJV in His day, since there was no English language in His day. Yet though, He did have the Hebrew Scriptures though. And the Hebrew Scriptures were the Seed of the Bible. The English Bible (King James Bible) of our day is the Matured and completed Bible.





The NIV is corrupt. There are approximately 64,000 words removed from the NIV. This is a fact. I am strongly against the NIV since it attacks the Doctrine of the Deity of Jesus Christ in a number of places.

Ok fine I want you to know in the initial posting of your thread you did not make it known you were the person in the video. why? That is deceptive. secondly the term "inspired and inerrant word of God" has been known for original called " autographs". We do not have it. What we do have are copies of the original and none of them were written by King james or in the original copied down in kings english. So we have three dead languages( unchanged), Hebrew, Greek , and latin. Kings english was not one of them. Now is the Greek translation of the Old Testament Jesus quoted Septuagint more authoritative of less than the KJV? before you answer please remember Jesus never used a KJV but HE did read from the Septuagint. When you say the KJV is to be worshiped I asked you where does it say we are to do so of the KJV? You did not provide any scripture to support your claim. Jesus is the word of God the KJV has recorded the word of God but the KJV is not to be worshipped . The term "Worship the word of God " is not even said in the KJV period.

Not even " Worship Gods word" found in the KJV. NOT even in the KJV does it say " Worship the Word of the Lord".

But it does say in context to the word of God :

• Hear the word of God
• speak the word of God
• receive the word of God
• Preach the word of God
• the word of God is to grow in you
• Teach the word of God
• Hearing of the word of God
• Handling of the word of God

And many many more applications of the word of God. but not of the KJV.

Your video :

One you do not provide your name, your back ground of learning and your so-called scholarly critique. You assume those who read the KJV and other translation do not trust the KJV and other ones. In context to you dismissing theologians it is in the Video. You did not name them other than the location in Egypt .

"CS1, we understand that Jesus Christ is our very Saviour who hath saved us from our sins and hath given unto us eternal life. It is also good to understand though that the word of God also saved us and hath quickened us."

Jesus is Lord and it is HIS words that have quickness us by the Holy Spirit not the KJV. Also you did not quote Charles Spurgeon correctly if you think he was KJV only. You were ill=equipped to provide the KJV only doctrine. You assume CS was speaking of the KJV hey he did not even mention the KJV why? LOL.

Charles Spurgeon semon on the


BIBLE"

Charles Spurgeon:

"I come here tonight in God’s stead, my friends, to plead with you as God’s ambassador, to charge many of you with a sin, to lay it to your hearts by the power of the Spirit, so that you may be convinced of sin, of righteousness, and of a judgment to come. The crime I charge you with is the sin of the text. God has written to you the great things of His law, but they have been unto you as a strange thing. It is concerning this blessed book, the Bible, that I mean to speak tonight." ( NO. 15 sermon CS)
HE did not say the KJV or even mentioned it. Shocking.

ref:
Taken from The C. H. Spurgeon Collection, Version 1.0, Ages Software. Only necessary changes have been made, such as correcting spelling errors, some punctuation usage, capitalization of deity pronouns, and minimal updating of a few archaic words. The content is unabridged. Additional Bible-based resources are available at www.spurgeongems.org.

 

[CS1]

CS1, Where do you get this Idea that the word of God is only perfect in the original writings?

I know you are not getting it from the Bible itself.

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.



CS1, How am I a cultist for simply edifying a brother in Christ to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the word of God?

where do you get the idea the KJV is perfect ? You know you are not getting that from the Bible itself .

right back at you ?
A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember ChosenbyHim, that there were inspired translations from the original autographs.

 

[CS1]

CS1, Where do you get this Idea that the word of God is only perfect in the original writings?

I know you are not getting it from the Bible itself.

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.



CS1, How am I a cultist for simply edifying a brother in Christ to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the word of God?

well you assume that those who are not KJV only are not right with God and assume that one think that the KJV is not the word of God. FYI most Calvinist of a theological liberal position hold to that understanding they say it Contains the word of God . But you were deceptive in not letting one know you were the one speaking in the video. You proved no resources , no ref to the information you used. You touted this video and it is a bunch of positional opinions preaching to the choir of things you assume we do not know.

 

[Dino246]

CS1, Where do you get this Idea that the word of God is only perfect in the original writings?

I know you are not getting it from the Bible itself.

First, I'm not CS1...

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it.

I know you're not getting that from the Bible itself.

What God could do is not in question; what He has done is. He has not inspired a translation of the Bible, only the originals. The word of God is inspired, but the wording of the translation is not.

God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words.

A text without its context becomes a pretext. God promised to preserve (something) from a wicked generation. You can believe what you like, but until you can prove it with actual evidence, it remains only your opinion.

And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.

There are translations within Scripture, yes, and as such, those are inspired. However, that is no evidence a translation of Scripture is inspired. You're comparing apples to pebbles.

CS1, How am I a cultist for simply edifying a brother in Christ to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the word of God?

What makes you think either that I am not or do not desire "to go on unto perfection" or that I do not "have complete faith and trust in the word of God"?

You're a cultist because you hold to cultic thinking about the KJV. You're trying to dodge by claiming the good things you believe. The Jehovah's Witnesses use exactly the same tactic.

 

[posthuman]

Posthuman, What is wrong with that statement I made?

How many languages was Peter speaking in, at Pentecost?

 

[garee]

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.

I use the king James mainly but do not think a private interpretations (personal commentary) like that of the paraphrasers is perfect .

2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I am no scholar but it seems easy to see There could be many errors. One I know for certainty has to do with the word "rest" (Sabbath) .

Not only in the king James but many translations were influence by adding a "time element" called week. Destroying the foundation of the word rest. Taking away the true rest wherever we hear his voice and do not harden our hearts. But empowered to work with him to both will and do His good pleasure. Adding a time element week destroys "today" (day and night) we can enter that rest, being yoked with him the burden is much lighter . No Saturday or Sunday fill ups. We walk by faith .The place of rest.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV)Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

In the Youngs literal he translates it properly in Mathew 28 giving us the proper understanding but in other 8 times the word rests (Sabbaths) plural remains week. The Greek at that time period did not use the word week .

The Holy Spirit was simply introducing the new era of rests . A day set aside where are person was free to bring the true fast spoken of in Isaiah 58 as that which is heard on high. His seal of approval. Bringing the gospel accompanied with worldly goods

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

The reference to giving a tithe and fasting twice a week reveals the prejudice of some who desire to turn a shadow as a ceremonial law, into the works righteousness they could perform . Fighting over which day can we feel proud

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

The fast at that time period includes 3 what they call kosher meals blessed by the hands of corrupted mankind . He was bragging he only ate two . The tithe and fast was all one thing performed on the same day. Not week

Therefore destroying the foundation of the word by those who do not mix faith in what they see or hear .They do not enter his rest from their own works. . .But rather offering shadows of the rest we have from within .So that we can both hear the will and do the good purpose of God working in us.

 

[garee]

How many languages was Peter speaking in, at Pentecost?

All of them . The Holy Spirit interpreted the words and gave the understanding to each (personal relationship) as two walking together. Not, I heard it through the grape vine.

.He does not offer private interpretations. Those of men as personal commentaries . But understandable words of the unseen Spirit.

The new tongue of the believer (the gospel) is that by which the apostles prophesied it, as it is written was able to cast out lying spirits

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 

[Dino246]

The Holy Spirit interpreted the words and gave the understanding to each (personal relationship) as two walking together.

That's not correct. Verse 2:4 says that they began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance, not that they spoke their own tongue and the Holy Spirit translated it between their mouths and the hearers' ears.

 

[garee]

That's not correct. Verse 2:4 says that they began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance, not that they spoke their own tongue and the Holy Spirit translated it between their mouths and the hearers' ears.

As who gave them utterance (understanding) Peter?

Right back to the same place . Nothing proves nothing.. . evidence demands a verdict not a wonder .

Yes. with their new tongues they spoke ...God interpreted, and they with their new tongues did the same by the same spirit of faith. (Christ's not of us).

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Isaiah 28:11 So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.
In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. 13 So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw. Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

The same law revisited in the new testament.

1 Corinthians 14: 2220 Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. As the Scriptures say, “Using those who speak a different language and using the lips of foreigners, I will speak to these people. But "even then" they will not obey me.”
This is what the Lord says. And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers. 23 Suppose the whole church meets together and you all speak in different languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don’t believe, they will say you are crazy.

Makes me wonder?? Do the oral traditions of men make the word of God without effect or do they support ?

 

[Dino246]

As who gave them utterance (understanding) Peter?

As the SPIRIT gave them utterance.

Utterance is speech, not understanding.

 

[CS1]

How many languages was Peter speaking in, at Pentecost?

peter spoke in the KJV and the NIV pre 1984, and the NASB, Latin, Greek and Hebrew

 

[garee]

As the SPIRIT gave them utterance.

Utterance is speech, not understanding.

Exactly! Understanding come from speech (words) . Not non-speech .I made a noise and was slain in the spirit, filled me up..

 

[garee]

CS1, Where do you get this Idea that the word of God is only perfect in the original writings?

I know you are not getting it from the Bible itself.

A perfect and inspired translation is not impossible when God is in it. God promised to keep His words (Psalm 12:6-7) and I believe that includes even the translation of His words. And Remember CS1, that there were inspired translations even in the original autographs.



CS1, How am I a cultist for simply edifying a brother in Christ to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the word of God?

I would offer another perspective.

Most but not all would agree that we walk or understand the things of God by what is called "faith", (the unseen principle or law) . Believing God not seen. But not according to a law of men called the "law of the fathers" .They have no faith that comes from hearing God and show it their action . Paul as Saul (Acts 22)followed the law of the fathers killing believers.

Murdering the misconceived competition, the Christians. Saul was sent with letters of approval from the high priest. It establishes the foundation of Paganism . What I call; "out of sight out of mind". We are said to have the mind of Christ. In that way the one source of faith

The kingdom of God comes not with observation what the eyes see.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

I would then add denominations' are a design of God .I would think as a safeguard of not killings each other the foundation of paganism . Like Cain took Abel out into the field (out of sight out of mind) Murdering the first recorded martyr, the prophet, apostle .

The Bible informs mankind there must be heresies amongst us .Heresy is the word "sect" or "denomination" In that way those who say they are non-denominational are identified as Bible believers who do not lord it over the flock. .Just as do the majority have that hope

Having said that, there must be differences interpretation or understanding . We are still under the Sun. The kingdoms as sects or denomination of this world have not become the sects or denominations in the new. When we receive the promise of our new incorruptible bodies then will have perfect peace .Men paraphrase differently like fingerprints

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

If the unrighteous Pharisees with Sadducees (law of the fathers) could set aside there differences for a unjust cause . You could say like those who followed the same law of the fathers, Catholics of Rome with Eastern Orthodox Catholics.

We could also do the work.

The damnable heresies ( Queen of heaven) do despite to the grace of God.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Many use more than one translation when studying to seek the approval of our God. . That can be seen by the four gospels . work is required to honor our God. Faith is needed to perform it. . Four in the bible like with gospels does seem to represent universal; north south east and west also the number of trial, testing .

 

[Dino246]

Exactly! Understanding come from speech (words) . Not non-speech .I made a noise and was slain in the spirit, filled me up..

This thread is not about tongues. Don't drag that issue in here.

 

[lenna]

I'm certainly not near the Christian that you think you are. I'm more like Peter and Paul, men who did the things they didn't want to do and didn't do the things they want to do... You know, real Christians who realize that they are not perfect.

LOL! I can vouch for name calling efforts as you have laid some real doozies on me when I offered questions that you could not answer.

If the KJ Bible instructs you that way, or actually you read it that way (cause I know it doesn't since I am quite familiar with it, was raised on it) then maybe put it down.

You are no judge of who is and who is not real here. Don't hurt your arm while patting yourself on the back.

 

[lenna]

Luckily I’m accountable to Jesus and not religious folk, so why don’t you worry about you and I’ll worry about me. Fair enough?

One last thing, the term dumb ass comes from the Bible.... dumb ass.

I find it hard to believe you are not actually using the phrase 'dumb ass' as yet another of your sly way of slinging a name

you do that sort of thing all the time

keep it up though and maybe we won't be reading your posts much longer.

 

[garee]

This thread is not about tongues. Don't drag that issue in here.

It was not about tongues or different translations but the "manner of spirit". the kind that can cause discourse flesh and blood against or where sparks fly.

How can we hear God not seen? Most translations preach the gospel successfully .If God applies his Spirit as the teacher many beleive . We can plant or water with the doctrines of God . . he does the teaching and growing if any. To say we are limited to one translation becomes a works righteousness, self edifying.

It could be a sign a person is not walking by faith? Therefore having that faith in respect to their favorite author, taking away the authority of the Holy Spirit who is fully capable of preserving the gospel through the many different ways or the oral traditions of men. Its the oral traditions of corrupted mankind that makes Christ's faith without effect. They having their own foundation based on "out of sight out of mind." . atheism, paganism

 

[lenna]

Soooo, where are God’s preserved words in the English language? God preserved His words in English...where? Where are the exact English words preserved for English speakers?

Websters Dictionary?

 

[lenna]

You realize that you're going to get some circular reasoning in response to this question, right? The KJV-onlyists believe that the KJV is inspired because that is a necessity to believing that it is the perfect preserved word of God in English.

Hold on to the unmerry-go-round!