The Lord had said to Abram
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The history of Israel are the examples to all the world that God is. That is the light of Israel.
God has chosen not to take a few , not a city, or state, but a nation as an example to all that what he has spoken he shall do.
Through all the mountains and valleys that Israel has gone through it is a testimony as to what God has spoken through his prophets to be undisputed fact.
When Israel was right with the Lord they were strong and prospered. When they turned away from God they were taken over and defeated. The same goes for you and I. But here's the best thing to be sure of. If you are in Christ he will never forsake or leave you.
No other nation in the world was born again in one day. And note this all the other empires that came against him are no more.
Today they are but a sliver of land in the middle east but it's God land of promise.
God has chosen not to take a few , not a city, or state, but a nation as an example to all that what he has spoken he shall do.
Through all the mountains and valleys that Israel has gone through it is a testimony as to what God has spoken through his prophets to be undisputed fact.
When Israel was right with the Lord they were strong and prospered. When they turned away from God they were taken over and defeated. The same goes for you and I. But here's the best thing to be sure of. If you are in Christ he will never forsake or leave you.
No other nation in the world was born again in one day. And note this all the other empires that came against him are no more.
Today they are but a sliver of land in the middle east but it's God land of promise.
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The nation of Israel exists and is sustained by the power of God. As prophesied, it is the nation created in one day. God also foretold the enmity between the descendants of Isaac and of Ishmael, i.e. Jews and Arabs. The modern nation of Israel should have been still born. 5 nations attacked Israel the moment she declared independence. In spite of Israel's poor military, small population and limited resources, she defeated 5 superior armies.
One of God's elite, Derek Prince, was living in Jerusalem when Israel was invaded. He told about the miraculous events that led to the defeat of Israel's enemies.
Whatever her faults, and they are many, Israel is the only democracy in an ocean of tyrannical Muslim states. Israel has few natural resources and only a scrap of land. There is no logical reason for the world to hate her. Yet much of the world is hostile. Why? It is a spiritual clash.
If you knew any history, you would know that Israel was legally constituted. You would know that there never were any Palestinians. You would know that Arabs were exhorted to leave Israel by the 5 attacking nations, who arrogantly assumed that Israel would be destroyed and occupied by Arabs. You would also know that the land now occupied by Jordan was originally intended to be a separate for the Arabs who lived in so-called Palestine.
You would also know that the British did their best to hinder the formation of the state of Israel. They also tried to hinder Israel getting weapons to defend themselves. Israel's population includes around 2.1 million Arabs. Check out the surround Muslim nations and see how many Jews live there. The Muslim overlords have driven most of them out. Who is committing genocide? Who are the terrorists? Hint: not Israel.
One of God's elite, Derek Prince, was living in Jerusalem when Israel was invaded. He told about the miraculous events that led to the defeat of Israel's enemies.
Whatever her faults, and they are many, Israel is the only democracy in an ocean of tyrannical Muslim states. Israel has few natural resources and only a scrap of land. There is no logical reason for the world to hate her. Yet much of the world is hostile. Why? It is a spiritual clash.
If you knew any history, you would know that Israel was legally constituted. You would know that there never were any Palestinians. You would know that Arabs were exhorted to leave Israel by the 5 attacking nations, who arrogantly assumed that Israel would be destroyed and occupied by Arabs. You would also know that the land now occupied by Jordan was originally intended to be a separate for the Arabs who lived in so-called Palestine.
You would also know that the British did their best to hinder the formation of the state of Israel. They also tried to hinder Israel getting weapons to defend themselves. Israel's population includes around 2.1 million Arabs. Check out the surround Muslim nations and see how many Jews live there. The Muslim overlords have driven most of them out. Who is committing genocide? Who are the terrorists? Hint: not Israel.
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I haven't lived long enough to grasp the whole picture of anti-semitism throughout history, but it's not right.
I think all believers past, future, and present will be one people of God. Jesus will have one flock (John 10:16). So I would apply most of the things in 1 Peter to all believers.
I think all believers past, future, and present will be one people of God. Jesus will have one flock (John 10:16). So I would apply most of the things in 1 Peter to all believers.
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I think 1 Peter 2:10 is alluding to Hosea 2:23, which is talking about the people of Israel (see also Hosea Chapters 1-2)
Yes, God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was mentioned in Exodus 2:24; 6:4-5, but I think the covenant in Exodus 19:5 is the same as the covenant ratified by the people in Exodus 24:7-8, which would be related to the Law and not the covenant with Abraham.
Deuteronomy 5:28 (NKJV) says that the Israelites "are right in all that they have spoken". Therefore, fearing to come into God's presence was not one of their transgressions. Hebrews 9:8 says: "the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing." God was not ready to let everyone into His presence until after Jesus died and the veil was torn (Hebrews 10:19-20). They could still be holy even if they were not all priests. But you are right that the Law only produced slaves, never sons of God (Galatians 4:3-7, 24)
1 Peter 2:10 is quoting Hosea 2:23, which is talking about the elect remnant of the people of Israel. But yes, other believers are also grafted into the same olive tree and are one people who obtain mercy. Yes, Romans Chapters 2-4 also explain that Jews and Gentiles are saved in the same way.
Yes, God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was mentioned in Exodus 2:24; 6:4-5, but I think the covenant in Exodus 19:5 is the same as the covenant ratified by the people in Exodus 24:7-8, which would be related to the Law and not the covenant with Abraham.
Deuteronomy 5:28 (NKJV) says that the Israelites "are right in all that they have spoken". Therefore, fearing to come into God's presence was not one of their transgressions. Hebrews 9:8 says: "the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing." God was not ready to let everyone into His presence until after Jesus died and the veil was torn (Hebrews 10:19-20). They could still be holy even if they were not all priests. But you are right that the Law only produced slaves, never sons of God (Galatians 4:3-7, 24)
1 Peter 2:10 is quoting Hosea 2:23, which is talking about the elect remnant of the people of Israel. But yes, other believers are also grafted into the same olive tree and are one people who obtain mercy. Yes, Romans Chapters 2-4 also explain that Jews and Gentiles are saved in the same way.
Being right was the judgment of the people. The people told Moses to go into the presence of God in their stead. So, instead of becoming priests themselves, who can hear God, only 1 tribe in 12 were given that privilege under the Law.
Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off. Then they said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.
Moses recounts this moment in Deuteronomy 5
"4 The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5 I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain"
The people did not go up for fear. They were to be ready and the priests were to consecrate themselves. When the trumpet sounded they were to come near the mountain.
"When the trumpet sounds long, they shall come near the mountain.”
But, they were not ready. So it was recorded "the people stood afar off".
Instead of liberty ("Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.") they became slaves. The Law preserved the lives of the Jews but the Jews could not keep their end of the Law. When one party upholds their end of a deal and another defaults, those who default become debtors to the other. Because God preserved and supported their lives (according to the Law) the Jews only had their lives to give. This is why they became slaves. And this was part of the curse that Christ was sent to break.
Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off. Then they said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.
Moses recounts this moment in Deuteronomy 5
"4 The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5 I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain"
The people did not go up for fear. They were to be ready and the priests were to consecrate themselves. When the trumpet sounded they were to come near the mountain.
"When the trumpet sounds long, they shall come near the mountain.”
But, they were not ready. So it was recorded "the people stood afar off".
Instead of liberty ("Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.") they became slaves. The Law preserved the lives of the Jews but the Jews could not keep their end of the Law. When one party upholds their end of a deal and another defaults, those who default become debtors to the other. Because God preserved and supported their lives (according to the Law) the Jews only had their lives to give. This is why they became slaves. And this was part of the curse that Christ was sent to break.
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