The key to the Pre-Trib Rapture:

[TheDivineWatermark]

That ole KJV trusty sword, time honored for 410 years states (End Of The World)
Are you quoting from a counterfeit, supported by the (Novum Testamentum Graece) a Greek Text created by Adulterers (Kurt and Barbara Aland), and homosexual Union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini) that supports the NIV, NASB, ESV, Etc
Matthew 13:38-39KJV
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

No... I'm referring to what shows here (select "Strong's"): Matthew 13 (KJV) - The enemy that sowed them (blueletterbible.org), namely, under G165 ...

[scroll down to see Thayer's Greek Lexicon (what I quoted from, in my previous post)]
- G165 - aiōn - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) (blueletterbible.org)

[repeating the quote here]

3. As the Jews distinguished הַזֶּה הָעוֹלָם the time before the Messiah, and הַבָּא הַעוֹלָם, the time after the advent of the Messiah (cf. Riehm, Lehrb. d. Hebräerbr., p. 204ff; [Schürer, § 29, 9]), so most of the N. T. writers distinguish ὁ αἰὼν οὗτος this age (also simply ὁ αἰών, Matthew 13:22; Mark 4:19 G L T Tr WH; ὁ ἐνεστὼς αἰών, Galatians 1:4; ὁ νῦν αἰών, 1 Timothy 6:17; [2 Timothy 4:10]; Titus 2:12), the time before the appointed return or truly Messianic advent of Christ (i. e., the παρουσία, which see), the period of instability, weakness, impiety, wickedness, calamity, misery — and αἰὼν μέλλων the future age (also ὁ αἰὼν ἐκεῖνος, Luke 20:35; ὁ αἰὼν ὁ ἐρχόμενος, Luke 18:30; Mark 10:30; οἱ αἰῶνες οἱ ἐπερχόμενοι, Ephesians 2:7), i. e., the age after the return of Christ in majesty, the period of the consummate establishment of the divine kingdom and all its blessings: Matthew 12:32; Ephesians 1:21; cf. Fritzsche on Romans, vol. 3:22f.

[end quoting]

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I think any interlinear shows G165 in that text

 

[Truth7t7]

No... I'm referring to what shows here (select "Strong's"): Matthew 13 (KJV) - The enemy that sowed them (blueletterbible.org), namely, under G165 ...

[scroll down to see Thayer's Greek Lexicon (what I quoted from, in my previous post)]
- G165 - aiōn - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) (blueletterbible.org)

[repeating the quote here]

3. As the Jews distinguished הַזֶּה הָעוֹלָם the time before the Messiah, and הַבָּא הַעוֹלָם, the time after the advent of the Messiah (cf. Riehm, Lehrb. d. Hebräerbr., p. 204ff; [Schürer, § 29, 9]), so most of the N. T. writers distinguish ὁ αἰὼν οὗτος this age (also simply ὁ αἰών, Matthew 13:22; Mark 4:19 G L T Tr WH; ὁ ἐνεστὼς αἰών, Galatians 1:4; ὁ νῦν αἰών, 1 Timothy 6:17; [2 Timothy 4:10]; Titus 2:12), the time before the appointed return or truly Messianic advent of Christ (i. e., the παρουσία, which see), the period of instability, weakness, impiety, wickedness, calamity, misery — and αἰὼν μέλλων the future age (also ὁ αἰὼν ἐκεῖνος, Luke 20:35; ὁ αἰὼν ὁ ἐρχόμενος, Luke 18:30; Mark 10:30; οἱ αἰῶνες οἱ ἐπερχόμενοι, Ephesians 2:7), i. e., the age after the return of Christ in majesty, the period of the consummate establishment of the divine kingdom and all its blessings: Matthew 12:32; Ephesians 1:21; cf. Fritzsche on Romans, vol. 3:22f.

[end quoting]

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I think any interlinear shows G165 in that text

King James Translators

I'm showing you what 60 King James Translators Wrote, Qualified Beyond Comparison to Strongs, Thayer, or what any other writer would claim, as seen in the link above.

That ole KJV trusty sword, time honored for 410 years states (The End Of The World)

Matthew 13:38-39KJV
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

 

[cv5]

I do not know of anyone who believes what your opinion is of Daniel.

Daniel was talking in YEARS not days my friend.

Because Israel failed to repent of the sin which caused the captivity, the law called for an additional 490 years of punishment. This prophecy involved exactly 490 years or the period of time that Israel should have been punished. This 490 period can be looked at as probationary time.

The people were allowed back in the land and Israel was again formed; however, the people did receive punishment as the kingdom was taken away. Additionally, for approximately 2500 years, from 586 BC until 1948, the nation was under the authority of a foreign power. Israel never again had a king from the messianic line of David to sit and rule.

In Daniel 9:24, the time frame for the prophecy was set for 70 weeks. The Hebrew word for week, shabuwa, literally means seven. The context determines whether it means weeks of a month or it could mean seven of years. The context of Daniel 9 determines it meant seven of years or 70x7 (weeks of years) which would equal 490 years. The 490 years also perfectly matches the period of time for the additional punishment under the law of Moses.

The idea that this Hebrew word for week could mean seven years can be seen when Jacob was taking a wife. He was tricked into marrying Leah, but he actually wanted to marry Rachel her sister. He was then told he would have to work one week (shabuwa) for Rachel which actually was seven years. Jacob agreed to work for the seven years, and he was given Rachel to marry. The Scriptures to show this follow:


Genesis 29:26 “And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. (27) Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. (28) And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.”

Now any elementry student can undersatnd Daniel 9:2 which explains the WEEKS and then being YEARS..............
"In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

430-70 (time served) = 360 (Ezek 4, 2Chr 36)
360 X 7 = 2520 (Lev 26)

Captivity of the nation 607BC (first seige of Nebuchadnezzar) + 2520 years = May 14, 1948
Desolations of Jerusalem 587BC (third siege of Nebuchadnezzar) + 2520 years = June 7, 1967

BTW......the precise date of the start and finish of the Desolations of Jerusalem are noted in Ezek 24:1-2 and Hag 2:10......!

Read the complete dissertation here it is entirely interesting. And timely to be sure.

www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

 

[Truth7t7]

430-70 (time served) = 360 (Ezek 4, 2Chr 36)
360 X 7 = 2520 (Lev 26)

Captivity of the nation 607BC (first seige of Nebuchadnezzar) + 2520 years = May 14, 1948
Desolations of Jerusalem 587BC (third siege of Nebuchadnezzar) + 2520 years = June 7, 1967

BTW......the precise date of the start and finish of the Desolations of Jerusalem are noted in Ezek 24:1-2 and Hag 2:10......!

Read the complete dissertation here it is entirely interesting. And timely to be sure.

www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

It's Really Simple, No Calculator Needed

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[cv5]

^ EDIT to ADD to my Post #376 (PARTIAL LISTING):


Jesus spoke of it [what we call the EARTHLY MK age] throughout His entire earthly ministry... every time that He spoke of:

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS"

--"the age [SINGULAR] to come"

--"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER"

--the "G347 - 'shall sit down' [around a table/at a meal]"

--the TWO times He referred to "RETURN" [re: Himself],
Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN," and
Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and their parallels], "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..."
(i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom), THEN the meal [G347]

--the times He told "the 12" they would "sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel"

--when He referred to "in the regeneration when..." (that ^ reference [one of them])... "when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of His glory" Matt19:28 [<--this being His EARTHLY "throne" upon His RETURN to the earth (there will be NO "goats" in Heaven, for example, Matt25:31-34 [parallel parts of Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50])]

--ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" references (referring to His RETURN to the earth; NOT "our Rapture") to "judge and to reign"

--a number of times when the "BLESSED" is made reference to (8-10 times total, including elsewhere in Scripture like Dan12:12 and Rev19:9, etc)

--"...the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven" Daniel 7:27 (which follows the specific time-period referred to in v.25, parallel to other time-related passages speaking of the same 2nd half of the future trib yrs)... again, not referring to "UP IN Heaven" in this text

--many more references...

UP UNTIL the time that He spoke His Olivet Discourse (and INCLUDING IT), He had NOT YET spoken to them ANYTHING about anything else but [what we call] "the promised AND PROPHESIED *earthly* Millennial Kingdom".

Totally agree. The Scriptural evidence is vast and overwhelming.
It's not a matter of if but how soon...

Acts 1:6-7
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

 

[cv5]

It's Really Simple, No Calculator Needed

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I think you completely missed the point that I was making. But go ahead and read through that link it is absolutely fascinating.

 

[cv5]

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation, it starts when the Antichrist is revealed in Revelation 13:5 and hes given power 42 months or 3.5 years, that includes his power for any peace treaty.

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

For the life of me I can't understand why some of this isn't sinking in. We are praying for you my friend.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

"If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years), simple"

What would you say was the duration of time meant by the following phrase found in Daniel (more than once in Dan4):

"Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him." - Dan4:16

...what's this, "seven TIMES"??

I'm wanting to hear from *you*... is this "days" or "years" or "____," what??

I mean, IF he had meant "YEARS," why did he not write "years" here?? Perhaps you believe he meant some other duration of time? What duration of time do you believe he MEANT here, since he did NOT write "years" in this verse (and others like it)?


Do you think it's possible that Daniel used a variety of terms to speak of the same concepts??

 

[Truth7t7]

"If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years), simple"

What would you say was the duration of time meant by the following phrase found in Daniel (more than once in Dan4):

"Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him." - Dan4:16

...what's this, "seven TIMES"??

I'm wanting to hear from *you*... is this "days" or "years" or "____," what??

I mean, IF he had meant "YEARS," why did he not write "years" here?? Perhaps you believe he meant some other duration of time? What duration of time do you believe he MEANT here, since he did NOT write "years" in this verse (and others like it)?


Do you think it's possible that Daniel used a variety of terms to speak of the same concepts??

Daniel 4:16 Has absolutely nothing to do with Daniel 9:24 below, Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple.

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[cv5]

Daniel 4:16 Has absolutely nothing to do with Daniel 9:24 below, Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple.

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Truth7t7]

"If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years), simple"

What would you say was the duration of time meant by the following phrase found in Daniel (more than once in Dan4):

"Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him." - Dan4:16

...what's this, "seven TIMES"??

I'm wanting to hear from *you*... is this "days" or "years" or "____," what??

I mean, IF he had meant "YEARS," why did he not write "years" here?? Perhaps you believe he meant some other duration of time? What duration of time do you believe he MEANT here, since he did NOT write "years" in this verse (and others like it)?

Do you think it's possible that Daniel used a variety of terms to speak of the same concepts??

To better understand that the seventy weeks arent 490 years you look at verse 26-27, after 62 weeks the antichrist comes to destroy the city causing desolation, and will be present on earth, causing desolation in Jerusalem (Even Until The Consummation) The Ultimate End, in the second coming, Its That Simple.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[MattforJesus]

More accurately stated the man of sin is revealed when he makes a peace TREATY with Israel.
Which correlates with the first seal being opened. Which is the beginning of the seven year tribulation.

The statements that you posted or absolutely true by the way. This nonsense about racism in America is nothing more than some kind of a globalist/government plot to divide and destroy the nation.

"America is now the least racist white majority society in the world. Has a better record of legal protections of minorites than any other societies white or black. Offers more opportunities to a greater number of black persons than any other society, including all those of Africa".

True, the man of sin will be revealed when he establishes that peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians and we will know the identity of him and it starts the 7 years period but he will not claim to be God until the middle of the 7 years period and the falling away is at the end of the first three and one half years.

If Black Americans are going to cry about America then they would have to cry about the world for they have it better in America than anywhere else in the world including Africa.

And there is no oppression for as long as there are Black Americans that are rich, millionaires, and do all the jobs that white people do, and have fame, then there is no oppression for what is stopping them from making it big too.

What is oppressive is their decision making for they make bad choices.

And white guilt does not apply for nobody is guilty for the sins of other people.

God said the fathers are not responsible for the sins of the son, and the son is not responsible for the sins of the father, but everybody is responsible for their own sins.

It does not matter if your father is Hitler if you do not go along with him you are not guilty.

If a Black American shoots a white person, or steals from them, or offends them, then they are all guilty with that reasoning.

And white privilege does not apply for Black Americans will give Black Americans privilege.

That is the way of the world.

God said they accuse and excuse each other which they point their finger and accuse and make excuses for themselves and their people but everybody acts the same.

All nations and ethnic groups push for power but when they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive and cruel, but if they had the power they would push it too.

The truth is that they are mad that they are not on top but they want to be on top.

If they are out there playing the game of the world, and the same game as the white people, and doing the same thing as the white people, and even worse, then why do they talk about the white people.

But they want a global government so they have to put everyone on an equal level, and harmonize them, and knock the white people down, and bring the minorities up.

So they wanted Black Lives Matter to cry for equality, and tear down statues, and loot and steal, and did not want the police to do too much about it.

That is why they want the Asian communities to cry out against prejudism and then they can start putting hate crimes in to place with punishment which will extend to not going against anybody that is different for it will be against the law.

Which it is good to have equality but they want a global government that is not according to the will of God so their equality and harmonizing the people is not something good if it leads to that.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@Truth7t7 (per your Post #391), I've said it a million times, "the END [consummation, SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]" [Matt13] IS at His Second Coming to the earth Rev19 (NOT at "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" point in time);

Jesus had already spoken of what FOLLOWS that, in His previous talk with his disciples, in the previous chpt before chpt 13 ( when He spoke of "the AGE [SINGULAR] to COME")


It WILL INDEED be the END/CONSUMMATION of *that*.

 

[Hevosmies]

God help us with the rapturemania... its running wild!

I was very into the HULKAMANIA. Whatchu gonna do when hulkamania runs wild on you BROTHER?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

"3 that day [the one referred to in the previous verse, v.2] will NOT be present, if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST*..." [the event spoken of in v.1]... Paul REPEATS this SEQUENCE 3x in this chpt. Clear as a bell.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It WILL INDEED be the END/CONSUMMATION of *that*.

To be perfectly clear to the readers... by "the END/CONSUMMATION of *that*... by the word *that*, I mean that this occurs at the end of the TRIB (at His Second Coming to the earth, Rev19).




--"the end of the age" (CONCLUDING at the END of the TRIB, when the angels will "REAP" Matt13) precedes "the age TO COME" (the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age [SINGULAR]")

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

What do each of THESE passages *have to do* with Dan9... that Dan4 (4x) does not? EACH passage is supplying a "duration of time".

What are *you* saying Daniel meant by the phrase in Daniel 4 saying "until SEVEN TIMES pass over him"?? How long is that, according to you, since you're making the point that Daniel had NO TROUBLE/RESTRICTIONS in writing "time-amounts" according to *your* [English / Modern] understanding of them? So how do YOU understand the phrase "SEVEN TIMES"??

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 4:16 Has absolutely nothing to do with Daniel 9:24 below, Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple.

Actually, he wrote, "seventy SEVENS are determined upon..."

 

[Truth7t7]

To be perfectly clear to the readers... by "the END/CONSUMMATION of *that*... by the word *that*, I mean that this occurs at the end of the TRIB (at His Second Coming to the earth, Rev19).




--"the end of the age" (CONCLUDING at the END of the TRIB, when the angels will "REAP" Matt13) precedes "the age TO COME" (the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age [SINGULAR]")

To be perfectly clear to the readers, when the Lord "Appears", "Reveals", at the second coming, the fire seen below takes place, immediately after the tribulation.

What Are You Going To Do With All That Fire Seen Below In Scripture, "At The Second Coming" Of Jesus Christ, Pretend Like It Dosent Exist?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[cv5]

True, the man of sin will be revealed when he establishes that peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians and we will know the identity of him and it starts the 7 years period but he will not claim to be God until the middle of the 7 years period and the falling away is at the end of the first three and one half years.

If Black Americans are going to cry about America then they would have to cry about the world for they have it better in America than anywhere else in the world including Africa.

And there is no oppression for as long as there are Black Americans that are rich, millionaires, and do all the jobs that white people do, and have fame, then there is no oppression for what is stopping them from making it big too.

What is oppressive is their decision making for they make bad choices.

And white guilt does not apply for nobody is guilty for the sins of other people.

God said the fathers are not responsible for the sins of the son, and the son is not responsible for the sins of the father, but everybody is responsible for their own sins.

It does not matter if your father is Hitler if you do not go along with him you are not guilty.

If a Black American shoots a white person, or steals from them, or offends them, then they are all guilty with that reasoning.

And white privilege does not apply for Black Americans will give Black Americans privilege.

That is the way of the world.

God said they accuse and excuse each other which they point their finger and accuse and make excuses for themselves and their people but everybody acts the same.

All nations and ethnic groups push for power but when they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive and cruel, but if they had the power they would push it too.

The truth is that they are mad that they are not on top but they want to be on top.

If they are out there playing the game of the world, and the same game as the white people, and doing the same thing as the white people, and even worse, then why do they talk about the white people.

But they want a global government so they have to put everyone on an equal level, and harmonize them, and knock the white people down, and bring the minorities up.

So they wanted Black Lives Matter to cry for equality, and tear down statues, and loot and steal, and did not want the police to do too much about it.

That is why they want the Asian communities to cry out against prejudism and then they can start putting hate crimes in to place with punishment which will extend to not going against anybody that is different for it will be against the law.

Which it is good to have equality but they want a global government that is not according to the will of God so their equality and harmonizing the people is not something good if it leads to that.

Correction: What I meant to say is the man of lawlessness brokers a peace deal. Most likely. The party(s) other than Israel can only be guessed at.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What Are You Going To Do With All That Fire Seen Below In Scripture, "At The Second Coming" Of Jesus Christ, Pretend Like It Dosent Exist?

"What Are You Going To Do With All That Fire Seen Below In Scripture, "At The Second Coming" Of Jesus Christ, Pretend Like It Dosent Exist?"

I've never stated that "fire" won't exist at the time of His Second Coming to the earth.

What I've stated is that LOTSA references to "FIRE" are shown to unfold upon the earth during the time-period LEADING UP TO and preceding His Second Coming to the earth ALSO.


So my question to YOU is, do you EQUATE each of the following references into the SAME point-in-time (His Second Coming point-in-time)?

[10 REFERENCES TO "angels" and "fire" (per 2Th1:7-8 which I've pointed out that the "INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON" takes place over the course of SOME TIME, rather than merely "a singular 24-hr day" at the END / His Second Coming moment only)--Bearing in mind that Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 says that these "future" aspects of the Rev "must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (i.e. the SEVEN YEARS, from START of END)]

1) Revelation 8:5 -

And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.


2) Revelation 8:7 -

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.


3) Revelation 8:8 -

And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;


4a) Revelation 9:17 ['and the sixth angel sounded' Trumpet v.13] -

And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.


4b) Revelation 9:18 [continued, during the sixth angel Trumpet] -

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.


5) Revelation 10:1 -

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: [re: in his hand a little book open]


6) Revelation 11:5 [re: 2W, during the Trumpets (till Trumpet 6)] -

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


7) Revelation 13:13 [re: the 2nd beast, during the 2nd half (during Trumpets 5,6,7 and onward)] - "it was given unto him to..."

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,


8) Revelation 14:10 -

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

[the entire verse ^ could be referencing 'during the time of the Vials' (i.e. during the trib), because another verse says "away from the presence of the Lord" (meaning, AFTER He "RETURNS" to the earth / AFTER the trib), which is completely DISTINCT]


9) Revelation 14:18 -

And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.


10) Revelation 16:8 -

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.


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Now either one can consider that each of these is occurring DURING what 2Th1:7-8 says is "INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON" (same time-slot as 2Th2:10-12 re: the SAME unsaved persons); OR you can make the same point you are making that these 10 References above (to "angels" and "fire") all occur at ONE POINT IN TIME, Christ's Second Coming. (in a split-second moment, or on "a singular 24-hr day").

Which is it?

Are you going to pretend ALL OF THESE do not exist??

I know which one *I* believe.