The Heresy of Annihilationism
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Oh, I have!!! Lots of times!!!! Yes, it is written to the church - we aren't to worry about those who are "asleep" (DEAD) in Christ because they will be in the resurrection in the last day when the trump of God shall sound and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air and ever be with the Lord.
Always - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior Jesus Christ . . .
Always - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior Jesus Christ . . .
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You will be judged - We all will be judged . . . . For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. . . .(2 Cor. 5:10)
You have the promise of eternal life - YOU WILL DIE . . . but you will be resurrected when the Lord returns - until he returns you will "sleep", e.g. be dead in the grave and then in that day, the day of Christ . . . He will "wake" you - raised incorruptible to eternal life.
You have the promise of eternal life - YOU WILL DIE . . . but you will be resurrected when the Lord returns - until he returns you will "sleep", e.g. be dead in the grave and then in that day, the day of Christ . . . He will "wake" you - raised incorruptible to eternal life.
Nope I hjave paased from death unto life id death is the judgement I already over come it Because Jesus has 
I shall never die my flesh may lay down one day but I will raise as did my Lord
I shall never die my flesh may lay down one day but I will raise as did my Lord
Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, THEN shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?
Many people don't read the word of God rightly. That's why there are learned people that have studied for years and write books in order to assist with understanding.
How can understanding be gleaned though when there is first animus for anything but one's own thought they're absolutely right. And all who disagree are absolutely wrong. And should be abused to show that. Jesus did not teach in that manner. But many who invoke him as their savior demonstrate those they align against need to be saved from their animus.
But that too is God's way. Because we do know them by their actions.
How can understanding be gleaned though when there is first animus for anything but one's own thought they're absolutely right. And all who disagree are absolutely wrong. And should be abused to show that. Jesus did not teach in that manner. But many who invoke him as their savior demonstrate those they align against need to be saved from their animus.
But that too is God's way. Because we do know them by their actions.
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I was reading a thread here when I first browsed before joining. As I remember it someone said that Strong himself didn't think his concordance was all that reliable.
Do you find it conflicting to say this, If you rely on the teachings of men, how can you know whether or not they are telling the truth? You can't, unless you yourself study God's word and know the answers.
While offering the teachings of a man and his concordance to affirm a fire hell as a conscious afterlife for the condemned?
Jesus taught we are to love our enemies. Is an eternal suffering hell fire destiny for the condemned sent there by an all knowing God in line with that teaching? We are to love our enemies but God roasts his for eternity? Having known prior to making anything that exists who would end up there?
Do you find it conflicting to say this, If you rely on the teachings of men, how can you know whether or not they are telling the truth? You can't, unless you yourself study God's word and know the answers.
While offering the teachings of a man and his concordance to affirm a fire hell as a conscious afterlife for the condemned?
Jesus taught we are to love our enemies. Is an eternal suffering hell fire destiny for the condemned sent there by an all knowing God in line with that teaching? We are to love our enemies but God roasts his for eternity? Having known prior to making anything that exists who would end up there?
That has never been true, and will never be true.
Death means death, not "eternal conscious existence."
It does not take much consideration to determine that what you believe and are promoting is not true.
Ecc 9:
5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isa 38:
18) For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Ps 6:
5) For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Ps 146:
4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
There are many more.
It is a mistake to build a theology from a parable.
Death means death, not "eternal conscious existence."
It does not take much consideration to determine that what you believe and are promoting is not true.
Ecc 9:
5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isa 38:
18) For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Ps 6:
5) For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Ps 146:
4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
There are many more.
It is a mistake to build a theology from a parable.
of course it is and context is important and who is speaking. you mean to tell me if your understanding is Hebrews clearly says something that contradicts what Jesus said you are just going to say it's the word of God?
No that is not what we do . there is an understanding for proper biblical understanding
1. there are no contradictions in the word of God
when you have what appears to be a contradiction it is with your understanding not the word of God you have to dig deeper.
2. When Jesus is speaking HE is the final Authority . Jesus's words are what you Build on .
No that is not what we do . there is an understanding for proper biblical understanding
1. there are no contradictions in the word of God
when you have what appears to be a contradiction it is with your understanding not the word of God you have to dig deeper.
2. When Jesus is speaking HE is the final Authority . Jesus's words are what you Build on .
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this is the error of the statement here
"but God roasts his for eternity"
Man cannot question Gods motives or HIS Judgement. What ever God does HE is Right in doing so. Did not God call for the utter destruction of the "Amalekites"
1sam 15:2-3
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
same loving God. Who can place a charge to God? who is the created to question the Creator ?
Yes Jesus who taught to love your enemies and the eternal torment of Hell are in line with that teaching .
That line of thinking is very very dangerous and could even be blasphemy of God to speak in such away .
This too is very telling of the error of this teaching . Also unbiblical .
"but God roasts his for eternity"
Man cannot question Gods motives or HIS Judgement. What ever God does HE is Right in doing so. Did not God call for the utter destruction of the "Amalekites"
1sam 15:2-3
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
same loving God. Who can place a charge to God? who is the created to question the Creator ?
Yes Jesus who taught to love your enemies and the eternal torment of Hell are in line with that teaching .
That line of thinking is very very dangerous and could even be blasphemy of God to speak in such away .
This too is very telling of the error of this teaching . Also unbiblical .
Hello OstrichSmiling,
There are always going to be people who say things like Strong's as not being reliable. They do so because people use the definition of those words to contend for the truth of God's word. Therefore, they attempt to discredit whatever is being used to support the truth.
The answer to the other statement, is because those scriptures which describe Sheol/Hades and the lake of fire have other descriptive words in the context which support the idea of on-going conscious punishment, such as eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, torture, punishment, etc. I have used the following scripture many times as an example, but I will use it here again to demonstrate those descriptive words in the context:
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”
The word "tormented" above is defined as "torture," and that with burning sulfur in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. One would have to be existing, conscious and aware, in order to be tormented in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. Otherwise, if they were just burned up, i.e. annihilated when they were cast into the lake of fire, they would not exist in order to be tormented in their presence.
In addition, the scripture states that "the smoke of their torment will ascend up forever and ever and they will have no rest day or night." The descriptive words "forever and ever" and "no rest day or night" infer never ending torment. No cessation or intermission from said torment.
It is important to understand that, God's grace and His mercy are offered to those who are living. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Today is the day of salvation. Once a person dies in their sins without the blood of Christ covering them, their record is sealed. From that point on, there is no grace or mercy, for God's grace and His mercy come through Jesus Christ. Therefore, whoever rejects Him, there is no longer any other sacrifice for sins. You've heard that saying "the judge is going to throw the book at you!" Well, that is exactly what God is going to do with all of the unrighteous dead.
For those who believe, Christ was held accountable for their sins. For those who do not believe, they will be held accountable for their own sins, every single one, or as Jesus said, "Men will give an account for every idle word they shall speak."
I hope that this information is helpful
There are always going to be people who say things like Strong's as not being reliable. They do so because people use the definition of those words to contend for the truth of God's word. Therefore, they attempt to discredit whatever is being used to support the truth.
The answer to the other statement, is because those scriptures which describe Sheol/Hades and the lake of fire have other descriptive words in the context which support the idea of on-going conscious punishment, such as eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, torture, punishment, etc. I have used the following scripture many times as an example, but I will use it here again to demonstrate those descriptive words in the context:
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”
The word "tormented" above is defined as "torture," and that with burning sulfur in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. One would have to be existing, conscious and aware, in order to be tormented in the presence of the angels and the Lamb. Otherwise, if they were just burned up, i.e. annihilated when they were cast into the lake of fire, they would not exist in order to be tormented in their presence.
In addition, the scripture states that "the smoke of their torment will ascend up forever and ever and they will have no rest day or night." The descriptive words "forever and ever" and "no rest day or night" infer never ending torment. No cessation or intermission from said torment.
It is important to understand that, God's grace and His mercy are offered to those who are living. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Today is the day of salvation. Once a person dies in their sins without the blood of Christ covering them, their record is sealed. From that point on, there is no grace or mercy, for God's grace and His mercy come through Jesus Christ. Therefore, whoever rejects Him, there is no longer any other sacrifice for sins. You've heard that saying "the judge is going to throw the book at you!" Well, that is exactly what God is going to do with all of the unrighteous dead.
For those who believe, Christ was held accountable for their sins. For those who do not believe, they will be held accountable for their own sins, every single one, or as Jesus said, "Men will give an account for every idle word they shall speak."
I hope that this information is helpful
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the whole word of God amen is inspired yes you are correct .
But human understanding is not
So when it seems other scriptures contradict other scriptures the idea is wrong we have error in our understanding
the point is contextually Jesus and other writers would not speak differently then Jesus . Also the inspired word given at the time would be limited due to Jesus had not come . So After Jesus has come and after revelation of Who Jesus is when other writings in the New testament must line up with Christ. And they do. If I read something in Isaiah and it seems this Prophet said something different then Jesus I by rule follow Jesus. Why ? because HE is authoritative. Doing so is not seen as not accepting the inspired word of God no. it is seem as maturity in our understanding.
But human understanding is not
So when it seems other scriptures contradict other scriptures the idea is wrong we have error in our understanding
the point is contextually Jesus and other writers would not speak differently then Jesus . Also the inspired word given at the time would be limited due to Jesus had not come . So After Jesus has come and after revelation of Who Jesus is when other writings in the New testament must line up with Christ. And they do. If I read something in Isaiah and it seems this Prophet said something different then Jesus I by rule follow Jesus. Why ? because HE is authoritative. Doing so is not seen as not accepting the inspired word of God no. it is seem as maturity in our understanding.
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