The gospel of Jesus was always obeyed by God's people but rejected by those who refused Him

[lenna]

So today you can be among the nations, not fear God, not work righteousness, just be a devil and God is happy with you if you believe in Jesus?
I can become a sodomite tomorrow and hit the pub tonight. No problem, God still loves me because I believe in Jesus, and I am supposed to be afraid of some chastisement that is coming? Or losing rewards? Who cares about any of that if I am guaranteed a place in eternal bliss. I can have my cake and eat it too, so much for the "narrow way" Jesus spoke of.

Nice antinomian watered down gospel you have.

why wait until tomorrow?

these 2 do not believe the gospels are valid...same goes for James and a few other books

the questions are always geared to get that discussion going rather than focus on what the scripture actually states

you might already know that, but the boldness of the way they distort, twist and ignore truth is beyond the pale IMO

 

[lenna]

Or if we are saved by doing good then what's all this business about the Death burial and resurrection, atonement, Sins taken away , Sealing of the Holy Spirit, predestination, Eternal life ect ?

well since no one has said this here, you are just fluffing up the original exclusion land creating smoke while you go find another
thread to spread your false gospel in

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Below, you see that Paul always preached the same gospel that Jesus preached while on earth. Though in addition - he also taught about the Holy Spirit's role in salvation that comes through Jesus. Christians didn't understand that doctrine well, until the day of Pentecost took place, about 50 days after Jesus ascended back to heaven. That was when the widespread outpouring of God's Spirit happened for the first time in history.

The point I'm trying to make, is that we are not to divorce the gospel Jesus preached, from the gospel message the apostles, etc. of the New Testament preached after Jesus was gone. We are to see that it is the same, and to be careful to abide by it.

Rom 15:19
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
KJV

See below, how all those who rejected God, are also described as having rejected the gospel. Which was the same as in the New Testament, except for switching from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, as a result of Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection.

Rom 10:15-17

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

Below, it can be seen that the major reason people have rejected God throughout history, is that they loved their sin more than they hungered for God. Anyone who sincerely hungers for God, is willing to repent of their sins:

John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

It may surprise you to know that the people, in all of the verses you have quoted, are regenerated people of God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It was approx 10 years from Acts 2 before Peter understands the Gospel and the giving of the Holy Spirit was also for the gentiles . So do you think the apostles understood and were preaching the same message ? When its not until Mathew 27 before they understood the death , burial and resurrection? Can we be saved today by not Believing in the resurrection? When Jesus rose they did not believe, let alone believe in His need to die on a cross .

2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

 

[throughfaith]

2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

What are you referring to please ?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

What is your take on 2 Tim 2:13?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What are you referring to please ?

The elect were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. The elect were in Christ as the ones that he died for. If the elect are in him, he cannot deny himself. He is in the elect, and the elect are in him.

 

[throughfaith]

The elect were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. The elect were in Christ as the ones that he died for. If the elect are in him, he cannot deny himself. He is in the elect, and the elect are in him.

The only part that's biblical is once you are in Christ and he in you . He cannot deny himself . The Elect are Jews. Elect or Chosen always refers to service and purpose. its a word not a doctrine. No one was in christ in the OT .

 

[Benadam]

Thats just utterly ridicilous and false. So Jesus told them to go into ALL THE NATIONS to convert them to Judaism, then Paul gets a different message some years down the line? IF I was alive at that time I would immediately disregard Paul as a false apostle if that were the case. If Jesus told me something after His death burial and resurrection (which the great commission is) and some guy came down the line with a vision that is something different, he should be disregarded immediately.

Luckily we know Paul also preached holiness obedience, fear the Lord and keep His commandments, you guys just dont believe those parts or twist/skip over them.

Are you thinking they were forming a different religion or converting pagans to Judaism?

 

[Blik]

The only part that's biblical is once you are in Christ and he in you . He cannot deny himself . The Elect are Jews. Elect or Chosen always refers to service and purpose. its a word not a doctrine. No one was in christ in the OT .

You say no one was in Christ in the old testament, yet the entire sacrificial system was about the forgiveness of sin. We are told that there is no forgiveness except through Christ, so how could they have what was call atonement if the sacrificial system was not the symbol of Christ?

God is eternal and what God says is eternal. God could not say there was no atonement before Christ lived as a man and was crucified, it was time oriented. That would mean God's truth is not eternal. All the changes God made to his commandments between before and after Christ were changes in how God physically communicated with us. Christ explained it when Christ told of the differences in the ten commandments. Before they were physical rules, now they were told to our spirits.

 

[throughfaith]

You say no one was in Christ in the old testament, yet the entire sacrificial system was about the forgiveness of sin. We are told that there is no forgiveness except through Christ, so how could they have what was call atonement if the sacrificial system was not the symbol of Christ?

God is eternal and what God says is eternal. God could not say there was no atonement before Christ lived as a man and was crucified, it was time oriented. That would mean God's truth is not eternal. All the changes God made to his commandments between before and after Christ were changes in how God physically communicated with us. Christ explained it when Christ told of the differences in the ten commandments. Before they were physical rules, now they were told to our spirits.

I have a verse that says

Hebrews 9:22




22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[Kolistus]

Are you thinking they were forming a different religion or converting pagans to Judaism?

They were bringing people to Christianity. The fullfillment of judaism (the biblical one, not the witchcraft one people practice today with kabbalah etc.)

 

[pottersclay]

Imo a atheist can preach the gospel. Get your facts and story in line there ya go. And it has been done.
The question is are you living the gospel? Do they know you by your words or your love? By your kindness or judgemental responses.
Is God's righteousness that your seeking? Are you praying that his will be done.
Are you loving your enemy ? Are you interceding in prayer for the lost?
Are you willing to sacrifice yourself for the gospel? As jesus asked....did you count the cost?

Paul and moses both had this love for Israel as they were willing to give up there own salvation for them.
I ask myself do I have this love.......to be honest.......nope.

The gospel preached is compassion, a passion for the one who sent you, a genuine concern for others.
It is a life and death issue.
The world doesn't need another mouth piece it needs Jesus and the Holy Spirit with work boots on.

 

[Guojing]

get real

I posted an entire passage from scripture concerning Peter's vision from God about preaching the gospel to Gentiles

if you actually were interested in the truth, you would acknowledge what the word states, after YOU and your friend there said
Peter had no knowledge of Gentiles, and you would learn something

so transparent you two. your 'tricky' questions are your guide to your POV and not what is actually written

In the first place, that original post was not even directed to you. If you don't want to answer, that is your prerogative.

 

[Blik]

I have a verse that says Hebrews 9:22

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

That is almost a repeat of Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for our souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

Man was told this long before Christ was born as a man.

 

[Benadam]

They were bringing people to Christianity. The fullfillment of judaism

That had to be worked out. I think that might be the purpose of Peter's vision.

 

[lenna]

In the first place, that original post was not even directed to you. If you don't want to answer, that is your prerogative.

you have interrupted my conversations with others mulitple times. don't play games. as it is, this is a public forum. you can pm if you want a private conversation with someone.

how about you address Peter receiving a vision telling him to take the gospel to the Gentiles after you and another poster state that never happened?

Then Peter began to speak, “In solemn truth I can see now that God is no respecter of persons, but that in every nation the man who reverences him and does what is right is acceptable to him! He has sent his message to the sons of Israel by giving us the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is the Lord of us all.
You must know the story of Jesus of Nazareth—why, it has spread through the whole of Judea, beginning with Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed. You must have heard how God anointed him with the power of the Holy Spirit, of how he went about doing good and healing all who suffered from the devil’s power—because God was with him.
Now we are eye-witnesses of everything that he did, both in the Judean country and in Jerusalem itself, and yet they murdered him by hanging him on a cross. But on the third day God raised that same Jesus and let him be clearly seen, not indeed by the whole people, but by witnesses whom God had previously chosen.
We are those witnesses, we who ate and drank with him after he had risen from the dead! Moreover, we are the men whom he commanded to preach to the people and bear fearless witness to the fact that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of both the living and the dead.
It is to him that all the prophets bear witness, that every man who believes in him may receive forgiveness of sins through his name.” While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.

 

[lenna]

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

And interestingly, 10 years after Acts 2, Peter still do not understand the Cross the way Paul did.

The criteria he used is still fear him and work righteousness, to be accepted by God.

you really have no clue at all

that is what happens why you deny Jesus words, Acts, James and Peter

of course you deny Peter also. it makes you uncomfortable, not to mention James

 

[Guojing]

you have interrupted my conversations with others mulitple times. don't play games. as it is, this is a public forum. you can pm if you want a private conversation with someone.

how about you address Peter receiving a vision telling him to take the gospel to the Gentiles after you and another poster state that never happened?

Then Peter began to speak, “In solemn truth I can see now that God is no respecter of persons, but that in every nation the man who reverences him and does what is right is acceptable to him! He has sent his message to the sons of Israel by giving us the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is the Lord of us all.
You must know the story of Jesus of Nazareth—why, it has spread through the whole of Judea, beginning with Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed. You must have heard how God anointed him with the power of the Holy Spirit, of how he went about doing good and healing all who suffered from the devil’s power—because God was with him.
Now we are eye-witnesses of everything that he did, both in the Judean country and in Jerusalem itself, and yet they murdered him by hanging him on a cross. But on the third day God raised that same Jesus and let him be clearly seen, not indeed by the whole people, but by witnesses whom God had previously chosen.
We are those witnesses, we who ate and drank with him after he had risen from the dead! Moreover, we are the men whom he commanded to preach to the people and bear fearless witness to the fact that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of both the living and the dead.
It is to him that all the prophets bear witness, that every man who believes in him may receive forgiveness of sins through his name.” While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.

God never made peter an apostle to the gentiles, unlike Paul

Peter one off visit to the gentile Cornelius was arranged by God so that he could defend Paul gospel of the uncircumcision as legitimate later on in acts 15

There is no scripture record of Peter ever preaching to the gentiles again after that.

 

[Guojing]

you have interrupted my conversations with others mulitple times. don't play games. as it is, this is a public forum. you can pm if you want a private conversation with someone.

how about you address Peter receiving a vision telling him to take the gospel to the Gentiles after you and another poster state that never happened?

Then Peter began to speak, “In solemn truth I can see now that God is no respecter of persons, but that in every nation the man who reverences him and does what is right is acceptable to him! He has sent his message to the sons of Israel by giving us the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is the Lord of us all.
You must know the story of Jesus of Nazareth—why, it has spread through the whole of Judea, beginning with Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed. You must have heard how God anointed him with the power of the Holy Spirit, of how he went about doing good and healing all who suffered from the devil’s power—because God was with him.
Now we are eye-witnesses of everything that he did, both in the Judean country and in Jerusalem itself, and yet they murdered him by hanging him on a cross. But on the third day God raised that same Jesus and let him be clearly seen, not indeed by the whole people, but by witnesses whom God had previously chosen.
We are those witnesses, we who ate and drank with him after he had risen from the dead! Moreover, we are the men whom he commanded to preach to the people and bear fearless witness to the fact that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of both the living and the dead.
It is to him that all the prophets bear witness, that every man who believes in him may receive forgiveness of sins through his name.” While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.

You are always welcome to join in other peoples discussion and contribute your point of view

but if you want to come in and be antagonistic, then why bother?