The gospel of Jesus was always obeyed by God's people but rejected by those who refused Him

[Kolistus]

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

And interestingly, 10 years after Acts 2, Peter still do not understand the Cross the way Paul did.

The criteria he used is still fear him and work righteousness, to be accepted by God.

So today you can be among the nations, not fear God, not work righteousness, just be a devil and God is happy with you if you believe in Jesus?
I can become a sodomite tomorrow and hit the pub tonight. No problem, God still loves me because I believe in Jesus, and I am supposed to be afraid of some chastisement that is coming? Or losing rewards? Who cares about any of that if I am guaranteed a place in eternal bliss. I can have my cake and eat it too, so much for the "narrow way" Jesus spoke of.

Nice antinomian watered down gospel you have.

 

[Guojing]

So today you can be among the nations, not fear God, not work righteousness, just be a devil and God is happy with you if you believe in Jesus?
Nice antinomian watered down gospel you have. If people believe as you do, that truly explains the state of the modern church. You have destroyed it.

I didn't say you should be like the devil, you miss the point. Its about the sufficient condition for righteousness.

Romans 4:5 was a mystery revealed to Paul, that was unknown to Peter, at least if you read Acts 10:35.

 

[Kolistus]

No He didn't. Matt commands conversion.
They were to be converted to Judaism as far as the Apostles knew.
The vision commanding to eat non kosher meat was an inclusion because He knew then they didn't have to become Jewish.

Thats just utterly ridicilous and false. So Jesus told them to go into ALL THE NATIONS to convert them to Judaism, then Paul gets a different message some years down the line? IF I was alive at that time I would immediately disregard Paul as a false apostle if that were the case. If Jesus told me something after His death burial and resurrection (which the great commission is) and some guy came down the line with a vision that is something different, he should be disregarded immediately.

Luckily we know Paul also preached holiness obedience, fear the Lord and keep His commandments, you guys just dont believe those parts or twist/skip over them.

 

[Kolistus]

I didn't say you should be like the devil, you miss the point. Its about the sufficient condition for righteousness.

Romans 4:5 was a mystery revealed to Paul, that was unknown to Peter, at least if you read Acts 10:35.

Great mystery indeed, Paul is talking about Abraham being justified by faith. Not the dead faith you guys preach either, but the faith that actually produces something.

 

[Kolistus]

I didn't say you should be like the devil, you miss the point. Its about the sufficient condition for righteousness.

You never say it, that would be too obvious and people would know to run. You prefer instead to beat around the bush asking questions and making suggestions.

"You should obey God, but even if you dont, you are still saved." That is what you are saying, the Gospel of saved in sin and to sin. No way around it.

So I shouldn't be hitting the pub right now, but even if I do, its OK, God's gonna wink at it the first time, chastise me the second time, but never ban me from heaven.
Praise God!

 

[throughfaith]

So today you can be among the nations, not fear God, not work righteousness, just be a devil and God is happy with you if you believe in Jesus?
I can become a sodomite tomorrow and hit the pub tonight. No problem, God still loves me because I believe in Jesus, and I am supposed to be afraid of some chastisement that is coming? Or losing rewards? Who cares about any of that if I am guaranteed a place in eternal bliss. I can have my cake and eat it too, so much for the "narrow way" Jesus spoke of.

Nice antinomian watered down gospel you have.

Or if we are saved by doing good then what's all this business about the Death burial and resurrection, atonement, Sins taken away , Sealing of the Holy Spirit, predestination, Eternal life ect ?

 

[Kolistus]

Or if we are saved by doing good then what's all this business about the Death burial and resurrection, atonement, Sins taken away , Sealing of the Holy Spirit, predestination, Eternal life ect ?

That talk is all true. You cant throw away the other verses and take the pet ones you like.

Jesus died for our sins, atoned for our sins, yet the Bible tells us, if we continue on in said sins, we are LOST. No amount of wishing or believing will change that. New Testament doctrine, after DBR, same rules apply. You can't live like the world and expect good results, God is not playing games.

 

[Guojing]

You never say it, that would be too obvious and people would know to run. You prefer instead to beat around the bush asking questions and making suggestions.

"You should obey God, but even if you dont, you are still saved." That is what you are saying, the Gospel of saved in sin and to sin. No way around it.

So I shouldn't be hitting the pub right now, but even if I do, its OK, God's gonna wink at it the first time, chastise me the second time, but never ban me from heaven.
Praise God!

God has but one commandment for unbelievers to obey during this age of grace, be reconciled with him because Christ has already died for sins on the cross, 2 Cor 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Guojing]

Great mystery indeed, Paul is talking about Abraham being justified by faith. Not the dead faith you guys preach either, but the faith that actually produces something.

Yes Abraham, since he did not had Jesus on the cross for him, he had to do more than just believe.

Hebrews 11 tells us what he had to do to show faith

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

 

[throughfaith]

That talk is all true. You cant throw away the other verses and take the pet ones you like.

Jesus died for our sins, atoned for our sins, yet the Bible tells us, if we continue on in said sins, we are LOST. No amount of wishing or believing will change that. New Testament doctrine, after DBR, same rules apply. You can't live like the world and expect good results, God is not playing games.

Or your in error about the verses that are read as ' losing salvation ' . As they would contradicting what salvation is and how we are saved. This is my concern for those who view the scriptures this way . The bible is not vague. Or we are left to wonder , so we just have to accept 'parallel truths '. No i see unclear being used to interpret clear passages. In the end what happens is because of not rightly dividing the word the 'loss of salvation 'passages ( as assumed ) wind up dictating how we are saved , justified, sealed , predestined , sanctfied ,and glorified. There's nothing solid once you go down this path .

 

[Kolistus]

Yes Abraham, since he did not had Jesus on the cross for him, he had to do more than just believe.

Hebrews 11 tells us what he had to do to show faith

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Here is a good article on the subject: https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/does-james-contradict-paul

 

[Guojing]

Here is a good article on the subject: https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/does-james-contradict-paul

I never said James contradict Paul.

Once you rightly divide the word of truth and know which audience and which time period each of them are referring to, there is no contradiction.

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

 

[Guojing]

Thats just utterly ridicilous and false. So Jesus told them to go into ALL THE NATIONS to convert them to Judaism, then Paul gets a different message some years down the line? IF I was alive at that time I would immediately disregard Paul as a false apostle if that were the case. If Jesus told me something after His death burial and resurrection (which the great commission is) and some guy came down the line with a vision that is something different, he should be disregarded immediately.

You misunderstood what Jesus was telling the 11 in Matt 28.

There was a certain order to be followed in the OT prophecy, Israel is to be saved first, before any gentiles can be reached. (Zechariah 8)

But by Acts 7, the nation Israel was determined to reject Christ.

That was why Paul was saved by God after that to reach all of us gentiles, thru the fall of Israel (Romans 11:11)

 

[Kolistus]

You misunderstood what Jesus was telling the 11 in Matt 28.

There was a certain order to be followed in the OT prophecy, Israel is to be saved first, before any gentiles can be reached. (Zechariah 8)

But by Acts 7, the nation Israel was determined to reject Christ.

That was why Paul was saved by God after that to reach all of us gentiles, thru the fall of Israel (Romans 11:11)

Okay, I got mad again I apologize for that. This topic enrages me

Lets start over. How did I misunderstand what Jesus told them in matthew 28? Can you go thru the great commission for me. What part of "I will be with you till the end of the world" and make disciples of all nations did I misunderstand?

 

[Guojing]

Okay, I got mad again I apologize for that. This topic enrages me

Lets start over. How did I misunderstand what Jesus told them in matthew 28? Can you go thru the great commission for me. What part of "I will be with you till the end of the world" and make disciples of all nations did I misunderstand?

As I said to you in another post, Peter spent 40 days with the resurrected Christ learning about the kingdom program.

When the 11 asked that final question in Acts 1:6, have you realized that they were concerned about Israel only, and made no mention of gentile nations? And Jesus did not rebuke them for putting Israel first?

And when national Israel was still rejecting Christ, Peter was very reluctant to go to Cornelius place. Why should he be reluctant if Jesus indeed meant in Matt 28 that they were to go to all nations?

And in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticize him for eating with the gentiles, you ever wondered why Peter did not reply with, "But Matt 28 told us to reach all nations, why can't I then eat with gentiles"?

So, putting all these together, their understanding of what Jesus meant in Matt 28 is very different from yours.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

you are a dear one, Myrtle Tree.........but....
You are really relentless on works/obedience......calling others to struggle to perfection, ....doing the work of the Holy Spirit. You must be exhausted. How is YOUR walk?

Faith produces works as the Father has prepared for us beforehand. (Eph 2:10)
I don't have to figure it out.
Sometimes the "work" is being still and waiting for the task to be put in front of me.

Like Jonah, I may not like or want the work, but God does not let me out of it. I never think for one minute that He will let me slide.
God always gets His way.
God brought the work to Jonah, woke him up to get him going and then had to prod him with 3 days in a big fish.
Was Jonah happy to do that work? HA! no way. He grumbled all the way and when it was done he complained to God about doing it.

Lord help me, I have behaved like Jonah.

 

[Kolistus]

As I said to you in another post, Peter spent 40 days with the resurrected Christ learning about the kingdom program.

When the 11 asked that final question in Acts 1:6, have you realized that they were concerned about Israel only, and made no mention of gentile nations? And Jesus did not rebuke them for putting Israel first?

And when national Israel was still rejecting Christ, Peter was very reluctant to go to Cornelius place. Why should he be reluctant if Jesus indeed meant in Matt 28 that they were to go to all nations?

And in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticize him for eating with the gentiles, you ever wondered why Peter did not reply with, "But Matt 28 told us to reach all nations, why can't I then eat with gentiles"?

So, putting all these together, their understanding of what Jesus meant in Matt 28 is very different from yours.

I understand all that, but why did Jesus say I would be with you till the end of the world and go to all nations, when they didn't even get close to reaching all nations nor the end of the world? It was a great commission that lasted for what, a decade or two?

 

[Guojing]

I understand all that, but why did Jesus say I would be with you till the end of the world and go to all nations, when they didn't even get close to reaching all nations nor the end of the world? It was a great commission that lasted for what, a decade or two?

Because human beings have free will.

Israel leaders were given a choice in Acts 7, they chose to stone Stephen.

The Jewish diaspora leaders were also given a choice in Acts 28, they chose to reject what Paul was preaching to them.

The nation has fallen in the eyes of God now, but thru that fall, we gentiles, and individual Jews who believed, are now offered the chance to be grafted into the covenant with God.

But no worries, God has not forgotten the nation Israel, and will return to deal with them during the Tribulation.

 

[lenna]

I am asking what saith the scripture in Luke 1.

It’s a simple question and not a personal interpretation

get real

I posted an entire passage from scripture concerning Peter's vision from God about preaching the gospel to Gentiles

if you actually were interested in the truth, you would acknowledge what the word states, after YOU and your friend there said
Peter had no knowledge of Gentiles, and you would learn something

so transparent you two. your 'tricky' questions are your guide to your POV and not what is actually written