The Gospel Demands Radical Sacrifice - David Platt
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God had said, HE will circumcise our hearts (with the circumcision of Christ).
That thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day. If thou shalt hearken (through this Christ) unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command (hearkening unto the voice of the LORD; the circumcision made without hands to keep HIS commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law; the Word; Christ) thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (HIS commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law; the Word; Christ) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart (the circumcision made without hands), that thou mayest do it. This the FAITH in which we preach. For we are the epistle of Christ , Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God. For Christ (In our hearts, minds, and mouths) is the end of the Law (that which is written with ink and tables of stone) for righteousness unto all that believe.
(Deu 30:8-16; Romans 10:6-8, 4,6; 2Co 3:2-5)
Christ in us the hope of Glory. Not us but Christ. He is the way the truth and the life. Without Him we can do nothing. We are a new creature in Christ Jesus. Old things have passed away; Behold all has become new and is of GOD!
That thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day. If thou shalt hearken (through this Christ) unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command (hearkening unto the voice of the LORD; the circumcision made without hands to keep HIS commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law; the Word; Christ) thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (HIS commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law; the Word; Christ) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart (the circumcision made without hands), that thou mayest do it. This the FAITH in which we preach. For we are the epistle of Christ , Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God. For Christ (In our hearts, minds, and mouths) is the end of the Law (that which is written with ink and tables of stone) for righteousness unto all that believe.
(Deu 30:8-16; Romans 10:6-8, 4,6; 2Co 3:2-5)
Christ in us the hope of Glory. Not us but Christ. He is the way the truth and the life. Without Him we can do nothing. We are a new creature in Christ Jesus. Old things have passed away; Behold all has become new and is of GOD!
Christ is our Sabbath. The Scriptures point to Him.
It’s not about one particular day (or location). And yes, quite obviously Paul understood that when he wrote about “esteeming one day” more than another.
Hebrews 4 is also clear about believers “entering into rest.” That is the rest Christ invited all to come to Him and find for their souls when He called out to the crowds.
It’s not about one particular day (or location). And yes, quite obviously Paul understood that when he wrote about “esteeming one day” more than another.
Hebrews 4 is also clear about believers “entering into rest.” That is the rest Christ invited all to come to Him and find for their souls when He called out to the crowds.
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GOD has promised Christ; the word; HIS law in our hearts minds and mouths that we do it and that is the faith in which we preach. For Christ; the word; GOD's Law in our hearts, minds and mouths is the end of the law; that which was written with ink and tables of stone for righteousness for all that believe. A new ministration; not of the letter. For the letter killeth. Not on tables of stone but the fleshly tables of the heart. Not that our sufficiency is in and of our selves but our sufficiency is of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ; the word; God's law in us the hope of Glory. A new and living way through the veil into the holiest of all; that is His flesh. The Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD.
Throughout the entire Scriptures.
Not at all. Paul was, by his own admission, a Pharisee who had been zealous for the Law. You think he didn’t know what it meant to esteem one day above another? Scripture is clear that worship is not tied to one specific day. Ultimately, every single day is the Lord’s and is a day He has made.
Hebrews 4 is self-explanatory. Go read it, no explanation needed.
Not at all. Paul was, by his own admission, a Pharisee who had been zealous for the Law. You think he didn’t know what it meant to esteem one day above another? Scripture is clear that worship is not tied to one specific day. Ultimately, every single day is the Lord’s and is a day He has made.
Hebrews 4 is self-explanatory. Go read it, no explanation needed.
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Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 - For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them." 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
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We are not talking about worship we are speaking about the Sabbath. Romans 14 doesn't mention the Sabbath. To assume that Paul is speaking on it, is to add what is not there.
There remaineth therefore a Rest (Sabbath observance) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest through Christ), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10)
Rest in verse 9 means Sabbath Observance. REST in verse 10 is in reference to the REST to which we experience through Christ.
2 different rests are being spoken about. The rest we are to experience from ceasing from physical work AS GOD did on the Seventh Day which is the Sabbath. And the REST we experience through Christ.
Remaineth in verse 9 is in the present tense. As in something that is happening. In other words They who are experiencing the rest of the Gospel through Christ cease from their own physical works as GOD did from HIS. This is, was and will forever be done on the Seventh Day; to which is called the the Sabbath.
"As" in verse 10 is a direct comparison. There is only one recorded ceasing from work to which GOD had attributed HIMSELF to and that Was done on the Seventh Day to which is the Sabbath.
We are not talking about worship we are speaking about the Sabbath. Romans 14 doesn't mention the Sabbath. To assume that Paul is speaking on it, is to add what is not there.
There remaineth therefore a Rest (Sabbath observance) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest through Christ), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10)
Rest in verse 9 means Sabbath Observance. REST in verse 10 is in reference to the REST to which we experience through Christ.
2 different rests are being spoken about. The rest we are to experience from ceasing from physical work AS GOD did on the Seventh Day which is the Sabbath. And the REST we experience through Christ.
Remaineth in verse 9 is in the present tense. As in something that is happening. In other words They who are experiencing the rest of the Gospel through Christ cease from their own physical works as GOD did from HIS. This is, was and will forever be done on the Seventh Day; to which is called the the Sabbath.
"As" in verse 10 is a direct comparison. There is only one recorded ceasing from work to which GOD had attributed HIMSELF to and that Was done on the Seventh Day to which is the Sabbath.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; the Law) down from above: ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)
What is the word of Faith to which we speak? The word (Christ; the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart. That is the word of faith to which we speak. For Christ (the word; the Law (Heb 8:10) in our hearts and mouths) is end of the law (written with ink and on tables of stone) for righteousness to all that believe.
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)
What is the word of Faith to which we speak? The word (Christ; the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart. That is the word of faith to which we speak. For Christ (the word; the Law (Heb 8:10) in our hearts and mouths) is end of the law (written with ink and on tables of stone) for righteousness to all that believe.
I said "....I don't know David Platt; but if he is living and teaching the Faith of Christ what is the big deal."
Jim Jones did not live the Faith of Christ. By their fruits we shall know them.
What has David Platt done that makes you think or know that he is not of Christ?
Please post it and provide evidence.
Jim Jones did not live the Faith of Christ. By their fruits we shall know them.
What has David Platt done that makes you think or know that he is not of Christ?
Please post it and provide evidence.
Unfortunately I do not have the time to go through the entire Bible with you on these forums. You should heed Christ’s words that the Scriptures point to Him.
Paul was clear when he was inspired to write what he did regarding the esteeming of one day above another. This most definitely applies.
False. You are adding your own meaning to the text. Christ IS our Sabbath. The Sabbath always pointed to Him.
The ceasing from work is in reference to resting in Christ Who is our salvation, knowing that we are not earning salvation by works. This is what it means to enter into rest. We do not add our own works to Christ’s finished work.
False. We worship in Spirit and in Truth. It is not about a specific day or location or any other legalistic ordinance. Christ has fulfilled all things, we are not under the Law.
It is unfortunate that you believe putting yourself back under the Law is going to make you righteous and worthy of salvation. That is “going about to establish” your own righteousness.
It is not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to His mercy He has saved us. We have no reason to “boast” before God.
Paul was clear when he was inspired to write what he did regarding the esteeming of one day above another. This most definitely applies.
False. You are adding your own meaning to the text. Christ IS our Sabbath. The Sabbath always pointed to Him.
The ceasing from work is in reference to resting in Christ Who is our salvation, knowing that we are not earning salvation by works. This is what it means to enter into rest. We do not add our own works to Christ’s finished work.
False. We worship in Spirit and in Truth. It is not about a specific day or location or any other legalistic ordinance. Christ has fulfilled all things, we are not under the Law.
It is unfortunate that you believe putting yourself back under the Law is going to make you righteous and worthy of salvation. That is “going about to establish” your own righteousness.
It is not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to His mercy He has saved us. We have no reason to “boast” before God.
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Amen!
The Sabbath is not mentioned in Romans 14. To add it because we assume Paul meant it is to add to the Word of GOD. This is not our place
There remaineth therefore a Rest (Sabbath observance) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest through Christ), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10)
Rest in verse 9 means Sabbath Observance. REST in verse 10 is in reference to the REST to which we experience through Christ.
No. The Greek word that is translated rest in verse 9 means Sabbath observance. And the rest mention in verse 10 goes back to
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(Heb 4:1-2 KJV)
As was shared in the post you responded two. Two rests are being mentioned in the text in question. Sabbath obserbvance. A ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. And the Gospel rest two which we enter into through Christ.
No. The text says as GOD did from HIS. "as" is a direct comparrison. GOD is not resting in Christ. GOD rested on the Seventh day from all HIS works. GOD is Spirit HE did not enter into a Spiritual rest in Christ.
Amen!
"As" in verse 10 is a direct comparison. There is only one recorded ceasing from work to which GOD had attributed HIMSELF to and that Was done on the Seventh Day to which is the Sabbath.
GOD has put HIS Law; Christ in our hearts; minds and mouths. It is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not I but Christ. For we are dead nevertheless we live. Yet not us but Christ; the law; the word liveth in us, and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of Christ.
Amen! A new ministration. Not written with ink or on tables of stone. But on the fleshly tables of the heart.
Not that our sufficiency is in and of our selves. But our sufficiency is of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both tho will and do HIS good pleasure.
The Sabbath is not mentioned in Romans 14. To add it because we assume Paul meant it is to add to the Word of GOD. This is not our place
There remaineth therefore a Rest (Sabbath observance) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest through Christ), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10)
Rest in verse 9 means Sabbath Observance. REST in verse 10 is in reference to the REST to which we experience through Christ.
No. The Greek word that is translated rest in verse 9 means Sabbath observance. And the rest mention in verse 10 goes back to
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(Heb 4:1-2 KJV)
As was shared in the post you responded two. Two rests are being mentioned in the text in question. Sabbath obserbvance. A ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. And the Gospel rest two which we enter into through Christ.
No. The text says as GOD did from HIS. "as" is a direct comparrison. GOD is not resting in Christ. GOD rested on the Seventh day from all HIS works. GOD is Spirit HE did not enter into a Spiritual rest in Christ.
Amen!
"As" in verse 10 is a direct comparison. There is only one recorded ceasing from work to which GOD had attributed HIMSELF to and that Was done on the Seventh Day to which is the Sabbath.
GOD has put HIS Law; Christ in our hearts; minds and mouths. It is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not I but Christ. For we are dead nevertheless we live. Yet not us but Christ; the law; the word liveth in us, and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of Christ.
Amen! A new ministration. Not written with ink or on tables of stone. But on the fleshly tables of the heart.
Not that our sufficiency is in and of our selves. But our sufficiency is of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both tho will and do HIS good pleasure.
Christ said the Scriptures point to Him. You can believe Him or not. Your choice.
Please explain how Romans 14 does not apply to the insistence that every believer observe the Sabbath. How is that not esteeming one day above another and demanding that all believers do likewise?
“Not being mixed with faith”, exactly. The Jews continued to “go about to establish their own righteousness. You insist on the same and are telling other believers that they must also put themselves under the Law.
The only true “rest” is in Jesus Christ our Saviour. The only way to “enter in” is to indeed forsake all our own labours (attempts to earn our own salvation) and turn to Christ in faith, fully trusting His finished work. We enter in by faith and we receive God’s grace. Salvation is by grace, through faith and not of works, lest any man should boast.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. God is God, He gave the Law. Obviously He Himself was never under it. He is eternal, perfect, Holy, sinless and righteous. This is why He is our Saviour and true rest can only be found in Him, not in any earthly ordinances or the esteeming of one day above another. Christ is our Sabbath.
Exactly. By faith and not by works.
Yes. Not by works. So why do you insist on burdening yourself and others with legalistic ordinances that would put believers back under the Law?
Please explain how Romans 14 does not apply to the insistence that every believer observe the Sabbath. How is that not esteeming one day above another and demanding that all believers do likewise?
“Not being mixed with faith”, exactly. The Jews continued to “go about to establish their own righteousness. You insist on the same and are telling other believers that they must also put themselves under the Law.
The only true “rest” is in Jesus Christ our Saviour. The only way to “enter in” is to indeed forsake all our own labours (attempts to earn our own salvation) and turn to Christ in faith, fully trusting His finished work. We enter in by faith and we receive God’s grace. Salvation is by grace, through faith and not of works, lest any man should boast.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. God is God, He gave the Law. Obviously He Himself was never under it. He is eternal, perfect, Holy, sinless and righteous. This is why He is our Saviour and true rest can only be found in Him, not in any earthly ordinances or the esteeming of one day above another. Christ is our Sabbath.
Exactly. By faith and not by works.
Yes. Not by works. So why do you insist on burdening yourself and others with legalistic ordinances that would put believers back under the Law?
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This is so religious...and makes no sense whatsoever...besides this scheme where you just give a religious nod...and Jesus dies for you because well ....He just loves our approval. Does Jesus appreciate the nod? I don't think so. It makes a mockery of what Jesus accomplished.
People have misunderstood God and the gospel to mean...well nothing really. Just accept and it's yours. Like a push pull or drag it sale that looks more like a used car commercial than eternal truth.
As in...all you have to do is come on down...and if you act quickly you get bonus eternity points.
And God rejected the Jews...the original people...for this!???
There is a big surprise awaiting those who profane the words of the Lord.
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