The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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Cameron143 said:
I do. I'm far from perfect. But forgiveness for my sins isn't caused by my repentance. The basis for my forgiveness is the cross. Without my sins being paid for there is no forgiveness, regardless of how many times I repent. And that's a settled matter.
What you propose is that God accepted the payment for someone's sin and still condemns them to hell.
Now God is sovereign and can do as He pleases. But God cannot be just in sending people to hell having accepted payment for their sin anymore than you would consider me to be just if I accepted a payment made on your behalf and still demanded payment.
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Isn't forgiveness for sins applied via repentance? Yes, Jesus paid the price via His death on the cross, but if that was all it took for everyone to be reconciled to God, escape the second death, and attain to life ever after, none would ultimately be lost (known as universalism).

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@Magenta Come help us.
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LOL! Like that^ ?
 
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Magenta said:
Isn't forgiveness for sins applied via repentance? Yes, Jesus paid the price via His death on the cross, but if that was all it took for everyone to be reconciled to God, escape the second death, and attain to life ever after, none would ultimately be lost (known as universalism).


LOL! Like that^ ?
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Yes!!! …. Like that!
 
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When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

- Matthew 9:12-13

When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

- Mark 2:17

Jesus answered and said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

- Luke 5:31-32
 
Cameron143

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selahsays said:
Even before the foundation of the world, Satan rebelled

Yes, Jesus paid the ultimate price, but we must believe. (John 3:16).
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Ok. I'm going to ask a series of questions so all the answers will be in 1 post, if you are so gracious to answer it will be most appreciated. I am interested in your explanation for each answer and will give you opportunity to explain each. But just so I can get my head around what you believe, please just answer yes or no.

1. Other than the cross, has God made a way for the forgiveness of Adam's sin or our personal sins?
2. Is the basis for God's forgiveness the payment Jesus satisfied on the cross?
3. Is salvation by grace alone?
4. Is unbelief a sin?
5. Is unbelief an unforgivable sin?
6. Is belief a condition of salvation or a cause of salvation?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Ok. I'm going to ask a series of questions so all the answers will be in 1 post, if you are so gracious to answer it will be most appreciated. I am interested in your explanation for each answer and will give you opportunity to explain each. But just so I can get my head around what you believe, please just answer yes or no.

1. Other than the cross, has God made a way for the forgiveness of Adam's sin or our personal sins?
2. Is the basis for God's forgiveness the payment Jesus satisfied on the cross?
3. Is salvation by grace alone?
4. Is unbelief a sin?
5. Is unbelief an unforgivable sin?
6. Is belief a condition of salvation or a cause of salvation?
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1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. No. (There is only one unforgivable sin)
6. a condition of
 
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selahsays said:
1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. No. (There is only one unforgivable sin)
6. a condition of
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I agree with every answer.
On the cross, did Jesus pay for every sin ever committed and those still yet to be committed?
 
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Regarding #5, those who have not been taught the Truth of the Gospel don’t stand a chance. In the millennium, they will be taught the Truth, before the Great White Throne Judgment.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I agree with every answer.
On the cross, did Jesus pay for every sin ever committed and those still yet to be committed?
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The way I understand it, no. Everyone must choose Christ in this earth age.
 
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selahsays said:
Regarding #5, those who have not been taught the Truth of the Gospel don’t stand a chance. In the millennium, they will be taught the Truth, before the Great White Throne Judgment.
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Can God teach anyone anywhere?
 
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selahsays said:
By grace alone through faith (believing)
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You answered earlier that faith is a condition of salvation and not a cause. Are you saying as a result of a work of God in us we believe unto salvation, or we believe and then God works in us unto salvation?
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
He wont send someone to hell for sin,he paid for sin, he will send them because they did not believe
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Then you are admitting... that you believe it's OK Christians to go ahead and live in sin... as though they have never been born again and not die spiritually .

According to Gal 6:7,8 this is mocking God... congratulations, this makes satan and all his demons very happy to see their message first preached by satan to Adam and Eve continually being broadcast

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Magenta said:
If Adam and Eve had no sin nature, how was it they came to actually sin?
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Amazing that anyone would believe that God put sin nature in to Adam and Eve when He created them... which is blaming God Almighty of wrong doing which is saying it's God's fault that Adam and Eve sinned! clueless-doh.gif

There's NO darkness in God, so He does not have sin nature in Himself so it's not possible for Him to have done this.

Everything God ever created was good and perfect when He created it... including creating lucifer who was created perfect... and then later inquiry was found in him

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You answered earlier that faith is a condition of salvation and not a cause. Are you saying as a result of a work of God in us we believe unto salvation, or we believe and then God works in us unto salvation?
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I believe it is as a result of a work of God in us that we believe unto salvation.

My understanding:
1. Grace comes first.
2. Faith comes after.

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

- John 6:44-45
 
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