The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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HeIsHere

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Transgression of the law. How does this answer the question I posed? You continue to broaden the scope of the discussion. Just tell me plainly what sin is God justified in condemning a person to hell for after receiving and accepting payment for it?
None.
 

Cameron143

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Nope, not at all. On the contrary, I suspect you of the same thing. I keep wondering… do you ever repent for daily sins?
I do. I'm far from perfect. But forgiveness for my sins isn't caused by my repentance. The basis for my forgiveness is the cross. Without my sins being paid for there is no forgiveness, regardless of how many times I repent. And that's a settled matter.
What you propose is that God accepted the payment for someone's sin and still condemns them to hell.
Now God is sovereign and can do as He pleases. But God cannot be just in sending people to hell having accepted payment for their sin anymore than you would consider me to be just if I accepted a payment made on your behalf and still demanded payment.
 

selahsays

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I do. I'm far from perfect. But forgiveness for my sins isn't caused by my repentance. The basis for my forgiveness is the cross. Without my sins being paid for there is no forgiveness, regardless of how many times I repent. And that's a settled matter.
What you propose is that God accepted the payment for someone's sin and still condemns them to hell.
Now God is sovereign and can do as He pleases. But God cannot be just in sending people to hell having accepted payment for their sin anymore than you would consider me to be just if I accepted a payment made on your behalf and still demanded payment.
You didn’t understand what I posted previously. ….but that’s okay, brother. Peace.
 

Cameron143

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You didn’t understand what I posted previously. ….but that’s okay, brother. Peace.
I did understand all you offered. And I answered your questions. You allow the same courtesy to me. Grace and peace.
 

selahsays

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I did understand all you offered. And I answered your questions. You allow the same courtesy to me. Grace and peace.
I truly did answer your questions. Remember? I answered yes.
 

selahsays

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So Jesus didn't pay for every person's sin on the cross? And hasn't everyone been in unbelief at some point?
Jesus paid for the sin (fallen state of humanity) because of the serpent (Satan) in the garden. Satan brought death. Jesus brought LIFE.
 

Cameron143

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Jesus paid for the sin (fallen state of humanity) because of the serpent (Satan) in the garden. Satan brought death. Jesus brought LIFE.
Do our individual sins require payment?
 

selahsays

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Even before the foundation of the world, Satan rebelled
Do our individual sins require payment?
Yes, Jesus paid the ultimate price, but we must believe. (John 3:16).