The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Beginning/wars/famines/pests/earthquakes
Gospel preached to world
Many false prophets/don't be deceived
70 weeks/ New world order/beast rise up/
War in heaven/Two witness arrive/deadly wound
Sun as sack cloth/moon blood/Satan cast to earth/deadly wound healed/days of Noe/fallen angels/flood of lies/falling away/apostasy/with child/hour of temptation/my lord delayeth his coming/image set up/mark of the beast/buy and sell
Abomination of desolation/fallen angels one hour kings in 10 kingdoms/smite and begin to eat and drink
Delivered up/10 day trials/two witness killed/servants not looking for him
Flee Judea/CHRIST coming/don't need supplies
Endure to the end/Sun darkened/Great Trumpet/Great tribulation/
Lightening coming out of east/Dead rise /Alive and remain changed/Lords day begins
That is only if you don't believe that THE RANSOM WAS PAID. I do.
I believe the dead WERE RAISED and Christ was raised because if the dead don't rise, then the dead Christ didn't rise either.
If the dead WILL BE RISING IN THE FUTURE, then Christ will ALSO BE RISING IN THE FUTURE/Do you see the problem?
But since I believe the RANSOM was paid and death defeated, I also believe in INSTANT pass through death single person raptures for the saved.
John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
CAUTION I personally believe that to return, Christ has got to come back, and when Christ comes back ,He is returning. I know, silly me to use such common sense. BUT since I use that kind of reasoning, that OF COURSE makes me ALSO believe that FOLLOW ME means FOLLOW ME and to go where He went MEANS go where He went and it DOESN'T MEAN 'WAIT UNTIL HE RETURNS FOR EVERYONE ALL AT ONCE TO START RULE and REIGN ON THE EARTH'.
John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
CAUTION Again, SILLY ME, as GOES means GOES and doesn't mean RETURNS
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
CAUTION I must be stark raving mad because here again, I will come and receive you so that you can be where I am DOESN'T MEAN WAIT UNTIL THE FUTURE AND I WILL COME TO BE WHERE YOU ARE.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED TO KNOW THE WAY TO A PLACE THEY AREN'T GOING?
I believe the dead WERE RAISED and Christ was raised because if the dead don't rise, then the dead Christ didn't rise either.
If the dead WILL BE RISING IN THE FUTURE, then Christ will ALSO BE RISING IN THE FUTURE/Do you see the problem?
But since I believe the RANSOM was paid and death defeated, I also believe in INSTANT pass through death single person raptures for the saved.
John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
CAUTION I personally believe that to return, Christ has got to come back, and when Christ comes back ,He is returning. I know, silly me to use such common sense. BUT since I use that kind of reasoning, that OF COURSE makes me ALSO believe that FOLLOW ME means FOLLOW ME and to go where He went MEANS go where He went and it DOESN'T MEAN 'WAIT UNTIL HE RETURNS FOR EVERYONE ALL AT ONCE TO START RULE and REIGN ON THE EARTH'.
John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
CAUTION Again, SILLY ME, as GOES means GOES and doesn't mean RETURNS
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
CAUTION I must be stark raving mad because here again, I will come and receive you so that you can be where I am DOESN'T MEAN WAIT UNTIL THE FUTURE AND I WILL COME TO BE WHERE YOU ARE.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED TO KNOW THE WAY TO A PLACE THEY AREN'T GOING?
You just got done saying they don't have anything to do with each other. To study the Jewish for the church makes no sense. We don't get to just pick out stuff and apply it cause it backs up a theory we like. IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN. Where is it written the Church is to FOLLOW the wedding tradition of the Jews ESPECIALLY if they were broken off?
HOW CONFUSING IS THIS GOING TO GET? SEEMS only SCHOLARS could ever follow ALL these things that don't relate TO EACH other and aren't written. How about instead of bringing up new problems, try addressing and solving the the ones that have already been brought up because if they CAN'T BE FIXED then all that follows doesn't matter.
OUR GATHERING TO THE LORD IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN, IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN, IT IS STRAIGHT FORWARD in its manner. SO HOW is there any way that there is a gathering before. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT MAKES VOID THE WORDS OF GOD.
THE ONLY WAY AROUND THAT IS WITH LIES.
THE REST DOESN'T MATTER.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye BE NOT soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
WHAT ISN'T COMING? OUR GATHERING TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
DO NOT BE SHAKEN IN MIND THE DAY OF OUR GATHERING TOGETHER WITH CHRIST SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY
DO NOT BE TROUBLE, OUR GATHERING TOGETHER WITH CHRIST SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED
DO NOT BE TROUBLED BY ANY SPIRIT ABOUT OUR GATHERING TO CHRIST, BECAUSE IT SHALL NOT COME UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED THE SON OF PERDITION
DO NOT BE TROUBLED OR SHAKEN IN MIND NOT EVEN BY THE LETTER FROM US THAT THE DAY WE WILL BE GATHERED TO CHRIST COMES AFTER A FALLING AWAY
ANY GATHERING TO CHRIST SHALL NOT COME UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNTIL AFTER SATAN HAS COME. THERE IS NO GETTING AROUND THIS.
FOR ANYONE TO SAY THAT THERE IS A GATHERING TO CHRIST BEFORE IS NOT READING WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE AND THAT IS NOT GOOD.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
THERE GOES ANY POSSIBILITY TO REFERENCE TO 1 THESS ANYTHING FOR A CHURCH RAPTURE.
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
INIQUITY IS ALREADY WORKING AND PAUL KNEW IT. THAT IS WHY HE WROTE THIS SO VERY CLEARLY AND WITHOUT ANY ROOM TO GET AROUND IT.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the Brightness of His coming
9 Even Him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
HOW CONFUSING IS THIS GOING TO GET? SEEMS only SCHOLARS could ever follow ALL these things that don't relate TO EACH other and aren't written. How about instead of bringing up new problems, try addressing and solving the the ones that have already been brought up because if they CAN'T BE FIXED then all that follows doesn't matter.
OUR GATHERING TO THE LORD IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN, IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN, IT IS STRAIGHT FORWARD in its manner. SO HOW is there any way that there is a gathering before. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT MAKES VOID THE WORDS OF GOD.
THE ONLY WAY AROUND THAT IS WITH LIES.
THE REST DOESN'T MATTER.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye BE NOT soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
WHAT ISN'T COMING? OUR GATHERING TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
DO NOT BE SHAKEN IN MIND THE DAY OF OUR GATHERING TOGETHER WITH CHRIST SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY
DO NOT BE TROUBLE, OUR GATHERING TOGETHER WITH CHRIST SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED
DO NOT BE TROUBLED BY ANY SPIRIT ABOUT OUR GATHERING TO CHRIST, BECAUSE IT SHALL NOT COME UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED THE SON OF PERDITION
DO NOT BE TROUBLED OR SHAKEN IN MIND NOT EVEN BY THE LETTER FROM US THAT THE DAY WE WILL BE GATHERED TO CHRIST COMES AFTER A FALLING AWAY
ANY GATHERING TO CHRIST SHALL NOT COME UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNTIL AFTER SATAN HAS COME. THERE IS NO GETTING AROUND THIS.
FOR ANYONE TO SAY THAT THERE IS A GATHERING TO CHRIST BEFORE IS NOT READING WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE AND THAT IS NOT GOOD.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
THERE GOES ANY POSSIBILITY TO REFERENCE TO 1 THESS ANYTHING FOR A CHURCH RAPTURE.
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
INIQUITY IS ALREADY WORKING AND PAUL KNEW IT. THAT IS WHY HE WROTE THIS SO VERY CLEARLY AND WITHOUT ANY ROOM TO GET AROUND IT.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the Brightness of His coming
9 Even Him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Your assessment is based upon a serious misunderstanding about the Rapture and the Tribulation (a specific period if time).
1. Christians will not escape trials, tribulations, testings, persecutions, and martyrdom. In fact many Christians are suffering very seriously for their faith right now. Paul said that we must -- through much tribulation -- enter the Kingdom of God.
2. However, the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are specific periods of divine judgment reserved for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked. That seven-year period (which corresponds to Daniel's 70th week) is for the wrath of God to be poured out on the earth. That is when the seven trumpet judgments will be fulfilled.
3. The Tribulation corresponds to the reign of the Antichrist, and the Antichrist cannot take control of the world until and unless the Holy Spirit and the Church are "taken out of the way". So while the Church is in Heaven, all Hell literally breaks out on earth.
4. The purpose of the Resurrection/Rapture is for the perfection and glorification of the saints. It is the culmination of salvation. Therefore it has no connection to divine judgments on earth.
5. One of the best examples of how those who are deemed righteous by God are shielded from His wrath is the removal of Lot and his family from Sodom. The Bible calls Lot "righteous", so God sent two angels to literally drag Lot, his wife, and daughters out of the doomed city before it was utterly destroyed. We do not need to discuss Lot's wife.
6. The next outstanding example is that of Noah and his family. God personally shut them into the ark before He poured out His judgment on earth with the Flood. Noah's ark is a type of Christ, and those who are in Christ are NOT subject to the wrath of God.
If Christians would simply see the difference between salvation and damnation, they would understand that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is totally consistent with the character of God and Christ. This is not based upon our merits our good works, but purely based upon the grace of God and the finished work of Christ. This is not "escapism" but Gospel truth.
1. Christians will not escape trials, tribulations, testings, persecutions, and martyrdom. In fact many Christians are suffering very seriously for their faith right now. Paul said that we must -- through much tribulation -- enter the Kingdom of God.
2. However, the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are specific periods of divine judgment reserved for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked. That seven-year period (which corresponds to Daniel's 70th week) is for the wrath of God to be poured out on the earth. That is when the seven trumpet judgments will be fulfilled.
3. The Tribulation corresponds to the reign of the Antichrist, and the Antichrist cannot take control of the world until and unless the Holy Spirit and the Church are "taken out of the way". So while the Church is in Heaven, all Hell literally breaks out on earth.
4. The purpose of the Resurrection/Rapture is for the perfection and glorification of the saints. It is the culmination of salvation. Therefore it has no connection to divine judgments on earth.
5. One of the best examples of how those who are deemed righteous by God are shielded from His wrath is the removal of Lot and his family from Sodom. The Bible calls Lot "righteous", so God sent two angels to literally drag Lot, his wife, and daughters out of the doomed city before it was utterly destroyed. We do not need to discuss Lot's wife.
6. The next outstanding example is that of Noah and his family. God personally shut them into the ark before He poured out His judgment on earth with the Flood. Noah's ark is a type of Christ, and those who are in Christ are NOT subject to the wrath of God.
If Christians would simply see the difference between salvation and damnation, they would understand that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is totally consistent with the character of God and Christ. This is not based upon our merits our good works, but purely based upon the grace of God and the finished work of Christ. This is not "escapism" but Gospel truth.
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What I meant to say is that if you understand the Jewish wedding Ceremony as it relates to the Church, in terms of the statements made by Jesus and Paul, you will come to the inevitable conclusion that the Church is raptured before the 70th week of Daniel.
In other words, the rapture must preceed the revealing of the "man of sin" and the 70th week of Daniel. So in that sense it is of critical importance eschatologically. Which is why Paul dealt with it in no uncertain terms.
In other words, the rapture must preceed the revealing of the "man of sin" and the 70th week of Daniel. So in that sense it is of critical importance eschatologically. Which is why Paul dealt with it in no uncertain terms.
What the false conveyors were purporting, Paul is pointing out in v.2, was "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative; G1764 - ἐνέστηκεν enestēken ]".
That's NOT the same thing as your BLUE (Subject of v.1)... the false claimants' words had nothing to do with THAT Subject (which Subject, v.1, PAUL is bringing to bear on the issue of the Subject [of the faulty claim] of v.2).
NO.
Not what the text says.
The "that day" of v.3a refers back to the Subject / content of v.2's false claimants' faulty purporting "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE" (playing out upon the EARTH, where it is ONLY EVER slated to unfold)
That's NOT the same thing as your BLUE (Subject of v.1)... the false claimants' words had nothing to do with THAT Subject (which Subject, v.1, PAUL is bringing to bear on the issue of the Subject [of the faulty claim] of v.2).
NO.
Not what the text says.
The "that day" of v.3a refers back to the Subject / content of v.2's false claimants' faulty purporting "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE" (playing out upon the EARTH, where it is ONLY EVER slated to unfold)
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The "that day" of v.3a refers back to the Subject / content of v.2's false claimants' faulty purporting "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE" (playing out upon the EARTH, where it is ONLY EVER slated to unfold).
Which is COMPLETELY DISTINCT from the Subject of "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" v.1 (our Rapture... IN THE AIR... "TO the meeting OF THE LORD *in the air*"--the location to where the Lord will "descend" at the time when we are "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP TOGETHER [/AT THE SAME TIME]")<---the false claimants were not speaking of THIS Subject AT ALL (v.2... to which v.3a ['that day'] refers back to).
The "that day" of v.3a refers back to the Subject / content of v.2's false claimants' faulty purporting "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE" (playing out upon the EARTH, where it is ONLY EVER slated to unfold).
Which is COMPLETELY DISTINCT from the Subject of "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" v.1 (our Rapture... IN THE AIR... "TO the meeting OF THE LORD *in the air*"--the location to where the Lord will "descend" at the time when we are "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP TOGETHER [/AT THE SAME TIME]")<---the false claimants were not speaking of THIS Subject AT ALL (v.2... to which v.3a ['that day'] refers back to).
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What is dol in this context? It is depend on the context
1"A group of Christian consisting a,b,c and d visit a prison, they bring a food
2. A group of Christian consisting f g and g visit hospital, they pray for the sick
They on 1 different from they on 2 deppend on the context
In 2 Tess 2 Paul only mention second coming and rapture will not happen before a man of sin being reveal
1"A group of Christian consisting a,b,c and d visit a prison, they bring a food
2. A group of Christian consisting f g and g visit hospital, they pray for the sick
They on 1 different from they on 2 deppend on the context
In 2 Tess 2 Paul only mention second coming and rapture will not happen before a man of sin being reveal
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Mans words making VOID THE WORDS OF GOD. I truly understand why you would like to SKIP this but until you can get this to DISAPPEAR from the words of God, all the REASONS in the world wont change anything.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto HIM
Is/are the SUBJECT (s)
1. The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
and
2. OUR gathering together UNTO HIM
I am sincerely hoping you can and do answer YES to those two questions. KEEP THAT THOUGHT
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means
for that day shall not come
WHAT day WILL NOT COME? the day we are gathered to HIM
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
What must happen before the day we are gathered? a falling away and man of sin revealed
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
THOSE ARE THE VERY SUBJECTS THIS LETTER IS WRITTEN ABOUT AND IT IS BECAUSE OF A MISUNDERSTANDING EVEN WAY BACK THEN, AS IT IS TODAY.
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
WHAT ELSE MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE ANYONE IS GATHERED TO THE LORD? THAT wicked be revealed
WHO WILL BE REVEALING THAT WICKED ONE? the Lord
WHEN THE WICKED IS REVEALED WHAT HAPPENS? he is consumed with the SPIRIT OF THE LORDS MOUTH
THEN WHAT HAPPENS? he is destroyed with the BRIGHTNESS of HIS COMING
NO MATTER WHAT I MISUNDERSTAND, I DON'T MISUNDERSTAND THIS.
Pre trib teaches the NEXT TO SHOW is where you go. Christ talked about that also and here is WHAT IS WRITTEN
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
9 Even HIM, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and g2Thessalonians d hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto HIM
Is/are the SUBJECT (s)
1. The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
and
2. OUR gathering together UNTO HIM
I am sincerely hoping you can and do answer YES to those two questions. KEEP THAT THOUGHT
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means
for that day shall not come
WHAT day WILL NOT COME? the day we are gathered to HIM
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
What must happen before the day we are gathered? a falling away and man of sin revealed
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
THOSE ARE THE VERY SUBJECTS THIS LETTER IS WRITTEN ABOUT AND IT IS BECAUSE OF A MISUNDERSTANDING EVEN WAY BACK THEN, AS IT IS TODAY.
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
WHAT ELSE MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE ANYONE IS GATHERED TO THE LORD? THAT wicked be revealed
WHO WILL BE REVEALING THAT WICKED ONE? the Lord
WHEN THE WICKED IS REVEALED WHAT HAPPENS? he is consumed with the SPIRIT OF THE LORDS MOUTH
THEN WHAT HAPPENS? he is destroyed with the BRIGHTNESS of HIS COMING
NO MATTER WHAT I MISUNDERSTAND, I DON'T MISUNDERSTAND THIS.
Pre trib teaches the NEXT TO SHOW is where you go. Christ talked about that also and here is WHAT IS WRITTEN
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
9 Even HIM, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and g2Thessalonians d hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
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Study "the day of the Lord" throughout Scripture. It is ONLY EVER located ON THE EARTH.
Study what Paul said earlier regarding the Subject of "the day of the Lord" (1Th5:1-3)... he says the Thessalonians "KNOW PERFECTLY" the manner of its ARRIVAL (for it to play out UPON THE EARTH)
The false claimants of v.2 were ONLY covering the Subject of THAT WHICH will / is slated to unfold UPON THE EARTH ("the DOTL")--there is NOTHING in their words that convey ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"<--this was NOT what Subject THEY were communicating (per the TEXT of what Paul is informing about their false claim IN VERSE 2!)
All you are wanting to do is to incorrectly equate the Subject IN VERSE 1 (which PAUL is bringing to bear on the problem of v.2's false claim) with that of the Subject OF VERSE 2 (the content of the "false claim"... which [DOTL] is ONLY EVER *EARTHLY-LOCATED*... a TIME PERIOD)
Not what he says.
He says (instead) "3 that day [the earthly-located DOTL (from v.2)] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* AND the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (he is "REVEALED" at the START of the "7 yr period"... not at its MIDDLE nor at its END)
Paul's v.1 Subject is NOT identical to the "false claimants'" Subject v.2. [<--this is your MIS-STEP in interpreting what Paul is actually conveying!]
V.3a starts out by pointing back to v.2's Subject... and then talks about how v.1's Subject (PAUL'S Subject) "FITS" in relation TO the OTHER Subject (time-wise / chronology-wise / SEQUENCE-wise)
Study what Paul said earlier regarding the Subject of "the day of the Lord" (1Th5:1-3)... he says the Thessalonians "KNOW PERFECTLY" the manner of its ARRIVAL (for it to play out UPON THE EARTH)
The false claimants of v.2 were ONLY covering the Subject of THAT WHICH will / is slated to unfold UPON THE EARTH ("the DOTL")--there is NOTHING in their words that convey ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"<--this was NOT what Subject THEY were communicating (per the TEXT of what Paul is informing about their false claim IN VERSE 2!)
All you are wanting to do is to incorrectly equate the Subject IN VERSE 1 (which PAUL is bringing to bear on the problem of v.2's false claim) with that of the Subject OF VERSE 2 (the content of the "false claim"... which [DOTL] is ONLY EVER *EARTHLY-LOCATED*... a TIME PERIOD)
Not what he says.
He says (instead) "3 that day [the earthly-located DOTL (from v.2)] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* AND the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (he is "REVEALED" at the START of the "7 yr period"... not at its MIDDLE nor at its END)
Paul's v.1 Subject is NOT identical to the "false claimants'" Subject v.2. [<--this is your MIS-STEP in interpreting what Paul is actually conveying!]
V.3a starts out by pointing back to v.2's Subject... and then talks about how v.1's Subject (PAUL'S Subject) "FITS" in relation TO the OTHER Subject (time-wise / chronology-wise / SEQUENCE-wise)
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