The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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A Google (or DuckDuck) search for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture brings up more attacks on it than the opposite. And Francisco Ribera is made a scapegoat, along with Hal Lindsey and others. The idea is that if the word "Jesuit" is used, it will automatically mean that there is no value in whatever has been written. Then there are sneering remarks about a "secret" Rapture, since many do not even understand the fundamental truth that the Rapture does not involve the unbelieving world, therefore it is "secret" by definition.
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I ask SILLY questions because common sense seems to HAVE GONE OUT THE WINDOW.
Christ cant come with out returning and cant return without coming. FACTS that don't seem to slow anyone down as they seek to save themselves. As they seek to be saved without picking up their cross and following after HIM. As they seek to not endure to the end but the middle. As they seek after the promises but not the work to be accomplished.
WHO is the Lambs wife? Lets first find out where they are and when the Holy City is coming to.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY AREN'T ON EARTH AND COMING TO EARTH AT THE SAME TIME or is this now possible also? Wouldn't that be just like that returning without coming and coming without returning we hear so much about when speaking on this subject?
BABEL - CONFUSION - God, not the author of it
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
ONE THING FOR SURE IS PRE TRIBS DON'T OVERCOME ANY THING THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAINING DO. Pre tribs don't ENDURE TO THE END like those who are alive and remaining do either. But I'll just bet they are told they will be receiving the promises, right?
I am not saying YOU are fearful but
EVERYONE CAN AT ANY TIME
GO BACK OVER THE MILLIONS OF POSTS TO SEE THAT
'ESCAPING THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND ALL THE DEATH AND FAMINE AND AFFLICTIONS AND BEHEADINGS As THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, ALONG WITH all the woes unto those LEFT BEHIND'
IT EXACTLY WHAT PRE TRIB TEACHES.
It IS THE REASON FOR THE MAJORITY OF BELIEVERS of THIS DOCTRINE THAT TAKE 'FAITH' IN GODS PROTECTION OF HIS OWN OFF THE TABLE AND INSTEAD have THEMSELVES DECLARING THEMSELVES SAVED BEFORE DEATH AND JUDGMENT. WOW
DO THESE SEEM LIKE SILLY ANSWERS? DOES IT SEEM AS IF I HAVE GONE TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH?
I do have FAITH IN GOD TO be able to DELIVER OR KEEP FROM TEMPTATION OR WRATH while in AN EARTHY BODY because I was taught to put on ARMOR, not a dress.
THAT IS THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Doesn't matter if God joys in the death of one of His saints. Doesn't matter that EVEN THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD HAD TO BE PERFECTED. DOESN'T MATTER THAT HE WOULD JUST AS LIKELY SPIT THE CHURCH OUT of His mouth or take away its candle stick, pre trib BUILDS A TOWER TO HEAVEN USING SCRIPTURE INSTEAD OF BRICK.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
The 70th week of Daniel = the time of Tribulation.
You need to understand that the 70th week pertains to Israel.....never the Church.
The Church has already been raptured by Revelation 4:1. So noted in 23 of 24 available manuscripts.
You also need to comprehend Jesus' statements (Matt 26:27,28, John 14:2 etc), and Paul's revelation as it relates to the Jewish wedding ritual. The Bride and Groom are enjoying a seven day aka seven-year honeymoon in heaven, (the Bride having been raptured) before the70th week of Daniel begins.
This seven-year honeymoon lasts from Revelation 6 through 18. The Church is not found anywhere in those chapters. Jesus next returns WITH His Bride in Rev 19.
You need to understand that the 70th week pertains to Israel.....never the Church.
The Church has already been raptured by Revelation 4:1. So noted in 23 of 24 available manuscripts.
You also need to comprehend Jesus' statements (Matt 26:27,28, John 14:2 etc), and Paul's revelation as it relates to the Jewish wedding ritual. The Bride and Groom are enjoying a seven day aka seven-year honeymoon in heaven, (the Bride having been raptured) before the70th week of Daniel begins.
This seven-year honeymoon lasts from Revelation 6 through 18. The Church is not found anywhere in those chapters. Jesus next returns WITH His Bride in Rev 19.
WOULD YOU PASS?
Lightening has just stuck. The thunder is sounding.
THE TIME TO REPENT IS PAST.
Are you or are you not without spot or blemish?
24 Therefore as THE CHURCH IS SUBJECT UNTO CHRIST so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it;
26 That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water BY THE WORD
27 That He might present it to Himself a glorious church not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
How did He do that? By doing what the LAW could not do and that is FORGIVE SIN.
So by bringing in the NEW COVENANT so that the FORGIVNESS of sins might be accomplished through HIS BLOOD shed and by our repentance and asking for that forgiveness, we could be washed clean without any of the old ritual needing to be performed. No going to find the best of our flock, bringing it to the temple, sheding its blood, confessing to a priest who who then go to God for us...no it can be instant upon repentance.
Always be watching and always be ready for we don't know at what moment He might appear TO US. A heart attack, a car wreck, a blood clot. ALWAYS be ready. Always be watching for Him. You never know at what minute...THAT is a PRE TRIBULATION GOING TO GOD IN HEAVEN. But it is an individual rising.
Does anyone really believe all the words about being ready at a moments notice were ONLY written for THE FINAL GENERATION WHO WOULD BE ALIVE TO SEE HIS RETURN? Hopefully not. SO what meaning do they have for EVERYONE for the past 2000 years?
So that lightening struck. WERE YOU WITHOUT SIN and so able to ascend into heaven and come to THE CONSUMING FIRE?
Does anyone remember what the Priests that went into the Holy of Holies wore and why?
Lightening has just stuck. The thunder is sounding.
THE TIME TO REPENT IS PAST.
Are you or are you not without spot or blemish?
24 Therefore as THE CHURCH IS SUBJECT UNTO CHRIST so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it;
26 That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water BY THE WORD
27 That He might present it to Himself a glorious church not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
How did He do that? By doing what the LAW could not do and that is FORGIVE SIN.
So by bringing in the NEW COVENANT so that the FORGIVNESS of sins might be accomplished through HIS BLOOD shed and by our repentance and asking for that forgiveness, we could be washed clean without any of the old ritual needing to be performed. No going to find the best of our flock, bringing it to the temple, sheding its blood, confessing to a priest who who then go to God for us...no it can be instant upon repentance.
Always be watching and always be ready for we don't know at what moment He might appear TO US. A heart attack, a car wreck, a blood clot. ALWAYS be ready. Always be watching for Him. You never know at what minute...THAT is a PRE TRIBULATION GOING TO GOD IN HEAVEN. But it is an individual rising.
Does anyone really believe all the words about being ready at a moments notice were ONLY written for THE FINAL GENERATION WHO WOULD BE ALIVE TO SEE HIS RETURN? Hopefully not. SO what meaning do they have for EVERYONE for the past 2000 years?
So that lightening struck. WERE YOU WITHOUT SIN and so able to ascend into heaven and come to THE CONSUMING FIRE?
Does anyone remember what the Priests that went into the Holy of Holies wore and why?
And that is of the LAMB and that takes place at the AFTER the Tribulation and after the Lords Day and after Satan being released and after the Lake of Fire and AFTER A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH. SO why go to heaven so early? Are you not to be Priests and rulers with Christ for the 1000 years? After all He would have been on earth all that time while you are in heaven waiting, right?
BEFORE we get to 4:1, we have to get past 1-3
And NO, the church HAS NOT been raptured by then.
And GODS WORDS WILL PROVE IT.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
LETS see, He was tempted by Satan, He was beaten, He was killed. THAT IS HOW HE OVERCAME.
So would it be fair to say that the church NOT BEING TEMPTED, NOT SUFFERING TRIBULATION, AND SUFFERING DEATH
would be more like THE SAME AS HE OVERCAME OR THE OPPOSITE OF HOW HE OVERCAME?
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:
DID HE FORGET TO ADD THE PART 'BUT YOU WONT BE HERE'? It doesn't say 'for information purposes only.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
How can they keep those things if THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE HERE? We must ask ourselves IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION?
Going to show and warn to keep THINGS THAT WILL NEVER BE SEEN???
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches
TRUE, the messages are to the churches BUT IT ISN'T the church that must hear it is HE that hath an ear. SO we see the messages are FOR individuals to hear, not an entity.
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN REDEEMED AT THE TIME CHRIST WOULD HAVE RISEN AS THE LAMB SLAIN WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK?
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE THE CHURCH AS WE ARE ALL SITTING HERE ON EARTH TODAY.
Do you realize that the only time the church is MENTIONED AGAIN is at the end and that is only to testify that HE SENT THE ANGEL?
but NOT ONE TIME is the 'church' AS AN ENTITY ever mentioned as BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN. BEING IN HEAVEN. OR RETURNING FROM HEAVEN
ALL THOSE WORDS ARE OF MANS ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD. THAT IS A BAD THING
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And NO, the church HAS NOT been raptured by then.
And GODS WORDS WILL PROVE IT.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
LETS see, He was tempted by Satan, He was beaten, He was killed. THAT IS HOW HE OVERCAME.
So would it be fair to say that the church NOT BEING TEMPTED, NOT SUFFERING TRIBULATION, AND SUFFERING DEATH
would be more like THE SAME AS HE OVERCAME OR THE OPPOSITE OF HOW HE OVERCAME?
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:
DID HE FORGET TO ADD THE PART 'BUT YOU WONT BE HERE'? It doesn't say 'for information purposes only.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
How can they keep those things if THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE HERE? We must ask ourselves IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION?
Going to show and warn to keep THINGS THAT WILL NEVER BE SEEN???
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches
TRUE, the messages are to the churches BUT IT ISN'T the church that must hear it is HE that hath an ear. SO we see the messages are FOR individuals to hear, not an entity.
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN REDEEMED AT THE TIME CHRIST WOULD HAVE RISEN AS THE LAMB SLAIN WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK?
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE THE CHURCH AS WE ARE ALL SITTING HERE ON EARTH TODAY.
Do you realize that the only time the church is MENTIONED AGAIN is at the end and that is only to testify that HE SENT THE ANGEL?
but NOT ONE TIME is the 'church' AS AN ENTITY ever mentioned as BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN. BEING IN HEAVEN. OR RETURNING FROM HEAVEN
ALL THOSE WORDS ARE OF MANS ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD. THAT IS A BAD THING
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I know there are no weddings taking place until AFTER THE LORDS DAY. I know the LORD can't gather anyone until He returns and He is returning for the day of vengeance. I have Scripture for that. Have you any Scripture at all that says the church is being taken to heaven? Or the church is in heaven? or that the church is returning from heaven?
Yup. I have a full comprehensive complement of all the scriptures anyone needs. And so does everyone else.
BTW......as Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 15, there are orders and ranks of the first resurrection.
Christ is the first born of many brethren, the first fruits of the resurrection......but He ranks preeminent above everyone and everything else.
So it is with the elect of the first resurrection. There are orders, ranks and subsets. A similar ranking order and structure exists today in the angelic realm as well.
My point is that the Church, the Bride, is of a unique rank, and a very exalted one at that. And the Church is a specific component of the first resurrection, a unique resurrection that occupies a specific timeframe, with strict boundaries.
Tribulation saints and Old Testament saints follow suit and are of different ranks/orders too....
BTW......as Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 15, there are orders and ranks of the first resurrection.
Christ is the first born of many brethren, the first fruits of the resurrection......but He ranks preeminent above everyone and everything else.
So it is with the elect of the first resurrection. There are orders, ranks and subsets. A similar ranking order and structure exists today in the angelic realm as well.
My point is that the Church, the Bride, is of a unique rank, and a very exalted one at that. And the Church is a specific component of the first resurrection, a unique resurrection that occupies a specific timeframe, with strict boundaries.
Tribulation saints and Old Testament saints follow suit and are of different ranks/orders too....
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