You're welcome. People who go on forums pushing their unsupported ideas should be held to account.
Failing to answer these basic questions at least shows everyone who just reads these threads that they don't have answers nor any evidence from Scripture.
They are exposed by their own silence.
Exposed they are and Exposed they will be and not just by their silence...because it is written,
as plain as day, where it can't be missed, Gods truth on it. It definitely shows us who 'sees' the reality we will be living It was written Jesus would walk the earth, the Son of God, in the flesh performing miracles just as the day of vengeance and Judgment were. It is coming upon us, just as written. GODS WORDS ARE PURE.
I try and tell people it doesn't matter what we
believe to be truth, the only TRUTH,
is what is written and that is what is going to be. GOD isn't playing a game. We are being proved with every post we post. I am positive of this truth. These are some of OUR FRUITS. Certainly God expects a bit of righteous indignation every now and again, but we are and will be held responsible for every word. People mistake being saved and forgiven for being judged, thinking they can repent their way out of it later and that just isn't so. Trespassing is one thing but sin is a whole other deal. And one of the worst things we can do is be given the truth and disregard it, because IF the Holy Spirit is leading us, we will be convicted in that truth and IF the Holy Spirit isn't, we can't tell the difference between truth and lies. The plain words written better be heeded just the same. Excuses aren't going to matter one wit. Good intentions aren't going to matter one wit. Heart and mind are going to matter a wit but not when it comes to teaching the words of God. Ever notice what God comes down on most? People who 'call themselves' rather than being called of God. False prophets. Traditions of men.
Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you,
That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
It may not make sense in the 'earthen vessel' but in the heavenly realm, all these things are as real as the skin that covers our body. GODS WORDS ARE PURE.
Psalm 12:1 Help LORD, for the godly man ceaseth for the faithful fail from among the children of men. 2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. 3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things 4 Who have said,
With our tongue will we prevail, our lips are our own, who is lord over us? 5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD;
I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
as silver tried in a furnace, purified seven times - We best be sure we know WHAT IS WRITTEN from HATH GOD SAID?
Ezekiel 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying divination,
saying, The LORD saith and the LORD hath not sent them and they have
made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
7
Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD
Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies they shall not be in the assembly of My people, neither shall they be written
in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Rest assured, the division
here is real, as are the consequences, and it is real bad for those who divine lies.
Can you imagine standing before GOD and using
your words to explain
what you thought His plan was? At least when I stand there I will be saying YOU wrote right here and here
"The for mystery already is working of lawlessness only the restraining at present until out of [the] midst he might be
And then will be revealed the lawless whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him whose is coming according to [the] working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of
the truth not they received in order for to be saved them.
and I taught
The mystery of lawlessness is already working and the only thing restraining 'the trib' from going into full tilt boogie is the end of the war in heaven and Michael casting him to the earth where he and his minions will set about to deceive the world first by healing the deadly wound and setting up the image and with many lying signs and wonders and with flattery and prosperity and finally the promise of peace and safety to all who worship, will accomplish that goal and when he finally stands and claims to be God and kills the two witnesses, THEN will the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS descend and HIS APPEARING REVEAL who Satan really is, making everyone realize the deception THEY have followed and the lawlessness of their lives. That sickle will be thrust into the earth to reap the ripe harvest, and the fowls of the air will be called to feast on the flesh of men and animals from the KINGS on down to the servants as the day of the Lord begins. If I were still alive at that time I would be changed and brought into the ranks of the saved as the business of cleaning up the destruction and desolation that has taken place upon the earth commences. Oh how happy even the earth will be.
Romans 8:18 For I reckon that
the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature
waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity,
not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because
the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also,
which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
HOW ARE WE SAVED? BY HOPE.
24 For we are saved by hope:
but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
HOPE THAT IS SEEN IS NOT HOPE
THEREFORE,
IF THERE WAS A 'PRE TRIB APOSTASY'
THERE COULD BE NO 'TRIB SAINTS'.
Of course, there must be some 'un-common sense' answer for this also. 
