The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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Granted, I believe the KJV Translators were under “Selective Temporal Inspiration.” Meaning at times, they operated by the understanding of the Holy Spirit and at other times, they were operating by their own carnal thinking in trying to resolve things. We see this in Scripture with Peter, and John the Baptist. Peter had at one time said that Jesus is the Son of God but this truth was revealed to him by God the Father. Yet, at another time, Peter's mind did not operate by God when he desired to prevent Jesus in going to the cross. Jesus said, Get behind me, Satan. John the Baptist declared Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Yet, at another point in time while he was in prison, he was asking if Jesus was the One who would come or should they look for another.

So the KJV translators had received inspiration or understanding from God at select points in time, and in the end, God ensured by His promise of Preservation that the right words would have been selected in their work in 1611.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Meaning at times, they operated by the understanding of the Holy Spirit and at other times, they were operating by their own carnal thinking in trying to resolve things.

Why would you make such a remark about "carnal thinking"? Or did you mean "human reasoning" (which is still legitimate)?

Read their Preface and learn what kind of attitude and approach they took in this worthy task. Do you have any evidence in the KJB itself to support this allegation of "carnal thinking"? On one hand you have written hundreds of posts on the KJB and on the other hand you have just undermined everything you have said. How does that add up?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Why would you make such a remark about "carnal thinking"? Or did you mean "human reasoning" (which is still legitimate)?

When I say “carnal thinking” I am referring to outward, or physical “human reasoning.” This is not meant as an insult or an attack. As I pointed out before, Peter and John the Baptist did not always operate by the thinking of the Spirit but other times they did. In the KJV, I believe there is an extremely negative attachment to the word "carnal" and there is more of an outward or human use of the word "carnal."

Outward or physical or human use of the word "carnal":

"For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (2 Corinthians 10:4).
"It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things." (Romans 15:27).

These above two verses are referring to material or outward things, and not anything sinful in and of themselves.

Then there is the sinful or extremely bad or negative use of the word "carnal":

We see an example of this in 1 Corinthians 3:3. Paul says that the Corinthians are carnal and then he lists how they are abiding in the sins of strife and envy, which he says at another place that they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).

Just as Peter and other men of God did not always perfectly align with God’s thoughts or will, we get no indication that the KJV Translators were always 100% operating in perfect alignment with God's mind while translating the Bible. There are indications that they went over the text and made corrections while translating. In fact, the marginal notes (alternate readings) of the KJV prove they did not always have perfect knowledge. It was a process. But God superintended the work to make sure there was no errors in the end of their work.

Read their Preface and learn what kind of attitude and approach they took in this worthy task. Do you have any evidence in the KJB itself to support this allegation of "carnal thinking"? On one hand you have written hundreds of posts on the KJB and on the other hand you have just undermined everything you have said. How does that add up?

Again, I am referring to the word "carnal thinking" as "human reasoning" and it is not an insult. It is not a reference to how they were sinful by any means while translating. I am referring to when they use human reason and they were not always operating by the inspiraton of the Almighty at select points in time by God's working.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Why would you make such a remark about "carnal thinking"? Or did you mean "human reasoning" (which is still legitimate)?

Read their Preface and learn what kind of attitude and approach they took in this worthy task. Do you have any evidence in the KJB itself to support this allegation of "carnal thinking"? On one hand you have written hundreds of posts on the KJB and on the other hand you have just undermined everything you have said. How does that add up?

Granted, the examples I gave involving Peter and John the Baptist shows a lack of faith on their part in bad way when they operated outside of God's will and understanding, but I believe there are times that men or humans can make choices that may be a little more human focused in one's thinking, but it may not necessarily be really bad on an extremely sinful exactly. This is what I am referring to involving the KJV translators. I am not claiming they are exactly sinful while they translated. I just believe at times, they operated by human reason and at other times, God intervened and gave them the inspiration of the Almighty (understanding - Job 38:2) for the benefit of preserving His Words.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

The Error of KJV-Onlyism

Most KJV only people seem to be purveyors of the false teachings of John Calvin.

That's a big red flag!

 

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Most KJV only people seem to be purveyors of the false teachings of John Calvin.

That's a big red flag!

I have been talking on Christian forums since 2010/2011. Since that time, most Calvinists I have ran into were not KJV Only. James White who is the #1 most famous public figure against KJV Onlyism is a Calvinist. I have read a ton of Christian articles on KJV Onlyism online and many of them do not agree with Calvinism. I am also strongly against Calvinism. I know of other KJV Only believers who also do not agree with Calvinism, as well. While there are a few Calvinists who are KJV Only, I do not believe this is the predominant viewpoint in Calvinism today. There are only two Calvinist websites that I can think of who are KJV Only. Most of all the other ones are not KJV Only.

Perplexity confirms this truth even more. It says,

The relationship between Calvinism and the King James Only movement is not a direct or universal one. While some individuals within the King James Only movement may also hold Calvinist beliefs, there is no inherent connection between the two. The King James Only movement emphasizes the superiority of the King James Version of the Bible over other translations, while Calvinism is a theological framework centered on the doctrines of grace and predestination. Both movements have distinct origins, beliefs, and focuses, with some overlap in adherents but not a consistent association across all followers[1][2][3].

Sources
[1] From KJV Onlyism to Calvinism https://capthk.com/2011/02/14/from-kjv-onlyism-to-calvinism/
[2] KJV & Calvinism - A Connexion? - Baptist Board https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/kjv-calvinism-a-connexion.26330/
[3] Calvinism and the King James Bible - Scion of Zion https://www.scionofzion.com/calvinism_kjb.htm

By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/Are-most-KJV-5vMAysiLSdS7.OK0xXBMGQ

 

[Stan_the_Man]

None the less - people following calvin are in BIG trouble and they don't even know it yet!

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

None the less - people following calvin are in BIG trouble and they don't even know it yet!

Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month, and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin’s pulpit calling him a hypocrite.

Michael Servetus was arrested by John Calvin and he approved strongly of the death penalty for his religious heresy.

Calvin appears to have remained convinced for the rest of his life that Servetus’ execution was the right thing to do. In a letter written to Melanchthon about two years after Servetus’ death (also a supporter of Servetus’ execution), Calvin wrote:

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“Your letter, most renowned sir, was grateful to me, not only because whatever comes from you is dear to me, and because it let me know that the affection, which you entertained for me in the commencement of our intercourse, still remains unaltered; but above all because in it I find a magnificent eulogium, in which you commend my zeal in crushing the impiety of Servetus.”​

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Many others faced John Calvin's reign of terror.

Source:
https://safeguardyoursoul.com/calvinisms-origins-and-historical-roots/

Not only that, but all five points of Calvinism are unbiblical, as well. Calvinism's main point (Unconditional Election) is easily refuted by a reading of Jonah 3, and 2 Thessalonians 2:10. So yes, I am no fan of Calvinism. Many KJV-only believers are not into Calvinism which I am aware of. Granted, if somebody is Calvinist and they are KJV-Only, I do strive to build a bridge of peace first in our acceptance of one text. But I have fought against Calvinism numerous times on another forum before. I do strive to pray to reach those who are into Calvinism.

 

[fredoheaven]

Let me take some obvious reasons for how translation is made:

In the case of Mark 1:41

Greek Sources:

The TR Reading of σπλαγχνισθεις splagchnizomai
splangkh-nid'-zom-ahee in Mark 1:41 is also the reading of Sinaticus, Vaticanus, the NA28, Tregelles, ABP Greek, SBLGNT, IGNT.

Other Versions:

Early Versions:

the Old Latin Italic aur, c, e, f, l and q, the Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Sinaitic, Harkelian, the Coptic Sahidic, Boharic, Gothic, the Armenian, Ethiopian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.

I have been talking on Christian forums since 2010/2011. Since that time, most Calvinists I have ran into were not KJV Only. James White who is the #1 most famous public figure against KJV Onlyism is a Calvinist. I have read a ton of Christian articles on KJV Onlyism online and many of them do not agree with Calvinism. I am also strongly against Calvinism. I know of other KJV Only believers who also do not agree with Calvinism, as well. While there are a few Calvinists who are KJV Only, I do not believe this is the predominant viewpoint in Calvinism today. There are only two Calvinist websites that I can think of who are KJV Only. Most of all the other ones are not KJV Only.

Perplexity confirms this truth even more. It says,

The relationship between Calvinism and the King James Only movement is not a direct or universal one. While some individuals within the King James Only movement may also hold Calvinist beliefs, there is no inherent connection between the two. The King James Only movement emphasizes the superiority of the King James Version of the Bible over other translations, while Calvinism is a theological framework centered on the doctrines of grace and predestination. Both movements have distinct origins, beliefs, and focuses, with some overlap in adherents but not a consistent association across all followers[1][2][3].

Sources
[1] From KJV Onlyism to Calvinism https://capthk.com/2011/02/14/from-kjv-onlyism-to-calvinism/
[2] KJV & Calvinism - A Connexion? - Baptist Board https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/kjv-calvinism-a-connexion.26330/
[3] Calvinism and the King James Bible - Scion of Zion https://www.scionofzion.com/calvinism_kjb.htm

By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/Are-most-KJV-5vMAysiLSdS7.OK0xXBMGQ

Add John Mc Arthur

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Let me take some obvious reasons for how translation is made:

In the case of Mark 1:41

Greek Sources:

The TR Reading of σπλαγχνισθεις splagchnizomai
splangkh-nid'-zom-ahee in Mark 1:41 is also the reading of Sinaticus, Vaticanus, the NA28, Tregelles, ABP Greek, SBLGNT, IGNT.

Other Versions:

Early Versions:

the Old Latin Italic aur, c, e, f, l and q, the Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Sinaitic, Harkelian, the Coptic Sahidic, Boharic, Gothic, the Armenian, Ethiopian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.

Add John Mc Arthur

First, ultimately God is the One who is the Key Orchestrator behind His own Word being translated and preserved as per the keeping of the promises of His Word (Which I believe took place with the KJV) (Psalms 12:6-7). Second, I believe the King James Bible translators consulted many sources. They consulted the Textus Receptus Bibles. They used the Beza Greek, and many other Greek sources. I believe they also used ancient MSS, as well. They consulted foreign languages Bibles, etcetera. But they did not use the Critical Text line of Bibles (like John MacArthur’s Legacy Standard Bible, which is based on the NAS95 - which in turn is based on the 27th edition of the Nestle and Aland Critical NT Greek Text). Note: The Nestle and Aland Critical Text favors the Alexandrian manuscripts and it is in the minority of manuscript witnesses. The 27th edition also is the first edition to openly declare that it was supervised by the Vatican.

Anyway, the change in the NIV in Mark 1:41 merely demonstrates the bad fruit of the Modern Bible Movement. Some Modern Bibles like Legacy Standard Bible may get the reading right, but there are scores of other problems in that Bible because it is faithful to the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus (Which was the basis for the Westcott and Hort / Nestle and Aland Text today).

But the TR, KJV, and other reformation Bibles being in agreement with the 5,800 manuscripts shows the consistency of God’s words throughout time. Over 90% of the 5,800 manuscripts are Byzantine. A small percentage of that 5,800 are not Byzantine. But the point is that the greater amount of witnesses with many of them being ancient (with the Latin manuscripts) shows the rich pedigree of our King James Bible that we hold can hold in our hands today. Based on this fact, the testimony of Scripture, the purity of doctrine, and the influence of the KJV, we can declare with confidence that our King James Bible is indeed the pure and preserved words of God for today.

May the Lord Jesus Christ get all the glory.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Calvin appears to have remained convinced for the rest of his life that Servetus’ execution was the right thing to do

And as an unrepentant murderer, he is in hell right now - 1 John 3:15

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

And as an unrepentant murderer, he is in hell right now - 1 John 3:15

Yes, there is hell and murderers who do not repent and accept Christ and His good ways will go there. It is not a pleasant place. However, I believe it is always best to focus on the good we can do today for Christ, and not the past that we cannot change. God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11). God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). We are to set our affections on things above (Colossians 3:2). We are to shine the light of Christ, and His love to others. By our love for one another is how others will know we are Christ’s disciples (John 13:35).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I believe if we are to truly love Christ, we must keep His commandments (John 14:15).
However, certain NT commands of God are changed in Modern Bibles.
This is again is one of the many reasons why I believe the KJV is the pure Word of God for today.

 

[jamessb]

Why does anyone in their right mind prefer a 400+ year old Bible, created as a political document by a tyrant king, in a language that is dead (not spoken/written anywhere on Earth) to a modern translation, translated from the best sources by the best scholars, written in the language that most of us have used all our lives, (the one taught in every US school) is absolutely beyond me!

KJV people will come up with all kinds of excuses to justify their preference (which is all that it really is), even claiming that there is a "modern Bible movement" that has distorted the "true" Word of God!

Somehow they think that God gave King James' hand-picked translators (ordered to justify his rule!) perfect understanding of the (conflicting) source documents, and then He rested and never gave that ability to anyone else!

I mean, REALLY!!!

Why are those people trapped into that mythology??? i FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEM!

 

[fredoheaven]

Maybe this might be helpful: Demonologie authored by King James

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/25929/pg25929-images.html

 

[fredoheaven]

Here is what King James' belief of the scripture


https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hoppe...9.03.0071:section=3&highlight=iuxta,contraria

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why does anyone in their right mind prefer a 400+ year old Bible, created as a political document by a tyrant king, in a language that is dead (not spoken/written anywhere on Earth) to a modern translation, translated from the best sources by the best scholars, written in the language that most of us have used all our lives, (the one taught in every US school) is absolutely beyond me!

Because you have simply ignored everything that has been said. Plus you are really ignorant about this subject. If you wish to make a fresh start, then set aside your inaccurate and irrational biases, and take a good, hard, honest, and objective look at the issue of the King James Bible vs all modern translations. And ignorance is no excuse.

 

[fredoheaven]

King James beliefs in Salvation and the practice of this profession.

https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hoppe...9.03.0071:section=3&highlight=iuxta,contraria

 

[fredoheaven]

The Argument of 'Dead language' is no leg at all! Why? Scholars often based their translation on the 'Dead language' of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek languages.

 

[jamessb]

Here is what King James' belief of the scripture

View attachment 261213
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.03.0071:section=3&highlight=iuxta,contraria

So? What does that prove? King James ordered a new translation for political reasons.