The deity of Jesus Christ

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selahsays

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The diety of Jesus?! C’mon
Man!

Can we go back any further to anything beyond basic understanding?

Okay look, why did Jesus stop at a certain well in Samaria to talk to the Samaritan woman? The well he sat upon was named El Elohe Israel (Gen 33:20) which means God, the God of Israel. So when the woman came out, there was God, the God of Israel sitting there ready to meet the woman (John 4:5-)

Jesus also called Himself I Am (John 48:58)

Are y’all satisfied? This is so pointless. Let’s get all worked up over basic basic Christianity 101 and not even be able to pray and get a real change in our or someone else’s life because we’re too fixated on trying to go back and debate basic stuff with stubborn people.
…but some may not know the basics yet because they’re just starting out on this wonderful journey. IMG_5764.gif
 

EternalFire

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Yes, there is sub-ordination in the Trinity. He would be lower in position again. That doesn't make Jesus no longer being fully God, though. The bible doesn't have Jesus ever being 'not God'
Thank you for sharing your understanding.
 

Nehemiah6

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In keeping with your king analogy, do you see Jesus as lowering his position again when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father?
Can you not see that since that verse says that "God is all and in all", and another verse says that God is "the Head" of Christ, that the question of "lowering His position" does not arise?

The way the triune Godhead is revealed is that even though all are equally God, the Son and the Holy Spirit have the Father as their "Head" (authority over them). So you could apply the term "subordinate" ( meaning lower in position).

Since it is the Father who handed the risen Christ all power and authority in Heaven and on earth until He establishes the real, visible, tangible, physical and spiritual Kingdom of God on earth, the Son RIGHTFULLY hands back everything to God the Father.

Let none of us mortals presume that we can "figure out" the Godhead. All that I have said above has been already revealed in Scripture. But I cannot go any further, as none of us can.
 

EternalFire

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Can you not see that since that verse says that "God is all and in all", and another verse says that God is "the Head" of Christ, that the question of "lowering His position" does not arise?

The way the triune Godhead is revealed is that even though all are equally God, the Son and the Holy Spirit have the Father as their "Head" (authority over them). So you could apply the term "subordinate" ( meaning lower in position).

Since it is the Father who handed the risen Christ all power and authority in Heaven and on earth until He establishes the real, visible, tangible, physical and spiritual Kingdom of God on earth, the Son RIGHTFULLY hands back everything to God the Father.

Let none of us mortals presume that we can "figure out" the Godhead. All that I have said above has been already revealed in Scripture. But I cannot go any further, as none of us can.
Does Jesus believe that his God alone is the only true God?
 

homwardbound

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Not long ago, there were a number of posters on here that were lowering Jesus' deity, below the Father.

I think some were Jewish who thought they had accepted Jesus as the Messiah, but actually made Him somehow a lesser God than the Father.

Anyway, I wanted to address when Jesus says the Father is 'greater than I'

After saying this, later on He ascends to be with the Father. Their position is now equal. And their power, and their omnipresence etc..

So.. what was happening when Jesus said the Father is greater?

He was talking about position, not a superior being.

If I say the King of England is greater than me, he isn't a superior being. We are both equally human. But he had a greater position as king.
Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God. was not under or over, equal with Father, for us top gather together and be made one with them as won for us
Thanks I like the post
 

homwardbound

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Not long ago, there were a number of posters on here that were lowering Jesus' deity, below the Father.

I think some were Jewish who thought they had accepted Jesus as the Messiah, but actually made Him somehow a lesser God than the Father.

Anyway, I wanted to address when Jesus says the Father is 'greater than I'

After saying this, later on He ascends to be with the Father. Their position is now equal. And their power, and their omnipresence etc..

So.. what was happening when Jesus said the Father is greater?

He was talking about position, not a superior being.

If I say the King of England is greater than me, he isn't a superior being. We are both equally human. But he had a greater position as king.
I will be elated to at least be a toilet bowl scrubber, whatever Father chooses.
 

homwardbound

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The diety of Jesus?! C’mon
Man!

Can we go back any further to anything beyond basic understanding?

Okay look, why did Jesus stop at a certain well in Samaria to talk to the Samaritan woman? The well he sat upon was named El Elohe Israel (Gen 33:20) which means God, the God of Israel. So when the woman came out, there was God, the God of Israel sitting there ready to meet the woman (John 4:5-)

Jesus also called Himself I Am (John 48:58)

Are y’all satisfied? This is so pointless. Let’s get all worked up over basic basic Christianity 101 and not even be able to pray and get a real change in our or someone else’s life because we’re too fixated on trying to go back and debate basic stuff with stubborn people.
Sorry, no offense meant, yet I am seeing you being stubborn, what is up With that?
 

homwardbound

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Does Jesus believe that his God alone is the only true God?
I would say yes, why
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
 

Magenta

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I wish forums would actually deny membership to posters who attack the deity of Christ, but this isn't the case.
Here on CC, denying the Deity of Christ is the number one theological heresy that is a bannable offense.
Numerous members have been ousted due to defending such a view, even knowing it is not tolerated.
 

Burn1986

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Sorry, no offense meant, yet I am seeing you being stubborn, what is up With that?
No offense taken, I wasn’t really referring to your posts. It’s just a basic topic that we all know and are confident in and don’t need to go into all the ins and outs of this topic. At some point it’s throwing your pearls before swine. Yes, we can go into a long drawn out perfectly constructed reply with loads of scripture, translations, manuscript history, use our thesaurus for better sounding words, try and hear God on just the right argument, blah blah, blah. But these posters questioning could care less, then it’s pointless.
 

wattie

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Here on CC, denying the Deity of Christ is the number one theological heresy that is a bannable offense.
Numerous members have been ousted due to defending such a view, even knowing it is not tolerated.
Okay.. well that is good to know. It must be people who come in who eventually get found out. I do see that those posters I thought were messianic jews denying His deity aren't posting much or anything anymore.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Who said it is about "debating"? The deity of Christ is a key doctrine of the Bible. So when the "antichrists" reject the deity of Christ on a public forum, it is up to Christians, to proclaim it from Scripture in response.

There have been many who came here to tell Christians that Jesus is less than God. It is even worse on some other Christian forums, where the liars are allowed to continue posting their lies, and are not shut down.

The "Terms of Service" of some Christian forums will not allow attacks on the deity of Christ since there may be "baby" Christians who could be shaken in their faith. Those who reject the deity of Christ can go and find their own forums, where people agree with their false doctrines.
“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“….until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of Lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

EternalFire

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I would say yes, why
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Your answer is correct.

Perhaps @Nehemiah6 could explain why answering “yes” to my question is “problematic.”
 

homwardbound

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Your answer is correct.

Perhaps @Nehemiah6 could explain why answering “yes” to my question is “problematic.”
flesh is problematic. No flesh to this day ever since the first Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, death came to all flesh ever since. Unless one repents to God between God and themselves personally, even if do it publicly, if it is not true between God and you, then it is of no use, but to get praise from others here on earth. That being the only reward ever
Romans 8:1-3
 

Nehemiah6

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Your answer is correct. Perhaps @Nehemiah6 could explain why answering “yes” to my question is “problematic.”
The Bible clearly presents the one true God -- the Lord God Almighty. And the triune Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

While on earth, Jesus referred to God the Father as "my God" a few times, which is true. And He is the one who sent the Son to earth. The Father is "the Head" or authority over the Son. But that does not make the Son less than God. Indeed, the Father declares the Son to be God (see Hebrews 1).

So the issue of whether Christ deemed His God to be the one true God does not even arise.
 

Nehemiah6

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For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, NIV Colossians 2:9
The NIV should have kept "Godhead" in that verse. The lexicons also show "deity" for theotes, but then also revert to "Godhead". The real issue is to leave Bible words alone when they are already in common use.

That's like using "Messiah" for "Christ" (in some modern versions) when the whole world knows of Christ. And in the Greek text it is not even "Messiah". It is "Christos" or "Christ" in English.
 

Omegatime

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The NIV should have kept "Godhead" in that verse. The lexicons also show "deity" for theotes, but then also revert to "Godhead". The real issue is to leave Bible words alone when they are already in common use.

That's like using "Messiah" for "Christ" (in some modern versions) when the whole world knows of Christ. And in the Greek text it is not even "Messiah". It is "Christos" or "Christ" in English.
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Maybe you should have clarified the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit dwelt in Jesus