The Bottomless Pit is neither Hades, nor Hell, nor Tartarus
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There was absolutely no mischaracterization. Did you read this?
"It is not a literal pit and neither is it a literal chain in that parable.. The keys in that parable represent the gospel..."
Garee is misrepresenting God and God's Word with this cavalier painting of everything as non-literal and a parable. He might as well call everything in the Bible a fable.
"It is not a literal pit and neither is it a literal chain in that parable.. The keys in that parable represent the gospel..."
Garee is misrepresenting God and God's Word with this cavalier painting of everything as non-literal and a parable. He might as well call everything in the Bible a fable.
Lots of characters
The dragon - satan
The star, opens the abyss
Apollyon - the angel of the abyss
Angel who throws the dragon into the abyss
The beast comes from the abyss
The scarlet beast on which the woman rides is the beast of the abyss
The false prophet
A second beast out of the earth.
The second beast could also be the false prophet, as he gives witness to the first beast
and does signs and wonders on his behalf.
3 core characters, the dragon, the beast and the second beast or false prophet.
All three are thrown into the lake of fire to be tormented eternally.
This is a pictoral vision using symbolic representation to cities, kings, evil, battles, victory,
judgement and defeats. Some is very real, curses and torment while other is symbolic, the
enemy being pictured as a dragon.
The abyss is obviously a prison, with a door and keys, restricting those in it.
Jesus could command demons to go there, and they obviously hated the idea.
Is there more we can learn from this?
Gods authority is not limited, satan does not have free reign, but God will use him to separate
the world from His people. We have a loyalty question to answer, which side will we go on?
The dragon - satan
The star, opens the abyss
Apollyon - the angel of the abyss
Angel who throws the dragon into the abyss
The beast comes from the abyss
The scarlet beast on which the woman rides is the beast of the abyss
The false prophet
A second beast out of the earth.
The second beast could also be the false prophet, as he gives witness to the first beast
and does signs and wonders on his behalf.
3 core characters, the dragon, the beast and the second beast or false prophet.
All three are thrown into the lake of fire to be tormented eternally.
This is a pictoral vision using symbolic representation to cities, kings, evil, battles, victory,
judgement and defeats. Some is very real, curses and torment while other is symbolic, the
enemy being pictured as a dragon.
The abyss is obviously a prison, with a door and keys, restricting those in it.
Jesus could command demons to go there, and they obviously hated the idea.
Is there more we can learn from this?
Gods authority is not limited, satan does not have free reign, but God will use him to separate
the world from His people. We have a loyalty question to answer, which side will we go on?
LOl What flippant remark?
Slow down Tiger .Man's anger does not bring about the righteousness life God in us desires. Are you angry at God and that's why you look for fault in others?
Using the word fool it could mean danger. . . (pretending you could see into the heart of another) . ...The fool says there is no God in his heart .Not the fool does understand some flippant word .
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Slow down Tiger .Man's anger does not bring about the righteousness life God in us desires. Are you angry at God and that's why you look for fault in others?
Using the word fool it could mean danger. . . (pretending you could see into the heart of another) . ...The fool says there is no God in his heart .Not the fool does understand some flippant word .
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Dear brother,
This particular individual does not know the meaning of the words take it easy.
Often some get so angry they want to throw the computer out of the window and do something physical
if they could. Thankfully the only connection is the internet. The fact they have this emotional reaction
does not even ring a few warning bells. I have seen some claim we are the worst evil on the planet, worst
than murderers or the most evil individuals on the planet.
I love them, because in their minds it all makes sense, while they scream and holler, but it is the memory
of past experiences with believers who they now hate and consider their mortal enemies. So much hurt
and pain, which rises to such anger is truly unusual. Thankfully few are this extreme, most just avoid
contact. God bless you.
This particular individual does not know the meaning of the words take it easy.
Often some get so angry they want to throw the computer out of the window and do something physical
if they could. Thankfully the only connection is the internet. The fact they have this emotional reaction
does not even ring a few warning bells. I have seen some claim we are the worst evil on the planet, worst
than murderers or the most evil individuals on the planet.
I love them, because in their minds it all makes sense, while they scream and holler, but it is the memory
of past experiences with believers who they now hate and consider their mortal enemies. So much hurt
and pain, which rises to such anger is truly unusual. Thankfully few are this extreme, most just avoid
contact. God bless you.
Yes the ones that are sealed in their minds are the ones that bought the truth of the gospel and did not sell it. Like Esau another first born like Cain seeing no value in spiritual things sold the birth rite for a bowl of soup
Those with the mark of Cain (the mark of God's word ; (I said it that puts and to it") They have no desire for the unseen things of God .Mankind must be born again....
The ones that do not have the seal (no faith) are only hurting their own self by not believing the gospel. The Holy Spirit knows what there end will be.
Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Those with the mark of Cain (the mark of God's word ; (I said it that puts and to it") They have no desire for the unseen things of God .Mankind must be born again....
The ones that do not have the seal (no faith) are only hurting their own self by not believing the gospel. The Holy Spirit knows what there end will be.
Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
First of all, if by saying "Jesus bound Satan" as referring to Him being bound in the Abyss, that is false. Though Jesus overcame Satan and the powers of darkness at the cross, his binding in the Abyss is a future event which will take place when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. To be clear, Satan's binding in the Abyss is not to be spiritualized as taking place at the Cross.
Agreed
"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."
So we are told to be on our guard by taking up the shield of faith in order to extinguish the flaming arrows of the evil one.
The Abyss is a literal place. And I never said anything regarding satisfaction. The Abyss is a place where certain demons are imprisoned.
The Abyss is the current place of Apollyon and his army of demons resembling locusts (Rev.9:1-11)
The Abyss is the place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to order them into (Luke 8:30)
The Abyss is the place that Satan is going to be thrown into when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Rev.20:1-3)
Agreed
"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."
So we are told to be on our guard by taking up the shield of faith in order to extinguish the flaming arrows of the evil one.
The Abyss is a literal place. And I never said anything regarding satisfaction. The Abyss is a place where certain demons are imprisoned.
The Abyss is the current place of Apollyon and his army of demons resembling locusts (Rev.9:1-11)
The Abyss is the place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to order them into (Luke 8:30)
The Abyss is the place that Satan is going to be thrown into when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Rev.20:1-3)
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It is the word applied unto Satan....the world ruler....similar to him being called the god of this world.....In Ephesians 6 we find the hierarchy of evil with the KosmoKrator (Satan) as the world ruler followed by a command structure.....with delegated authority down the ranks........most miss it or are oblivious to it.....or just flat deny it.....it contains those chief in rank, delegated authority, and foot soldiers all found encapsulated in the 4 identifying words or phrases used in Ephesians 6.....
Is the bottomless pit a real place, or is it a reference to Satan on a leash.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
The antichrist, man of sin, is controlled by Satan to deceive all people who do not love God.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion(a delusion that cannot snap out of, deceived by a devil), that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
All people who do not love God, and do not keep the testimony of Jesus, shall worship the dragon who is Satan, and worship the beast, which Satan possessed the beast to deceive the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
But Satan is the prince of the power of the air, so how does he ascend out of the bottomless pit, for he is not in a bottomless pit, but he deceives people on this earth, and is the god of this world among the heathen.
How does the beast ascend out of the bottomless pit, when Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about, seeking whom he may devour.
So is the bottomless pit a real place, or is it a reference to Satan being on a leash.
Satan is on a leash right now, and can only influence so much in the world, and cannot influence with all his deception.
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.
God is holding Satan back from influencing the world with all of his power, and deception, but God will one day allow the world a certain amount of time to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast, which the world will rebel against God like the angels that followed Lucifer rebelled against God, and then He will end this sin business on earth.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Satan is on a leash right now and can only influence so much, which is referred to him being in the bottomless pit.
When the falling away first happens, which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they hindered the saints from preaching it, saying it is not the truth, then the transgressors are come to the full, then the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, which he is off his leash, and can influence with all his power, and deception towards the wicked, and will deceive all people who do not love God.
When God puts the man of sin and the world down, then Satan is put back in the bottomless pit, back on his leash, but this time he cannot influence the world at all during the millennial reign of Christ.
I do not believe the bottomless pit is a real place, but a reference to Satan being on a leash, for Satan is on a leash right now, and can only influence the world so much, so it is referred to him being in the bottomless pit, and then God allows him to deceive all people who do not love Him being able to use all his power, and deception to do it, which is referred to as the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit, and then after God puts down the world Satan is back on a leash, and cannot influence the world at all, which is referred to as being in the bottomless pit.
I do not believe that the bottomless pit is a real place, but a reference to Satan being on a leash, for if Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about on earth seeking whom he may devour, then how can he be in a bottomless pit, and how does he ascend from the bottomless pit if he is deceiving the world, and the god of this world.
Satan is not in a bottomless pit, but is roaming free, but he ascends from the bottomless pit, but how can that be.
It the bottomless pit a real place, or a reference.
And as long as mankind is engaging in sins then Satan is deceiving them to do wrong, so how can he be in a bottomless pit.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
If Satan is in a bottomless pit to have to ascend out of it, then we are in the bottomless pit, for Satan is the prince of the power of the air, which is above us, but we are not in a bottomless pit, so the bottomless pit is a reference of Satan on a leash, which he is on a leash right now, and can only influence so much, and then he will be off his leash concerning the wicked, and will deceive them, ascending out of the bottomless pit, and then during the millennial reign he will be back on a leash, back in the bottomless pit, and cannot influence the world at all during that time.
And then he shall be let loosed from the bottomless pit, be off his leash, and will deceive the people that Jesus and the saints rule over, and they go against the saints, and God rains fire down on them, and devours them.
If Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about seeking whom he may devour, and the god of this world, then how does he ascend from a bottomless pit.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
The antichrist, man of sin, is controlled by Satan to deceive all people who do not love God.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion(a delusion that cannot snap out of, deceived by a devil), that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
All people who do not love God, and do not keep the testimony of Jesus, shall worship the dragon who is Satan, and worship the beast, which Satan possessed the beast to deceive the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
But Satan is the prince of the power of the air, so how does he ascend out of the bottomless pit, for he is not in a bottomless pit, but he deceives people on this earth, and is the god of this world among the heathen.
How does the beast ascend out of the bottomless pit, when Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about, seeking whom he may devour.
So is the bottomless pit a real place, or is it a reference to Satan being on a leash.
Satan is on a leash right now, and can only influence so much in the world, and cannot influence with all his deception.
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.
God is holding Satan back from influencing the world with all of his power, and deception, but God will one day allow the world a certain amount of time to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast, which the world will rebel against God like the angels that followed Lucifer rebelled against God, and then He will end this sin business on earth.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Satan is on a leash right now and can only influence so much, which is referred to him being in the bottomless pit.
When the falling away first happens, which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they hindered the saints from preaching it, saying it is not the truth, then the transgressors are come to the full, then the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, which he is off his leash, and can influence with all his power, and deception towards the wicked, and will deceive all people who do not love God.
When God puts the man of sin and the world down, then Satan is put back in the bottomless pit, back on his leash, but this time he cannot influence the world at all during the millennial reign of Christ.
I do not believe the bottomless pit is a real place, but a reference to Satan being on a leash, for Satan is on a leash right now, and can only influence the world so much, so it is referred to him being in the bottomless pit, and then God allows him to deceive all people who do not love Him being able to use all his power, and deception to do it, which is referred to as the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit, and then after God puts down the world Satan is back on a leash, and cannot influence the world at all, which is referred to as being in the bottomless pit.
I do not believe that the bottomless pit is a real place, but a reference to Satan being on a leash, for if Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about on earth seeking whom he may devour, then how can he be in a bottomless pit, and how does he ascend from the bottomless pit if he is deceiving the world, and the god of this world.
Satan is not in a bottomless pit, but is roaming free, but he ascends from the bottomless pit, but how can that be.
It the bottomless pit a real place, or a reference.
And as long as mankind is engaging in sins then Satan is deceiving them to do wrong, so how can he be in a bottomless pit.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
If Satan is in a bottomless pit to have to ascend out of it, then we are in the bottomless pit, for Satan is the prince of the power of the air, which is above us, but we are not in a bottomless pit, so the bottomless pit is a reference of Satan on a leash, which he is on a leash right now, and can only influence so much, and then he will be off his leash concerning the wicked, and will deceive them, ascending out of the bottomless pit, and then during the millennial reign he will be back on a leash, back in the bottomless pit, and cannot influence the world at all during that time.
And then he shall be let loosed from the bottomless pit, be off his leash, and will deceive the people that Jesus and the saints rule over, and they go against the saints, and God rains fire down on them, and devours them.
If Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about seeking whom he may devour, and the god of this world, then how does he ascend from a bottomless pit.