The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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It makes us Kings and Priests !

Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

According to this passage, whatv made these Kings and Priests unto God ? Was it their faith ? How about their repentance ? Was it their obedience ?

No sir, it was the sole fact that for them He was slain and that redeemed them unto God !

Peter says the same thing 1 Pet 1:18-19;2:5,9

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Being made unto an Holy Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ is an effect and accomplishment of Christ being slain for those He died for !23

 

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He makes them Believers !

Everyone Christ died for, all His Sheep, as a result, He also did purchase and acquire for them Faith and Repentance, which is given to them along with Himself Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

That word give is the greek word charizomai :

C.to give graciously, give freely, bestow

And its the same word used by Paul to give us to understand that to some it has been on behalf of Christ , given to believe on Him Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Thats Just one of the many things freely given along with Christ, to them He was delivered up for Per Rom 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Now Christ died for all of His Sheep, or was delivered up for all His Sheep Jn 10:11,15

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life [or was delivered up] for the sheep.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Now if He was delivered up for all of the Sheep, and along with that all things are freely given them, which one of those things is to believe on His Name Per Phil 1:29, then if one never does believe on His Name for Salvation, the obvious conclusion is only viable, which Jesus states here as to why some jews failed to believe on Him Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Because, if they were of His Sheep, then He layed down His Life for them[or was delivered up for them Rom 8:32] Vs 11,15 and as a consequent, They would have , on His behalf, given to believe on Him Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

So His death makes His Sheep Believers !

 

[FreeGrace2]

He makes them Believers !

This is a false doctrine, which comes from the false doctrine of election pushed by Calvinists.

First, the biblical doctrine of election is about being chosen for service. In EVERY verse that mentions the purpose of election, it is always about service.

1 Cor 1-
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

Acts 9:15 - But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Everyone Christ died for, all His Sheep

This is another false doctrine. Jesus Christ died for everyone. The Bible says so plainly.

John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
John 4:42 - They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
2 Cor 5-
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
1 Tim 2-
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
1 Tim 4:10 - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 2:2 - He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 - And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

So, there's that.

Now if He was delivered up for all of the Sheep, and along with that all things are freely given them, which one of those things is to believe on His Name Per Phil 1:29, then if one never does believe on His Name for Salvation, the obvious conclusion is only viable, which Jesus states here as to why some jews failed to believe on Him Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Now, here, this Calvinist poster has just stepped on his own toes again.

He begins with "If He was delievered up for ALL of THE sheep...", as if He wasn't.

Well, let's examine the chapter where v.26 is found.

John 10-
2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. This establishes that Jesus is the shepherd of THE sheep.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for THE sheep.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for THE sheep.
12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own THE sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons THE sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for THE sheep.
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for THE sheep.

Yet, in the SAME context, Jesus also speaks of His own sheep:
14 “I am the good shepherd; I know MY sheep and MY sheep know me—
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus spoke of HIS own sheep but He also noted that He would die for THE sheep. If His death was on behalf of ONLY HIS own sheep, He would have said that, but He didn't. He said He would die for THE sheep.

Because, if they were of His Sheep, then He layed down His Life for them

The text is clear: Jesus would lay down His life for THE sheep. Not "His" sheep.

So His death makes His Sheep Believers !

His fuzzy logic is twisted. Jesus' death reconciles the human race to God per 2 Cor 5:19. So that "whosoever believes will be saved".

His death does not make anyone believe.

 

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Its the efficasious reason why we serve God !

One of the accomplishments of the death/blood of Christ unto all for whom He died, is that it makes us to serve the Living God; Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

This purge of conscience from dead religious works [false religion] compatible with what Peter wrote 1 Pet 1:18 unto serving the True and Living God, is an efficacious effect of the Blood of Christ !

That word serve is the greek word latreuō and means:

I.
to serve for hire

II.
to serve, minister to, either to the gods or men and used alike of slaves and freemen
A.
in the NT, to render religious service or homage, to worship

B.
to perform sacred services, to offer gifts, to worship God in the observance of the rites instituted for his worship
i.
of priests, to officiate, to discharge the sacred office


Its the same word used here Rev 7:15

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Rev 22:3

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Its the word worship here Acts 24:14

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And note that this worship consisted in believing all things which are written in the law and prophets, which of course revealed Christ Lk 24:44

OT equivalent Deut 6:13

13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

Deut 10:12

And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Josh 24:15

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Phil 3:3

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship /serve God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

This what Paul refers to now, of worship/serve God in the Spirit, it is this which results solely from the Blood of Christ in Heb 9:14 !

And since we know that in order to serve God in such a way here, it takes a believing Faith Acts 24:14

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

The word for believing is the greek word pisteuó:

I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

pisteúō (from 4102 /pístis, "faith," derived from 3982 /peíthō, "persuade, be persuaded") – believe (affirm, have confidence); used of persuading oneself (= human believing) and with the sacred significance of being persuaded by the Lord (= faith-believing). Only the context indicates whether 4100 /pisteúō ("believe") is self-serving (without sacred meaning), or the believing that leads to/proceeds from God's inbirthing of faith.

This type of believing in serving and worshiping of the True God is a blessing that is efficaciously wrought into all for whom Christ shed His Blood, this cannot be refuted without serious blasphemy !


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By His stripes we are healed or saved !

Many in false religion have denied that Christ's death alone saved those He died for, one of the most damaging scriptures against that damnable heresy is this one 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now the healing comes by , His stripes which is equated with His bearing our sins in His body on the Tree !

By that Peter preaches that ye were healed, which word iaomai: to heal,

to make whole i. e. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation:

What can be a more plainer and concise testimony that the death of Christ alone effected and brought about our Salvation !

 

[FreeGrace2]

By His stripes we are healed or saved !

Many in false religion have denied that Christ's death alone saved those He died for

It is a false religion that claims that Christ's death saves and that Christ only died for some. THe Bible is clear; He died for everyone, and saves those who believe in Him.

 

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By His stripes we are healed or saved ! 2

The Testimony of the Apostle Peter was that it was by Christ's death alone, here called stripes 1 Pet 2:24, in that He bare our sins in His Body on the Tree, and by that healing was effected, it effectually brought about our Salvation,in its totality, conversion included. That word healed is used here Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

So the healing from the Cross does exactly what is denied people here, It opens their eyes, gives them a heart that understands [Matt 13:23] and converts them, or heals them ! We are healed when we are converted

That word converted, the greek word epistrephō is the same word returned here in 1 Peter 2:25

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Here its in the passive voice meaning that they have been returned, they are turned by the effects of Christ's stripes !

This is undeniably True, that Christ's death alone effects the spiritual conversion of all for whom He died, those who deny it, are attempting to strip the Death of Christ alone of its Saving merit, which none but antichrist would do, so that he can cause men to worship him through their so called freewill ! 24

 

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By His stripes we are healed or saved ! 3

That Christ's death alone saved, healed, converted all for whom He died, is taught beyond all doubt here Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Also See 1 Pet 2:24 !

Now the word healed in the hebrew is rapha and means :

I.to heal, make healthful ,

of national hurts, subject city Jeremiah 51:8,9; involving forgiveness and ׳יs blessing, impersonal with ל of people, נִרְמָּאלָֿנוּ Isaiah 53:5 i.e. healing has come to us.

The main of which is the forgiveness of our sins, which constitutes our peace with God, the removal of our guilt, and being freed from the punishment due unto it.

The same Idea is here where the same word is used Ps 103:3

Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Of which brings spiritual healing to our souls Ps 41:4

I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.

Jer 17:14

Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

Sin is the sickness of the soul and the soul is healed when, being pardoned by mercy !​

it is also renewed by grace​

The prominent Idea in healing is acquittal from sin, a discharge, a Justification from, all of which the death of Christ alone provides for !

This healing comes to all for whom's iniquties he was brusied for, and transgressions He was wounded for.

But this healing does not stop at mere acquittal / Justification, but has as a accompanying outgrowth effects healing of the soul.

Now understand , that His death/ stripes ensures, guarantees that all for whom He died receives as a Gift of from healing, a New Spirit Ezk 36:26

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

In other words, His stripes ensures that they experience this Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Thats the New Spirit God promises to put within them in Ezk 36:26, its New Birth or some call it Regeneration.

Now recognize, If each person that Christ died for is not regenerated, as an evidence of the healing of the striopes of Him as per Isa 53:5; 1 Pet 2:24, then these scriptures do bare false witness and are misleading to say the least.

Notice the prophet uses the pronoun we are healed Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

He is speaking of a whole nation of people See 1 Pet 2:9; Matt 21:43, a whole Body of People which is also described in Vs 10 as Christ's Seed Isa 53:10, now if this was the Lords seed that is healed in Isa 53:5,10, then thats who it is in 1 Pet 2:24.

In fact, those in 1 Pet 2:24 are also called earlier a Generation here 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

Which word means offspring, its the greek word genos:

I.kindred
A.
offspring

B.
family

C.
stock, tribe, nation
i.
i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people

Which is the same word seed here Isa 53:10, the word zera` :

I.seed, sowing, offspring

Those being born of that incorruptible seed Christ 1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

That refers back to Isa 53:10, Christ's Seed, Christ is the Word of God ! 24

 

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Brings all to Faith !

Jn 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

If Christ by His death/being lifted up, draws all men unto Him, this word draw speaks to have been given life, or communicated life. The word draw is the greek word helkō means:

I.
to draw, drag off

II.
metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

It also means to persuade

I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all,

Yes the inward impelling and power to be come to Christ is nothing short of that quickening Life from out of the Last Adam 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Quickening means to make alive, makes movement / operation and it impels, so this drawing is by an impartation of quickening Life from the risen Christ, which is none other than His Spirit or the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit is Life Rom 8:10

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

All for whom He died, doeth have imputed to them Righteousness, and That Righteousness demands Life Prov 11:19

As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.

Because of what Christ has done for sinners that He died for, they are first made alive legally to the Law, then secondarily they are made alive out of Spiritual death, because of Righteousness, not their own, but that of their Surety, the Last Adam.

Now back to the word draw, it also connotes being persuaded I persuade, Now what is Faith but a spiritual persuading; Now the greek word for Faith pistis:

pístis (from 3982/peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith.

So the word draw in Jn 12:32 does also denote the impartation of persuading Faith, by the Life of the Spirit, so in other words, when Jesus says that as a result of His death or being lifted up, that all men shall be drawn to Him, He means they will come to Him in Faith, which agrees the Truth, the Just shall live by Faith !

 

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Grace reigns through Him !

Rom 5:21

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death [through adam], even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

How does Grace reign through Righteousness. The word reign is the greek word basileuō and means:

I.
to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign
A.
of the governor of a province

B.
of the rule of the Messiah

C.
of the reign of Christians in the millennium


II.
metaph. to exercise the highest influence, to control

Now we all know how effectual death has reigned through the lesser adam, but what man is so ignorant to is how Grace reigns effectual through Christ, how that it opposes successfully that death which reigned through adam !


Now Grace reigns successfully by the Saving and Converting Effects in those Christ died for and redeemed Titus 2:11-14

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Grace here in Titus 2:11 is describing what it means for Grace to reign through the Righteousness of Christ of Rom 5:21 !

When it[Grace] reigns through Christ, it brings Salvation, it actually converts the one for whom Christ died.

Now I know that this passage has been sorely perverted by antichrist as to mean that all men without exception have been offered Grace or that it has been made available, but now it must be accepted by the freewill of sinful man for it to produce any effects ! Thats a Lie however !

This most blessed passage of scripture actually informs us just how effectual the Grace of God through Christ abounds toward sinners Christ died, it Illustrates the blessed Truth of how the Grace of God through the redemptive work of Christ, and His Righteousness, does reign through Righteousness in the Honor of His Righteousness on their behalf Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 24

 

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Was made a Life giving Spirit !

1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The Last Adam was made a Life Giving Spirit, thats what the word quickening means, Life giving, for if we recall, Jesus said on occasions, that His Purpose was to give Life Jn 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Jn 10:10,28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

This Life Giving was premised, based on Him putting away their sin debt, by dying the death they deserved for the wages of their sins Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now understand, their being by nature dead in trespasses and sins, spiritually dead and alienated from the Life of God, is the wages of sin, Death !

Now , its by this paying of their sin debt by His death for them, and He being quickened from the dead after paying their debt 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh[for their sins], but quickened by the Spirit: Because their sin debt was paid in full, See Rom 4:25 also !

Now the word quickened here in 1 Pet 3:18 is the greek word zōopoieō:

I.
to produce alive, begat or bear living young

II.
to cause to live, make alive, give life

And its the same word quickening in 1 Cor 15:45, again meaning to give life, or to cause to live,B.to restore to life

D.of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

So as being quickened from the dead as their Head and Shepherd, after having put away all causes for them being in death, even Spiritual death of which they were born naturally, having paid their sin penalty, death no more owed by them to God's Law and Justice, they are given Life, Spiritual Life from the dead, which is evidence that their sin debt has been paid, so Justice demands it !

 

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Was made a Life giving Spirit ! 2

Christ as the quickened Head, having paid the sin death for His dead body, He must give Life to His Own Body, the Church, as the quickened Head, He himself gives Life to every member of His Body, Paul wrote earlier to the Corinthian Believers 1 Cor 12:27

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

So each particular member of His Body will receive quickening from Him 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Their being quickened from the Spiritually dead is legally due unto them because their sin debt has been paid in full, and death of any kind, is due because of the sin debt Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So the quickening they receive in this life from Spiritual death is the Gift of God through Jesus Christ, the Last Adam their Lord !

Now understand something, If only the Head be quickened, and not each member in particular of His Body, then the quickening is incomplete and so is Justice !

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If, as you claim, "the elect" were reconciled to God before they are born, they have no need of reconciliation.

You continue to peddle a false dogma which does not bring the sinner to the Lord Jesus Christ in Whom the sinner is reconciled to God.

Romans 5:10-11 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Prior to being born again, all descendants of Adam were "enemies" in need of the redemption which is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

All descendants of Adam have sinned and come short of the glory of God (vs 23).

However, in vs 22 we read that the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe. Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ...

And in vs 25 we read that it is the Lord Jesus Christ Who God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood. Again, descendants of Adam who believe ...

Under your scenario, "the elect" do not have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ because "[e]ven before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already ... been reconciled to God" . Quit peddling your false dogma. Read your Bible.

All of your rederick is based a person to believe in the things of the Spirit to get eternal life.

First of all, a person does not "GET" eternal life. It is a free gift of God's sovereign grace, without the assistance of mankind (Eph 2:1-5).(John 6:39).

The unregenerate person, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, can not know spiritual things and thinks them to be foolishness. Only God's sheep, who already have the promise of an eternal inheritance, can believe in the things of the Spirit (John 10:26-29).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

Eternal salvation for all those who believe, receive, and abide in the vine.

Your statement is true, but only for those that God gave to Jesus to die for (John 6:39) (Eph 1:4-5)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

ok.

yup! agree completely!

This answer depicts an unwillingness to discuss.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes, it was the price God Himself required of His Son for us to be joined to His Son spiritually. God had to become a Man, suffer here on earth as a man, enduring human sin, and then die, forgiving that sin. But it was contingent upon our willingness to live by him. In making that choice we also qualify to be raised up with him at the proper time.

A free gift has no contingents attached.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This is a false doctrine, which comes from the false doctrine of election pushed by Calvinists.

First, the biblical doctrine of election is about being chosen for service. In EVERY verse that mentions the purpose of election, it is always about service.

1 Cor 1-
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

Acts 9:15 - But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.


This is another false doctrine. Jesus Christ died for everyone. The Bible says so plainly.

John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
John 4:42 - They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
2 Cor 5-
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
1 Tim 2-
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
1 Tim 4:10 - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 2:2 - He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 - And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

So, there's that.


Now, here, this Calvinist poster has just stepped on his own toes again.

He begins with "If He was delievered up for ALL of THE sheep...", as if He wasn't.

Well, let's examine the chapter where v.26 is found.

John 10-
2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. This establishes that Jesus is the shepherd of THE sheep.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for THE sheep.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for THE sheep.
12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own THE sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons THE sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for THE sheep.
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for THE sheep.

Yet, in the SAME context, Jesus also speaks of His own sheep:
14 “I am the good shepherd; I know MY sheep and MY sheep know me—
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus spoke of HIS own sheep but He also noted that He would die for THE sheep. If His death was on behalf of ONLY HIS own sheep, He would have said that, but He didn't. He said He would die for THE sheep.


The text is clear: Jesus would lay down His life for THE sheep. Not "His" sheep.


His fuzzy logic is twisted. Jesus' death reconciles the human race to God per 2 Cor 5:19. So that "whosoever believes will be saved".

His death does not make anyone believe.

If they are sheep, they are God's, whether they be "the" sheep, or "his' sheep. all of the rest of mankind are goats (Matt 25:32). God also has other sheep that are not of this fold, that being the Gentiles, in which he brings together to make one fold.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

First, the biblical doctrine of election is about being chosen for service. In EVERY verse that mentions the purpose of election, it is always about service.

God's elect are the only ones that give service to God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This is a false doctrine, which comes from the false doctrine of election pushed by Calvinists.

First, the biblical doctrine of election is about being chosen for service. In EVERY verse that mentions the purpose of election, it is always about service.

1 Cor 1-
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

Acts 9:15 - But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.


This is another false doctrine. Jesus Christ died for everyone. The Bible says so plainly.

John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
John 4:42 - They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
2 Cor 5-
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
1 Tim 2-
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
1 Tim 4:10 - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 2:2 - He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 - And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

So, there's that.


Now, here, this Calvinist poster has just stepped on his own toes again.

He begins with "If He was delievered up for ALL of THE sheep...", as if He wasn't.

Well, let's examine the chapter where v.26 is found.

John 10-
2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. This establishes that Jesus is the shepherd of THE sheep.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for THE sheep.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for THE sheep.
12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own THE sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons THE sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for THE sheep.
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for THE sheep.

Yet, in the SAME context, Jesus also speaks of His own sheep:
14 “I am the good shepherd; I know MY sheep and MY sheep know me—
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus spoke of HIS own sheep but He also noted that He would die for THE sheep. If His death was on behalf of ONLY HIS own sheep, He would have said that, but He didn't. He said He would die for THE sheep.


The text is clear: Jesus would lay down His life for THE sheep. Not "His" sheep.


His fuzzy logic is twisted. Jesus' death reconciles the human race to God per 2 Cor 5:19. So that "whosoever believes will be saved".

His death does not make anyone believe.

All of the inspired scriptures have been written for instructions to God's elect on how he wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth. They are not written to the unregenerate telling them how to "GET" deliverance.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It is a false religion that claims that Christ's death saves

It is a false doctrine that claims that Christ's death does not deliver(save).