Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[Truth7t7]

once again.

Gods promises and gifts are irrevocable. gods covenants with national ethnic Israel have been valid since they were given, eternal means forever,

Gods covenant made to Israel was FOREVER (gen 12, 15 and 17)

Genesis 12:1–2 (NKJV): Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;

Genesis 15:18–21 (NKJV): To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Genesis 17:8 (NKJV): Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

FOREVER (everlasting) has not ended last I looked. And the land is still there last I looked.,

It is this fact you refuse to acknowledge

You can ignore this all you want. I will keep posting it

You Can Deny That The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

You Can Deny The Fact That (National Ethnic Israel) Of The "Flesh", These Are Not The Children Of God

I'll Keep Posting This Biblical Truth, Read It Again

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[OldSage]

once again.

Gods promises and gifts are irrevocable. gods covenants with national ethnic Israel have been valid since they were given, eternal means forever,

Gods covenant made to Israel was FOREVER (gen 12, 15 and 17)

Genesis 12:1–2 (NKJV): Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;

Genesis 15:18–21 (NKJV): To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Genesis 17:8 (NKJV): Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

FOREVER (everlasting) has not ended last I looked. And the land is still there last I looked.,

It is this fact you refuse to acknowledge

You can ignore this all you want. I will keep posting it

It cannot be an everlasting possession though under Mosaic Law.
Under Mosaic Law Israel has been ejected twice from the land.

In the Moab Covenant God explicitly warns Israel.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

So really I cannot see Israel lasting there unless they embrace the Abrahamic covenant (Christ) under whom the
promise was made.

Furthermore - what is an idol?
Could a belief in land ownership be an idol? I would have thought so.
If it comes without a proper attitude to God.

 

[CS1]

It cannot be an everlasting possession though under Mosaic Law.
Under Mosaic Law Israel has been ejected twice from the land.

In the Moab Covenant God explicitly warns Israel.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

So really I cannot see Israel lasting there unless they embrace the Abrahamic covenant (Christ) under whom the
promise was made.

Furthermore - what is an idol?
Could a belief in land ownership be an idol? I would have thought so.
If it comes without a proper attitude to God.

more than twice
in the book of Judges, they lost the land besieged 20 times, the Philistines, the Assyrians, Babylonians,
Persian, Greeks, Romans

and each time they came back how many times Roman came back after it fell?

the list of nations overtaken and returned back to the original people of the founding nation 20 times is one. Israel

 

[OldSage]

more than twice
in the book of Judges, they lost the land besieged 20 times, the Philistines, the Assyrians, Babylonians,
Persian, Greeks, Romans

and each time they came back how many times Roman came back after it fell?

the list of nations overtaken and returned back to the original people of the founding nation 20 times is one. Israel

Lol. I am not sure how this is a positive.
i was only aware of three expulsions - Israel by the Assyrians,
the Babylonian Captivity, and the Roman expulsion.

Some of israel came back the first time, but I think most stayed scattered abroad.
A lot of Judeans were simply wiped out during the babylonian invasions.
The Roman expulsion obviously signaled 1976 years of torment.

But yes God is in control. I assume that this time will be different.
I mean obviously God will do what he is going to do,
which the prophetic experts will know all about.

 

[Truth7t7]

more than twice
in the book of Judges, they lost the land besieged 20 times, the Philistines, the Assyrians, Babylonians,
Persian, Greeks, Romans

and each time they came back how many times Roman came back after it fell?

the list of nations overtaken and returned back to the original people of the founding nation 20 times is one. Israel

Unfortunately the Jews have been brought back to Israel/Jerusalem for the fulfilling of the Gentiles Rev 11:2 and the future slaughter as 2/3 will be cut off and die Zechariah 13:8, Luke 21:21-22

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 13:8KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Luke 21:21-22KJV
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

 

[OldSage]

To clarify my previous remark - which is inaccurate:

God clearly states he will circumcise the hearts and that this time Israel will be rooted in the land

Deuteronomy 30:6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. 7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will again obey the Lord and follow all his commands I am giving you today. 9 Then the Lord your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The Lord will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors, 10 if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

 

[CS1]

Lol. I am not sure how this is a positive.
I was only aware of three expulsions - Israel by the Assyrians,
the Babylonian Captivity, and the Roman expulsion.

Some of Israel came back the first time, but I think most stayed scattered abroad.
A lot of Judeans were simply wiped out during the Babylonian invasions.
The Roman expulsion obviously signaled 1976 years of torment.

But yes, God is in control. I assume that this time will be different.

Yes you can laugh, yet if you read the book of Judges, you will see Israel was overtaken one time the Bible records 18 years. You may think that is nothing but let the USA be overtaken for 18 years. Let the people be taken captive and sent to every part of the globe for almost 1000 years, then be brought back to the original land in 1948 and become a super power today.

Totally unheard of. That is the Power of God and HIS word to do what HE said. It was not spiritual Israel God brought back only,

BUT HE Raised up literal Israel. That is a miracle. You are not sure how this is a positive?


1. it proves God word is true Prophetically
2. It speaks directly to Gods Mercy and grace to people
3. it is a Living Testimony of the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob

And it means Jesus too is coming back to the geographical location known as Israel.

HOW YOU CAN'T SEE THAT? I leave that between you and God.

 

[CS1]

the are many reports coming in where the hate for Israel is growing and it is in the church. public schools, local leadership, and mainly liberal churches are becoming more vocal in speaking out against Israel. Some evangelical ones too. They are touting what they are calling Christian Zionism. Martin Luther and John Calvin were two who harshly denounced the Jews.

Well, it is back and with the media solely in the liberal camp, Israel will not get a fair look. This will be very serious because it is increasing very rapidly and can or will lead to war in a greater way than it is right now. Once again Israel will be alone. But God is fully able to place that hook in the jaw of Israel's enemy and lead them to their own destruction. It could be very likely we are about to see the war that Ezekiel talked about.

 

[OldSage]

Yes you can laugh, yet if you read the book of Judges, you will see Israel was overtaken one time the Bible records 18 years. You may think that is nothing but let the USA be overtaken for 18 years. Let the people be taken captive and sent to every part of the globe for almost 1000 years, then be brought back to the original land in 1948 and become a super power today.

Totally unheard of. That is the Power of God and HIS word to do what HE said. It was not spiritual Israel God brought back only,

BUT HE Raised up literal Israel. That is a miracle. You are not sure how this is a positive?


1. it proves God word is true Prophetically
2. It speaks directly to Gods Mercy and grace to people
3. it is a Living Testimony of the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob

And it means Jesus too is coming back to the geographical location known as Israel.

HOW YOU CAN'T SEE THAT? I leave that between you and God.

You are twisting things a bit here. And getting shouty doesn't help.
Israel's history was pretty tormented, and God only opted not to completely
wipe them out because it would make him look unreliable.

The point I made is that God gave the land to Israel under Abraham.
You can take that how you want.

The bottom line is that it is part of the Abrahamic Covenant - the promises made to Abraham.
Those are the promises that come with accepting Christ.
As long as Israel has an old covenant mindset things won't go well.
Why do you think Moses was prohibited from ever entering the land?
Why do you think Israel has problems now?
Once they turn to Christ, which is happening now, then things will be alright.
And I think you understood my point the first time, so don't use me as a billboard for your anger

 

[CS1]

You are twisting things a bit here. And getting shouty doesn't help.
Israel's history was pretty tormented, and God only opted not to completely
wipe them out because it would make him look unreliable.

The point I made is that God gave the land to Israel under Abraham.
You can take that how you want.

The bottom line is that it is part of the Abrahamic Covenant - the promises made to Abraham.
Those are the promises that come with accepting Christ.
As long as Israel has an old covenant mindset things won't go well.
Why do you think Moses was prohibited from ever entering the land?
Why do you think Israel has problems now?
Once they turn to Christ, which is happening now, then things will be alright.
And I think you understood my point the first time, so don't use me as a billboard for your anger

did not SHOUT!

I emphasized in my response.

God did not give the land to Abraham. God gave it to Abraham and his descendants.


Genesis 12:1-3
Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

 

[CS1]

did not SHOUT!

I emphasized in my response.

God did not give the land to Abraham. God gave it to Abraham and his descendants.


Genesis 12:1-3
Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

also in Genesis 17:21


21 But your son Isaac will be born about this time next year, and the promise I am making to you and your family will be for him and his descendants forever.

 

[Truth7t7]

the are many reports coming in where the hate for Israel is growing and it is in the church. public schools, local leadership, and mainly liberal churches are becoming more vocal in speaking out against Israel. Some evangelical ones too. They are touting what they are calling Christian Zionism. Martin Luther and John Calvin were two who harshly denounced the Jews.

Well, it is back and with the media solely in the liberal camp, Israel will not get a fair look. This will be very serious because it is increasing very rapidly and can or will lead to war in a greater way than it is right now. Once again Israel will be alone. But God is fully able to place that hook in the jaw of Israel's enemy and lead them to their own destruction. It could be very likely we are about to see the war that Ezekiel talked about.

Many are "Blind" to scriptural truth as presented before your eyes, Israel/Jerusalem will see the future fulfilling of the Gentiles for 42 months Rev 11:2, and the future slaughter of 2/3 will be cut off and die Zechariah 13:8, Luke 21:21-22

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 13:8KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Luke 21:20-23KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

[Truth7t7]

did not SHOUT!

I emphasized in my response.

God did not give the land to Abraham. God gave it to Abraham and his descendants.


Genesis 12:1-3
Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

All the families of the earth have been blessed, at the fulfillment to Abraham in Jesus Christ

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[OldSage]

So you would say 7t7 that the inheritance is the land of Israel, but there is neither Jew nor Palestinian, but only Christians and non-Christians?

 

[CS1]

So you would say 7t7 that the inheritance is the land of Israel, but there is neither Jew nor Palestinian, but only Christians and non-Christians?

the term Christian was not before it was mentioned in the book of Acts 70 AD. The nation of Israel was already overrun by Rome.

I think you are not understanding the need for Christ to be saved which all must do and yes the jews too. Yet God in His word has made Israel relevant for end times and the people. If God is able to keep His promises to Israel how much more to the Church?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you would say 7t7 that the inheritance is the land of Israel, but there is neither Jew nor Palestinian, but only Christians and non-Christians?

I dont know what your talking about inheritance of land, palestinian jew non Jew etc, post scripture to support your claim(s)

 

[MoonCresta]

I support Israel.

 

[OldSage]

I dont know what your talking about inheritance of land, palestinian jew non Jew etc, post scripture to support your claim(s)

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

 

[Truth7t7]

the term Christian was not before it was mentioned in the book of Acts 70 AD. The nation of Israel was already overrun by Rome.

I think you are not understanding the need for Christ to be saved which all must do and yes the jews too. Yet God in His word has made Israel relevant for end times and the people. If God is able to keep His promises to Israel how much more to the Church?

Jerusalem will be relevant to the fact of it being the seat of the future Antichrist, and 42 months of wrath upon the Jews, as 2/3 in the land will be cut off and die

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 13:8KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Luke 21:20-23KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

[OldSage]

The everlasting land covenant comes with the everlasting covenant of circumcision.
But the circumcision covenant is only everlasting through Christ - the circumcision of the heart.
Ergo to have the land as an everlasting covenant, the Israelites need the heart circumcision - to worship Jesus as the King and high priest of Israel.