Spiritual gifts anyone?

[Artios1]

Definitely you friend.

Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. 2For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, 3how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?


Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.


4There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

If you are going to call someone out …Please explain where you think the discrepancy is

You threw scripture from Hebrews which was written to the Jews of the dispersion…Not to the Church of God ….and it does not contradict what I wrote.

Then you go through 1Cor 12:1-11 ….giving a bigger fount to words in verse 4 …..which I explained in my original post.

But you don’t really say where the discrepancy is.

I do see you enlarged As he wills in another post…so I will cover that.



I Cor. 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Some say the words “severely as he will” are referring to “as God wills”. If that were the case then God just contradicted Himself from verse 7 where He stated “is given to every man”... Furthermore the word severely is the Greek word idia from idios meaning “ones own”. Of the 114 times the word idios is used in the Bible, this is the only place it is translated severely. Usually translated “one’s own” “his own” “your own”.

By using the correct rendering of this word idios, verse 11 would read “dividing (distributing) to every man his own, as he (the man) will”

 

[DavidTree]

If you are going to call someone out …Please explain where you think the discrepancy is

You threw scripture from Hebrews which was written to the Jews of the dispersion…Not to the Church of God ….and it does not contradict what I wrote.

Then you go through 1Cor 12:1-11 ….giving a bigger fount to words in verse 4 …..which I explained in my original post.

But you don’t really say where the discrepancy is.

I do see you enlarged As he wills in another post…so I will cover that.



I Cor. 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Some say the words “severely as he will” are referring to “as God wills”. If that were the case then God just contradicted Himself from verse 7 where He stated “is given to every man”... Furthermore the word severely is the Greek word idia from idios meaning “ones own”. Of the 114 times the word idios is used in the Bible, this is the only place it is translated severely. Usually translated “one’s own” “his own” “your own”.

By using the correct rendering of this word idios, verse 11 would read “dividing (distributing) to every man his own, as he (the man) will”

My Brother in Christ,
It's all in Post 17 & 19

You said: "Just one word added by translators in four different areas has significantly changed the foundational of this magnificent subject."
This is not an accurate statement according to the Scripture = see Post #17 & 19

The volume of the Book is written about Christ = from Genesis to Revelation = this includes who Elohim is, the Holy Spirit,
the Bride of Christ and the Gifts for His Bride.

Also - no man distributes the Gifts of the Holy Spirit = Not by might(man) nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the LORD of hosts.

This is the Theme from Genesis to Revelation.

Peace Brother - seeing by the Spirit in the Scripture is far more advantageous then thru academia alone. We see this in Acts.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hello brothers and sisters in Christ,

Anyone has any spiritual gifts? Would you mind sharing if you do?

Peace. Love you all.

JF

I’m Not really sure honestly , I’m sure we all Have some though. It’s too bad we never seem to Be able to get together and let them flow back and forth without arguing lol

 

[jb]

...Hebrews which was written to the Jews of the dispersion…Not to the Church of God ….and it does not contradict what I wrote.

Total Nonsense!

The epistle to the Hebrews (and ALL the NT) is written to The Church, The Body of Christ!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Total Nonsense!

The epistle to the Hebrews (and ALL the NT) is written to The Church, The Body of Christ!

Amen

 

[Edify]

There is problem that has caused much confusion and disappointment when it comes to spiritual gifts, brought on by well-meaning translators. And while most versions have adopted this distortion as God-breathed, at least the KJV and NKJV puts the added words in italic.

Just one word added by translators in four different areas has significantly changed the foundational of this magnificent subject.

In chapters 12, 13, &14 of I Corinthians the word GIFTS has been added four times …..12:1, as well as 13:2, 14:1 & 14:12. These should be deleted or crossed out in your Bible, as they are not in the original text and not well supplied in these verses.

12:1) Now concerning spiritual (gifts) brethren I would not have you ignorant.

The word “spiritual” in verse 1 is the Greek word (pneumatikos) meaning “that which belongs to, is determined by, influenced by, or proceeds from the spirit” (spiritual matters). By inserting the word GIFTS here, it sets the mental assumption for the rest of this chapter….

12:4 does talk about the “diversity of gifts” …..of which there are seven given to the “Church of the Body of Christ” →(“5 gift ministries” listed in Ephesians) →(“holy spirit” “the gift” given at new birth) and →(“gifts of healing” because every healing is a gift, but it is still a manifestation thereof).

((For clarification: The 5 gift ministries given are not special favoritism given by God to man, these are a responsibility …ministries of service to the body of Christ. Faithful committed believers who excel in specific areas and are willing to give their all.))



Then in verse 6 it states that God is the one who energizes {worketh} each operation.

In verse 7 it changes from gifts to manifestation.

Verse 7 “But the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal”

The word BUT sets in contrast that which precedes it …..it’s a contrasting conjunction … verses 4-6 was dealing with gifts but now it’s changed from gifts to manifestation.
So, what’s the difference between GIFT and MANIFESTATION.
A gift is individually given, and you do not have it unless someone gives it to you, a manifestation is an evidence, a showing forth of something you already have.

Verse 7 also states the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man (gender neutral) to profit withal…which means everyone born again has the ability to operate all 9 manifestation of the spirit.

1 gift 9 operations.

There seems to be a problem with striking the word gift out, especially since nearly every translation has it.
Yes, it is placed there for understandings' sake, because it was needed. Not every Greek word has a sufficient translated word for it, so some of them can't be properly translated unless proper wording is added for understandings' sake.
This wasn't a mistake.
I also noticed you didn't attempt to give your "proper" version of that meaning, leaving it rather open-ended(for interpretation).That's not good teaching.
If you want to relate something as incorrect, that's fine, but state plainly your reason as to what it ought to be. Otherwise, you make yourself look as if you really don't know what you're talking about.
I know that seems a little harsh & direct, but how else could I say it?
People of understanding & wisdom would gladly receive instruction, but others would simply be insulted. I hope you see my true intentions.

 

[Blain]

I have the gift of propehcy discernment of spirits and love but God has used me in many different gifts at different times I never am one thing for him he used me in the gift of teaching he used me for intersession he uses me as needed

 

[Edify]

You threw scripture from Hebrews which was written to the Jews of the dispersion…Not to the Church of God ….and it does not contradict what I wrote.

Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians. All the epistles were written to christians, as the world cannot discern spiritual things.
Since it is written to christians, EVERY christian can benefit from it.
You should have known that.

 

[Oblio]

If you are going to call someone out …Please explain where you think the discrepancy is

You threw scripture from Hebrews which was written to the Jews of the dispersion…Not to the Church of God ….and it does not contradict what I wrote.

Artios1, though I've chosen not to post hear because I've had enough insults for now, I will post this...
http://www.scripturaltruths.org/Art...hom Was Hebrews Written - July 2021 - PDF.pdf

 

[Edify]

Every christian should have the gift of prophecy according to Acts 2.
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

17“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.

It totally confuses me why so many christians believe tounges is the evidence when prophecy is. It's right there in The Book.
Moses declared it in the OT, & still many miss it.
It is my personal opinion that many don't have this Baptism as they claim. My reasoning is they don't show the fruit of it.
My own Baptism had me praising God & quoting scriptures I didn't even know. I was told I didn't have it because I didn't speak in tongues. But I knew something has happened inside of me because there was boldness instead of timidity. New courage, new zeal to search the scriptures & study, a new zeal to pray, & a new understanding of the Kingdom.

 

[Artios1]

Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians. All the epistles were written to christians, as the world cannot discern spiritual things.
Since it is written to christians, EVERY christian can benefit from it.
You should have known that.

I agree ...and I did leave out a few words that I should have included. "who could not handle grace and wanted to walk in the law"

 

[Edify]

1 Corinthians 14:1Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

 

[Oblio]

"…2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;…"
- Ephesians 4:2-4

 

[Oblio]

My gifts? Tongues, prophecy, and from time to time, the discerning of spirits, though I don't recall Him telling me the last one.
I believe there's a few other ones, though since I haven't seen evidence of them, I prefer to keep them to myself.

 

[Jesusfollower]

I have different ones at various times.

Hi,

Would you mind giving some details?

For my part, I see things if the future. Not very far in the future but nonetheless in the future.

I will share with everyone what i have seen in another post of this thread.

Many thanks and bless you.

JF

 

[Runningman]

It’s my personal conviction that the spiritual gifts are still alive and active and that everyone at least receives the gift of faith.

I.e., not everyone will just simply believe Jesus rose from the dead after three days because it isn’t logical, but if they do then it’s the gift of faith and evidence of salvation.

The mighty gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophesying, and laying on of hands not everyone can handle and I believe God recognizes that. Not every believer is currently worthy to receive such a baptism of the Holy Spirit, for unspecified reasons, as evidenced by the disparity of spiritual gifts among bonafide believers.

This isn’t necessary a bad thing, it could just be that some individuals are not ready. It’s for their own good, health, and safety.

God simply chooses, not based on subjective criteria, who is worthy to receive which gifts and which gifts they aren’t worthy to receive. Therefore it’s possible to have all of the gifts, some, or at least the gift of faith.

This is just a revelation I was given after praying about the baptism of the Holy Spirit one day.

 

[Oblio]

Hi,

Would you mind giving some details?

For my part, I see things if the future. Not very far in the future but nonetheless in the future.

I will share with everyone what i have seen in another post of this thread.

Many thanks and bless you.

JF

Hi. I've known a few people who have that aspect of the prophetic gift. Though not me. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
We serve a supernatural God. It seems to me that we should expect to have supernatural experiences with Him. I see it like this...
The written word is the riverbed. The Holy Spirit is the river. To have healthy, sustainable life and growth, we need both.

 

[Runningman]

Hi. I've known a few people who have that aspect of the prophetic gift. Though not me. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
We serve a supernatural God. It seems to me that we should expect to have supernatural experiences with Him. I see it like this...
The written word is the riverbed. The Holy Spirit is the river. To have healthy, sustainable life and growth, we need both.

Yes, the supernatural experiences. They can be both awe-inspiring and terrifying, especially visions. IMO, visions often aren’t sunshine and rainbows. Look at some examples in the Bible, they’re often bizarre, confusing, starting, and even terrifying at times. It definitely requires some mental and emotional fortitude to not be broken by such a thing. I just don’t think everyone can handle it.

 

[Oblio]

The Lord once gave me an experience...whether it was a vision, or He actually transported me there, I can't honestly say. It seemed like I was there. It was Jude 14,15/1 Enoch 1:9. It startled me, to say the least, though it didn't seem good or bad. It was awesome.
I think this sort of thing has to do with a prophetic gift I have. Though it functions apart from my will.

 

[Jesusfollower]

The Lord once gave me an experience...whether it was a vision, or He actually transported me there, I can't honestly say. It seemed like I was there. It was Jude 14,15/1 Enoch 1:9. It startled me, to say the least, though it didn't seem good or bad. It was awesome.
I think this sort of thing has to do with a prophetic gift I have. Though it functions apart from my will.

Dear Oblio, I believe in what you say what you saw is the coming of the great tribulation i think that what it means. Now for what i saw, it occurred in july 2017. For about 10 days consecutive, i saw in mi mind big letters of a word in my mind over and over EXODUS and again EXODUS, for about 10 days ( I did not count how many days) at the same time i had the certainty that something really awful, deadly was being planned like a dreadful feeling of approaching doom for humanity.

Later in the fall of 2021, I had a second part this time the words""Jacob's trouble"" but i saw these only for about 3 days. I think we are at the beginning of the great tribulation.

There is a prophecy about the return of the lost tribes to Israel i think it s the meaning of what i saw. I am still researching the lost tribes it's fascinating. In any case I beleive we are in the lase days, Our Lord Jesus will come soon .

Jeremiah 30
King James Version

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord.

22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Isaiah 56:8

“Thus declares the Lord GOD, Who gathers the dispersed of Israel: “I will gather still more to those already gathered.”

Isaiah 66:19

“I will set a sign among them, and send from them survivors to the nations: to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud—that draw the bow—to Tubal, Javan, and the distant coasts, that have never heard My fame nor beheld My glory. They shall declare My glory among these nations.”

Blessings,

JF