Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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Orderly Worship in a Pentecostal service
26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.
27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
And so when our church comes together for a worship service this is exactly what we do.
The three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit are conducted decently and in order as per scripture.
Now in the gifts of prophecy more than once God has explained clearly and directly that the ONLY sign he has given for disciples
to know with truth that they have received God's Spirit is as scripture declares speaking in a new tongue.
Through the gift of prophecy God elaborates much on the necessity to pray in the spiritual language that he has given to his
children by his Spirit; for praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Spirit and that is when rivers of living water do flow out from us.
Praying in the Spirit = praying in tongues and enables the power of the Holy Spirit to work within our hearts and souls; our minds
and bodies; building up our faith and submitting our will to God.
26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.
27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
And so when our church comes together for a worship service this is exactly what we do.
The three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit are conducted decently and in order as per scripture.
Now in the gifts of prophecy more than once God has explained clearly and directly that the ONLY sign he has given for disciples
to know with truth that they have received God's Spirit is as scripture declares speaking in a new tongue.
Through the gift of prophecy God elaborates much on the necessity to pray in the spiritual language that he has given to his
children by his Spirit; for praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Spirit and that is when rivers of living water do flow out from us.
Praying in the Spirit = praying in tongues and enables the power of the Holy Spirit to work within our hearts and souls; our minds
and bodies; building up our faith and submitting our will to God.
1 Corinthians 14:1-5 (KJV; emphasis added):
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Verse 1 mentions prophesying.
Verse 2 mentions tongues and verse 3 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues.
Verse 4 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues.
Verse 5 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues, then declares one greater than the other.
If tongues is prophesying, then how can prophesying be greater than tongues?
*sigh*
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Verse 1 mentions prophesying.
Verse 2 mentions tongues and verse 3 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues.
Verse 4 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues.
Verse 5 CONTRASTS prophesying with tongues, then declares one greater than the other.
If tongues is prophesying, then how can prophesying be greater than tongues?
*sigh*
It says they recieved the Holy Ghost after salvation.
And it was by the laying on of hands.
Show me anywhere salvation is or was recieved by laying on of hands
So the bible shows the baptism in the Holy Ghost as a SEPARATE experience.
Jesus said the Father gives the Holy Spirit to those that Ask him.
It is hapening today.
You are talking from mental talking points. Not Gods word.
And it was by the laying on of hands.
Show me anywhere salvation is or was recieved by laying on of hands
So the bible shows the baptism in the Holy Ghost as a SEPARATE experience.
Jesus said the Father gives the Holy Spirit to those that Ask him.
It is hapening today.
You are talking from mental talking points. Not Gods word.
Jesus most likely never was severed from the Father,or the Holy Ghost.
And yet the Holy Spirit descended on Him at the Jordan.
If i have a dollar or a million dollars i still have money.
I can have a trickle,salvation,or a river,pentecost.
It not the same.
Ask anyone thats received the baptism in the Holy Ghost. It is like an electric wire.
And yet the Holy Spirit descended on Him at the Jordan.
If i have a dollar or a million dollars i still have money.
I can have a trickle,salvation,or a river,pentecost.
It not the same.
Ask anyone thats received the baptism in the Holy Ghost. It is like an electric wire.
I actually like the 5 minute rule because it allows us some time for repair, but keeps us from endlessly editing (or deleting and denying) things we've actually said. 
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All you are doing is cherry picking to twist the truth.
The following verses CLEARLY depict tongues in private use,which is a transaction between God and the pray- er,vs being with other believers where either prophesy or an interpreter would edify the assembly.
But of course you NEED IT to say something else.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
SEE THAT????
IT CLEARLY,CLEARLY supports what i amd thousands other H S baptised believers practice,and enjoy the FACT that the bible AUTHENTICATES it,but you call it demonic.
Wow,you got some heavy duty repenting calling the Holy Spirit demonic.
You see,when ANYONE prays for the Holy Spirit.satan CANNOT ANSWER that prayer.
We are guaranteed the Holy Spirit.
You should not ,in your mind, flippantly attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to satan.
It is chilling.
Repulsive.
Oh,and concerning laughter,the bible says "joy" is my strength.
My strength.
Look up " joy unspeakable"
(Yet another heavenly blessing you attribute to satan)
The following verses CLEARLY depict tongues in private use,which is a transaction between God and the pray- er,vs being with other believers where either prophesy or an interpreter would edify the assembly.
But of course you NEED IT to say something else.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
SEE THAT????
IT CLEARLY,CLEARLY supports what i amd thousands other H S baptised believers practice,and enjoy the FACT that the bible AUTHENTICATES it,but you call it demonic.
Wow,you got some heavy duty repenting calling the Holy Spirit demonic.
You see,when ANYONE prays for the Holy Spirit.satan CANNOT ANSWER that prayer.
We are guaranteed the Holy Spirit.
You should not ,in your mind, flippantly attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to satan.
It is chilling.
Repulsive.
Oh,and concerning laughter,the bible says "joy" is my strength.
My strength.
Look up " joy unspeakable"
(Yet another heavenly blessing you attribute to satan)
Then Jesus was wasting his time at His ascention.
He breathed on them and said " receive the Holy Spirit"
According to your doctrine,they as belivers already had it.
I guess you think all those born again believers in the upper room were disenchanted also.
You really shoulda been there to straighten them out.
He breathed on them and said " receive the Holy Spirit"
According to your doctrine,they as belivers already had it.
I guess you think all those born again believers in the upper room were disenchanted also.
You really shoulda been there to straighten them out.
I'd like to answer about interpretation of tongues in a 'real talk' way.
Sometimes we're trying to talk to God. Sometimes we're trying to talk to man. Paul starts by explaining that unknown tongues is for talking to God, not man. And prophesying is talking to man, not God.
The only time tongues conveys a message to anyone other than God, is if God provides the interpretation (which is akin to prophesying).
So basically Paul is telling them "Unless God tells you he's going to provide an interpretation, don't be standing up to share something with us and instead start speaking in tongues BECAUSE NO ONE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, because, AGAIN, 'unknown' tongues is NOT for conveying messages to man." ...and... " If you feel the need to stand up and do that, then you'd better be praying to be given the interpretation (to share) or your just going to look like a fool."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Sometimes we're trying to talk to God. Sometimes we're trying to talk to man. Paul starts by explaining that unknown tongues is for talking to God, not man. And prophesying is talking to man, not God.
The only time tongues conveys a message to anyone other than God, is if God provides the interpretation (which is akin to prophesying).
So basically Paul is telling them "Unless God tells you he's going to provide an interpretation, don't be standing up to share something with us and instead start speaking in tongues BECAUSE NO ONE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, because, AGAIN, 'unknown' tongues is NOT for conveying messages to man." ...and... " If you feel the need to stand up and do that, then you'd better be praying to be given the interpretation (to share) or your just going to look like a fool."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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