Should we forgive adam and eve

[Nehemiah6]

I've never heard of it in the bible for sure

EZEKIEL 28: THE ANOINTED CHERUB WHO GREATLY SINNED
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus [Satan controlling or possessing this man], and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isaiah 14: LUCIFER EXPOSED FOR HIS AMBITION IN HIS HEART
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 

[AandW]

There was a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge from the very beginning. Salvation was already designed before God created Adam and Breathed into his nostrils. And if we take into account the Book of Job, God gave Satan permission to attack Job. No doubt God gave Satan permission to tempt Eve foreknowing she would fail. Adam and Eve don't need forgiveness, they need our understanding that God had a Plan and they were the original Chess Pieces designed to fail.

 

[soberxp]

Revelation
Chapter 22
16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Isaiah 14:12-14 son of the morning.

I think it's just a statement about someone

EZEKIEL 28: THE ANOINTED CHERUB WHO GREATLY SINNED
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus [Satan controlling or possessing this man], and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isaiah 14: LUCIFER EXPOSED FOR HIS AMBITION IN HIS HEART
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Revelation
Chapter 22
16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Isaiah 14:12-14 son of the morning.

I think it's just a statement about someone who should be the son of God,but ...............................

 

[mustaphadrink]

Hi all
The lords prayers tells us to forgive those who tresspass against us, which means those who sin against us to.
My understanding here is any sin is a tresspass against us, and where told to forgive those who tresspass against us. However can we forgive somebody who tresspasses against somebody else and is that a tresspass against us also.


should we forgive adam and eve for there sin which did lead to a tresspass against all mankind ?

Thoughts please and scripture to back your thoughts up thanks.

What is there to forgive. As my daughter says "It is what it is."

 

[soberxp]

What is there to forgive. As my daughter says "It is what it is."

To forgive is to forgive

 

[de-emerald]

It depends if Adam and Eve have repented. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus never taught unconditional forgiveness. He taught that if your brother or sister asks for forgiveness, and repents, then you're obligated to forgive them.

This is still unconditional because its still your choice if you forgive them or not.
If you read between the lines here its a warning too that you should be willing to forgive your brother, not unwilling.

Your next question was adam and eve even a brother or in christ. which means your suggesting conditional rules around forgiving when its a requirement and a commandment,

I understand your view point here but i dont see your argument here because the lords prayer is written this way.

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Above clearly makes a reference to all people who sin against you not just brothers or those in christ
It aslo makes reference that you must have a willingness to forgive.
It makes no reference that you must have repentance first from the sinner who has sinned against you. It also makes reference to forgiving being a requirment God expects from us. But the requirment is you only have to forgive those who sin against you and not those who sin against others.

My question is did adam and eve sin against all mankind and is being born with a sinful nature a tresspass against us. ? that is what i was puzzled on.

 

[mustaphadrink]

To forgive is to forgive

I have never forgiven Adam and Eve because it isn't an issue for me. They did what they did so as far as I am concerned, it is what it is and as such it has not directly affected me. To me, sin is part and parcel of life and I do not blame a certain person for it. It is the nature of the beast and I am not fighting a war against Adam and Eve's sin, but sin in general motivated by Satan.

I guess in that respect, he is more of a problem to me than Adam and Eve.

I guess I could say that I am plagued by a particular sin because Adam and Eve were a pain in the backside and should not have done what they did, and be angry about it all, but that is not how it works for me. if I sin, that is my problem, not Adam and Eve's.

 

[de-emerald]

if I sin, that is my problem, not Adam and Eve's.

Thats exactly my point that you cant blame adam and eve if you forgive them. You could pass some blame for those who dont accept christ Because theyve been born with a sinful nature inherited from adam and eve. but not if you forgive them.

 

[soberxp]

I have never forgiven Adam and Eve because it isn't an issue for me. They did what they did so as far as I am concerned, it is what it is and as such it has not directly affected me. To me, sin is part and parcel of life and I do not blame a certain person for it. It is the nature of the beast and I am not fighting a war against Adam and Eve's sin, but sin in general motivated by Satan.

I guess in that respect, he is more of a problem to me than Adam and Eve.

I guess I could say that I am plagued by a particular sin because Adam Eve were a pain in the backside and should not have done what they did, and be angry about it all, but that is not how it works for me. if I sin, that is my problem, not Adam and Eve's.

It's a wonderful and strange process. If we
have to find someone to be responsible for it, besides Adam and Eve, there is also an option ancient serpent. I think God is already responsible for these things,Jesus has dead for all. I think we can stop looking for someone or an animal responsible for all of this.

but forgiven them even the serpent for whatever reason cuz all of this.

IMO, if we don't stop blaming serpent , he or she will try to push us to sin till we die with him or her .........

 

[de-emerald]

Ive got no anger towards adam and eve and no blame because there sin has been paid for at the cross.
Just to set the record straight i only raised this thread to find out peoples opinions on the matter and im not going to judge those who have a difference in opinion.
I know how satan works and i found that by forgiving those who have sinned against me i was free from anger but thats how satan works as he doesnt want us to forgive he would rather we blame somebody else than him, even thou satan is the root cause for most who sin. I see the warning from God to show willingness to forgive is also so the enemy doesnt get a hold on you along with other reasons like two people dont become enemies. and many other reasons. I found not forgiving people because i hadnt recieved an opology was my fall from grace.

I wanted answers for a long time from people who had sinned against me and afflicted me. and for some people i never will get an answer or an opology which did consume me. I had to let it all go because i realised thats how the enemy wants us to be,
The enemy is a sneak who likes to remind people of there inflictions over and over untill they panic.
The enemy is desperate right now for me to defile my own body over and over again trying to break my will and tempting me to have a ciggerette.
I feal the enemy breaks are will in other ways to reminding us over and over again about problems or fear or past afflictions.

Its been 5 long days for me without a ciggerette and my will is becoming stronger by the day. Im now convinced that the reason why most people sin is because there will and self control gets broken by the enemy.

So for theese reasons ive answered yes. and for theese reasons i feal i am free from condemnation.

 

[Evmur]

I have decided that i will forgive the sin of adam and eve. Ive voted Yes.
Lol i thought someone may say this, have you answered yet anyway.

Guess what, you'd have done the same thing they did. In fact you were in them when they sinned. You were part of that rush of blood to the head.

 

[de-emerald]

Guess what, you'd have done the same thing they did. In fact you were in them when they sinned. You were part of that rush of blood to the head.

you replying to a post where i double quoted by accident.

not sure i understand what your saying here could you explain more

 

[de-emerald]

oh no problem. I just did not understand ... I wasn't angry, just puzzled. Hundreds of my posts? musta been an awful long day

Sorry thought i should requote you, i over exaggerated not hundreds. maybe just 10 or so i read through and all your post youve made since i joined this site. and they whernt terrible i was just joking with you. i do appreciate your posts and like your humor and honesty. I would love to have you as a friend also

 

[80S]

Interesting. I don't know how you are supposed to forgive an event so remote. There is also a school of thought that we were in Adam, so to speak, when he sinned, so we share his guilt. This link gives a good explanation.

The principle is the same as shown in Hebrews in relation to Levi and Aaron. Levi is said to have been "in the loins" of Aaron. It could just as easily be said that all mankind was in the loins of Adam.

Let's not be too quick to judge Adam and Eve. How well would we have done in the same situation?

The OP considered our first parents' sin as a trespass or offense against him personally! How could that "trespass" happen when he didn't even exist yet at Adam's lifetime? Adam and Eve might as well be profusely apologizing to every person who is entering heaven now until they're tired of it.

 

[Grandpa]

I think I'm dumber now, after having read this thread.

Not sure how I'm going to make it back to my former glory...

 

[pottersclay]

It depends if Adam and Eve have repented. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus never taught unconditional forgiveness. He taught that if your brother or sister asks for forgiveness, and repents, then you're obligated to forgive them.

Luke 17:4
4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Are Adam and Eve even our brother and sister in a literal or spiritual sense? Are they in Christ?

All of that being said, there is nothing wrong with being proactive with forgiveness and giving it to those who don't even ask. But if they don't ask then I don't think forgiveness is a requirement.

Jesus never taught unconditional forgiveness???😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

 

[Runningman]

My question is did adam and eve sin against all mankind and is being born with a sinful nature a tresspass against us. ? that is what i was puzzled on.

Sin entered the world through A&E before there were other people to sin against. Their sin brought a curse upon mankind, the Earth, and maybe even the entire material universe.

Their actions certainly led to a punishment that has inevitably effected all of us in some way. Tracing the cause of our fallen world can go directly back to A&E. So I can understand why people may be tempted to harbor resentment against them.

Before you asked this question, I have sometimes ruminated in regret why they did what they did, especially when I'm going through trials, wishing things could just be perfect again. I've never felt like I could not forgive them, though.

I mean, if any of us were Adam and Eve how would we performed? Sure, in hindsight, we may say we would do the right thing, but they didn't. Why would we?

 

[Runningman]

Jesus never taught unconditional forgiveness???😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

Correct. He taught that if a brother or sister asks for forgiveness and repents then we're obligated to forgive them.

Luke 17:3-4
3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

 

[de-emerald]

There was a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge from the very beginning. Salvation was already designed before God created Adam and Breathed into his nostrils. And if we take into account the Book of Job, God gave Satan permission to attack Job. No doubt God gave Satan permission to tempt Eve foreknowing she would fail. Adam and Eve don't need forgiveness, they need our understanding that God had a Plan and they were the original Chess Pieces designed to fail.

God said to test Job not attack him. there is a clear distinction there.
God knew Jobs heart was strong and that was the only reason he allowed it. God was teaching satan a lesson here not job.
Dont forget everthing that satan took from job, God gave job it all back.

What makes you think because God allowed Job to be tested by satan he also allows other people to be tested by satan?
Do you know for sure ?
because the way i see it God only allowed it because he knew Job would be strong enough.
But satan as always went to far.
But what i get from the story of Job is God is telling satan one day all my children will be as strong as Job in heart and you will not succeed anymore in stealing my children one day.

Your doctrin is a reason why so many people resent God just so you know.

So again i ask what makes you think your rule applies to all people.

because the way i see it is many are weak in faith.

 

[AandW]

God said to test Job not attack him. there is a clear distinction there.
God knew Jobs heart was strong and that was the only reason he allowed it. God was teaching satan a lesson here not job.
Dont forget everthing that satan took from job, God gave job it all back.

What makes you think because God allowed Job to be tested by satan he also allows other people to be tested by satan?
Do you know for sure ?
because the way i see it God only allowed it because he knew Job would be strong enough.
But satan as always went to far.
But what i get from the story of Job is God is telling satan one day all my children will be as strong as Job in heart and you will not succeed anymore in stealing my children one day.

Your doctrin is a reason why so many people resent God just so you know.

So again i ask what makes you think your rule applies to all people.

because the way i see it is many are weak in faith.

Every Believer is Tempted in one way or several. A Pastor can be Tempted by the number of people in his congregation, the access to the cash flow, even women who like a man of status and power. All Believers are Tempted with the example of Paul, thorn in their side, that is a sin they can never overcome but understands the Grace of God and His work upon the Cross is more than sufficient enough. A Believer struggling with Cancer, Disease, Virus, Pornography, Alcoholism, Smoking, Adultery, Lying, Jealousy, etc are all under Temptation and Attack by the Adversary (which only God can allow).

My Doctrine is Discernment/common sense, which would be nice if you possessed enough to comprehend the intent here!