Should Christians Follow Scripture Alone or Scripture and Traditions?

[Magenta]

Your problem

Why is it my problem??? You seem incapable of grasping any point I made.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why is it my problem??? You seem incapable of grasping any point I made.

You are coming from what scripture has said since it was written

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sola scriptura is the rejection of the self-appointed authority of the Roman Catholic
pope/church and confidence in their traditions, false doctrines, and heretical dogmas.

It is not a rejection of the Holy Spirit of God as a source of guidance

Jesus chastised the Pharisees not for searching the Scriptures,
but for their rejection of Him of Whom Scripture testified.

“and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[ResidentAlien]

No debate intended sir, just an exchange of opinions on Christian matters.

I already have my opinion on this settled.

 

[Komentaja]

How so? Are you Catholic?

I am not a Catholic at all. The protestant churches are just "Catholic lite"

The meaning of the word "alone" means alone. So you can't have by faith alone, scriptures alone, grace alone, and so on. Thats too many alones. So which one is it? By grace alone? Or by faith alone? Or is it both?

the Sola Scriptura is a great idea, too bad Luther didn't follow it. He coined a cool phrase, people talk about it a lot, its just not implemented in their churches. Where does the Bible talk about confirmation? Same page it mentions sola scriptura? You see where im going with this? They say: Sola Scriptura, they believe and teach something else.

So much for sola scriptura

 

[ResidentAlien]

The meaning of the word "alone" means alone. So you can't have by faith alone, scriptures alone, grace alone, and so on. Thats too many alones. So which one is it? By grace alone? Or by faith alone? Or is it both?

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard here, and that's saying a lot.

 

[Komentaja]

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard here, and that's saying a lot.

It was written like that on purpose, because the point of the five solas is just to do a catchy phrase to spite the catholic church, while in reality the protestant churches are very close to the mommy church. In fact today with the ecumenical movement they are practically one and the same, same spirit, same agenda.

Does the protestant church believe in faith alone? Nope, because they always say and teach and ive lived in a lutheran country so I know trust me, that the faith is never alone. Its by faith alone, but faith is never alone. In other words, just mental gymnastics to teach : live right.

Do they believe in sola scriptura? Nope, confirmations, infant baptisms, collars on priests etc.

Its all just phrases, meaningless.

 

[Komentaja]

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard here, and that's saying a lot.

Its funny too cause you being so wise and all, you didnt even know Sola Scriptura was invented in the 1500s lol. You thought it means "we should get what we teach from the Bible" didnt you? That sounds great, I agree, we should. Too bad the guy who invented the thing didnt think so

You said. "

I'll be honest, I've never heard that. Can you point me to the source of this "tradition?" Who started it exactly?"

It was the reformers, Luther and them guys. They invented the Sola scriptura idea, which claims by Scripture alone, yet we do unbiblical things.

Church buildings in themselves are unbiblical, no where in the new testament did they have a fancy big building with a cross at the top. They met all over the place.

Lets not talk Sola scriptura guys.

 

[studentoftheword]

For any that believe that the Bible is the only source of God's truth, reread 1 Timothy 3: "The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth." You can try and twist that around any way you want, try translating it into Greek, or tell us what Paul really meant, or you can just ignore Bible verses that don't agree with Sola Scriptura. But the reading is straightforward and it is obvious that Paul is not a Sola Scriptura adherent.

I think there arthurfleminger that you you really should do some research on why Sola Scriptura was brought in in the first place -----and also I think you need to reread 1 Timothy 3 verse 15 is the verse you Quote here ---as you have left a part of it out---

! Timothy 3:15

Literal Standard Version
and if I delay, that you may know how it is required to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is an assembly of the living God—a pillar and foundation of the truth,

God here is the pillar and foundation of the truth ------not the people --------God's word is truth ----Jesus is the Word -----Scripture says---- the Word became Flesh ------Jesus is the piller and the foundation of the truth and the Church --people ----belong to Him

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Now on ------Sola Scriptura ---the Catholic church was preaching False doctrine ---their made up Doctrine ----Like they taught to pray to the Saints and Mary not Jesus as the Scripture clearly says --and they taught indulgences---papal authority etc -----Martin Luther was publicly rebuking the Catholic Church for their false Doctrine being taught ----Martin Luther is the father of the Protestant Formation and said I am convinced by the testimony of Scripture -----

So Sola Scriptura was formed by the cry of the Protestant Formation ------you are right that this word does not appear in the Scripture ---Sola comes from the Latin and means ---alone --base --

! Corinthians 4 AMP--see verse 6 ---says not to go beyond what the scripture says ---so that indicates that it is by scripture alone that they are to abide by -----which would be Sola Scriptura

Servants of Christ
4 So then, let us [who minister] be regarded as servants of Christ and stewards (trustees, administrators) of the mysteries of God [that He chooses to reveal]. 2 In this case, moreover, it is required [as essential and demanded] of stewards that one be found faithful and trustworthy. 3 But [as for me personally] it matters very little to me that I may be judged by you or any human court [on this point]; in fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 I am aware of nothing against myself and I feel blameless, but I am not by this acquitted [before God]. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 So do not go on passing judgment before the appointed time, but wait until the Lord comes, for He will both bring to light the [secret] things that are hidden in darkness and disclose the motives of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

6 Now I have applied these things [that is, the analogies about factions] to myself and Apollos for your benefit, believers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written [in Scripture],
so that none of you will become arrogant and boast in favor of one [minister or teacher] against the other.

I say ----The Word of God who is Jesus is the only authority for the believers Faith ---Right Faith Comes by Sola Scriptura ----who is Jesus Himself ===Traditions are only well founded when they are based on Scripture and are in agreement with Scripture alone

the Core of Sola Scriptura is basing Spiritual life on the Bible alone and rejecting any tradition or teachings that is not in agreement with the Scriptures -----Sola Scriptura ----

 

[TMS]

There are 2 groups, most have their minds made up already.

The catholic church openly say tradition and scripture.
All the protestant reformers said the bible only.

The standard of TRUTH is the bible. Gods inspired word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Act 17:11 KJV These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1Jn 4:1 KJV Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

 

[Inquisitor]

Before the finished canon came, everything was either by letter or oral statement from Paul in person. I don't take this verse to mean there are things outside of scripture that are also authoritative. It seems a pretty big stretch.

I didn't arrive at my belief in sola scriptura by studying moldy theology texts, but from common sense. If you don't have authoritative scripture—and scripture alone—anarchy prevails.

The historical problem is that we have no idea which letters of the disciples comprised, what we refer to as the New Testament.

Churches in the first and second century had an abundance of letters from the disciples. Some were forgeries which even Paul mentions.

So how do we know which letters of the disciples and which disciples, in fact, spoke with divine authority?

Well the truth is we don't know. We must rely on a plethora of early church letters and some level of tradition. To safely establish a New Testament that we can have some confidence in.

Whether you are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Independent, Sect, Pentecostal, e.t.c, you are following some level of tradition. That is the truth. The New Testament we have resulted directly from church tradition and church letters.

Some folk try to ignore church tradition but they are ignorant.

 

[Lafftur]

Should Christians Follow Scripture Alone or Scripture and Traditions?

How would LOVE answer that question?

Love God and love others as you love yourself….

What makes sense now… if not sure, ask yourself, “WHY were the scriptures given and WHY were the traditions given and WHO gave the scriptures and WHO gave the traditions?”

 

[Inquisitor]

There are 2 groups, most have their minds made up already.

The catholic church openly say tradition and scripture.
All the protestant reformers said the bible only.

The standard of TRUTH is the bible. Gods inspired word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Act 17:11 KJV These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1Jn 4:1 KJV Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

So how did the Protestants know which letters written by the disciples were inspired and which were not?

Remember that the Protestants arrived on the scene very late in church history.

Bibles existed a thousand years before the Protestants existed.

 

[Inquisitor]

Should Christians Follow Scripture Alone or Scripture and Traditions?

How would LOVE answer that question?

Love God and love others as you love yourself….

What makes sense now… if not sure, ask yourself, “WHY were the scriptures given and WHY were the traditions given and WHO gave the scriptures and WHO gave the traditions?”

Canonical Scripture and tradition are linked.

No one has a clue what the New Testament comprises without some level of church tradition.

What century did the first declaration of the Canon of the New Testament occur?

 

[TMS]

If the word of God is "(2Ti 3:16-17) given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Should tradition be accepted when it contradict or teaches things contrary to the word?

The catholic church claims to be greater then the scripture.

Should the church define truth, or should inspired scripture define truth?

Catholicism claims the chruch, and true protestants claim that scripture does.

 

[Lafftur]

Canonical Scripture and tradition are linked.

No one has a clue what the New Testament comprises without some level of church tradition.

What century did the first declaration of the Canon of the New Testament occur?

WHO gave us scripture and WHO gave us traditions?

WHO should we follow?

 

[Nehemiah6]

No one has a clue what the New Testament comprises without some level of church tradition.

There was no "church tradition" in the 2nd century when the Peshitta was translated and had the canon of Scripture. This canon was also listed in the 2nd century Muratori canon (but not completely in each case).

 

[TMS]

So how did the Protestants know which letters written by the disciples were inspired and which were not?

Remember that the Protestants arrived on the scene very late in church history.

Bibles existed a thousand years before the Protestants existed.

That debate is still going today.

The catholic church hide the word from people (dark ages), and it was not until people that could access it stepped out and started to protest, that the scriptures began to be studied and read more freely.
But God had His people too.
The waldensies and remnant groups copied the scripture and gave it out at the risk of losing their life.

But like you said the bible was finished and set many years before. It was comprised by God or it wasn't.
All or nothing.
I believe God inspired the whole Bible and preserved it through time.
My faith is founded on the word of God. If God has not given me a sure foundation my faith is based on coruption.

 

[Jackson123]

WHO gave us scripture and WHO gave us traditions?

WHO should we follow?

Jesus give us scripture

 

[Jackson123]

That debate is still going today.

The catholic church hide the word from people (dark ages), and it was not until people that could access it stepped out and started to protest, that the scriptures began to be studied and read more freely.
But God had His people too.
The waldensies and remnant groups copied the scripture and gave it out at the risk of losing their life.

But like you said the bible was finished and set many years before. It was comprised by God or it wasn't.
All or nothing.
I believe God inspired the whole Bible and preserved it through time.
My faith is founded on the word of God. If God has not given me a sure foundation my faith is based on coruption.

Catholic hide scripture so if she lie no body know, no standard to test and compare