Saw this question somewhere, anyone know the answer?

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We know that God created water, and Mars, though. He created the heavens and the earth, and that is explicitly stated :)
How do we know God created water and mars scripture doesn’t explicitly say so?
 

Magenta

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How do we know God created water and mars scripture doesn’t explicitly say so?
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I do not have to ASSUME that includes water and Mars. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. :) Also John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
 
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I do not have to to ASSUME that includes water and Mars. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
It’s called faith in believing that God did create water and mars as like believing Thomas did stick his fingers in the holes.
 
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If you want to question rather Thomas did or did not because scripture doesn’t explicitly say he did, I guess it is what is I guess.
 

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It’s called faith in believing that God did create water and mars as like believing Thomas did stick his fingers in the holes.
Scripture does not explicitly state that Thomas actually touched Jesus' crucifixion wounds to ascertain it was really Him. It is just as reasonable (and maybe even more so) to assume from the text that Thomas believed simply from seeing, as Jesus actually said.

Scripture does explicitly state that Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
 

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If you want to question rather Thomas did or did not because scripture doesn’t explicitly say he did, I guess it is what is I guess.
I am not questioning anything but your refusal to admit it is an assumption to say he did.
 

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Please give example of spiritual resurrection
The spirit is the one that lives on, separate from the body. Flesh and bones goes back to the elements of earth from where they came from. The spirit is like treasure in an earthen vessel (2 Cor 4:7), the earthen vessel is broken so that the treasure is exposed and it is also said the earth and all its works (including flesh and bones) shall pass away.

Resurrection is ongoing now and blessed are they that take part in it now, in this church era. Because it is spiritual, it is not visible.

Matt 27:53 is a good example.
 
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I am not questioning anything but your refusal to admit it is an assumption to say he did.
Ok I will admit it I am wrong it is assumption and not a fact, though I guess there is only one who truly knows if someone stuck their finger in his side
 

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Ok I will admit it I am wrong it is assumption and not a fact, though I guess there is only one who truly knows if someone stuck their finger in his side
If he did, there were others present who likely would have witnessed the event, but whether he did or not was not recorded. It is possible that by Jesus saying "because you saw" included the touching, like seeing something tastes good can be by either tasting it yourself or witnessing others consume whatever with gusto, or tracking the sales etc, that is to say, there are other meanings to "see" or "saw" that could denote something other than just a visual... Any who :) Just being precise :geek: Thank you for putting up with me :D:giggle::D
 
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If he did, there were others present who likely would have witnessed the event, but whether he did or not was not recorded. It is possible that by Jesus saying "because you saw" included the touching, like seeing something tastes good can be by either tasting it yourself or witnessing others consume whatever with gusto, or tracking the sales etc, that is to say, there are other meanings to "see" or "saw" that could denote something other than just a visual... Any who :) Just being precise :geek: Thank you for putting up with me :D:giggle::D
Rgr that, its probably best just to say it’s an assumption because there are no witnesses around today to testify
 
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Be nice yet but that is wishful thinking
 
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Your questions sound like philosophy to me. I did not like a college philosophy class because it brought up an argument(s) to shatter a Christian's faith. Does the Bible mention coming to Jesus as a child? There is no argument. Christians live by faith. There is no doubt that God raised Jesus from the dead. Even Satan knows. Does the Bible state in three days, God raised Jesus from the dead? The Bible is true. God's word has power. Read Scripture. Renew your mind through Scripture reading. Does the Bible state "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God"? We either accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, or we don't. There is no argument. Does the Bible say "And every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord"? Stick to the Bible. Accept it as truth, the path, the light. "A lamp unto our feet"? Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. God gave Jesus the keys to Heaven and Hell. Jesus is Lord over all.
Disclaimer: Anything stated above can be searched on Google to come up with the King James version of Scripture that applies.
 

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Rgr that, its probably best just to say it’s an assumption because there are no witnesses around today to testify
I think it is a relatively reasonable assumption :) But also important to realize it is an assumption :D Remember Don Henley saying the Eagles would get back together again when hell freezes over? Yeah. They got back together after about fourteen years apart, but hell had not frozen over :giggle::giggle::giggle: Erm, or at least, I am assuming it did not haha :devilish:
 
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I think it is a relatively reasonable assumption :) But also important to realize it is an assumption :D Remember Don Henley saying the Eagles would get back together again when hell freezes over? Yeah. They got back together after about fourteen years apart, but hell had not frozen over :giggle::giggle::giggle:
It’s probably in the eyes of the beholder of such things.
 
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Christians believe by Faith. Romans 10:17 "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".
Romans 12:2 " ... be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, ...".
Renew your mind through reading of Scripture.

Psalm 119:105 "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path".
We must come to Jesus as a child; Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verify I say unto you, except ye be as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven".
Christians live by faith. There is no doubt that God raised Jesus from the dead.
We either accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, or we don't. There is no argument.

The Bible states: Romans 14:11 "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God".
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father".


Stick to the Bible. Accept it as truth.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. God gave Jesus the keys to Hell and death.. Jesus is Lord over all.

Forgive me Lord, if I paraphrased incorrectly.

The Bible states Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore; and have the keys of hell and death".
 
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John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" 2:21 But He spake of the temple of his body".
(I thought it was Jonah): Matthew 12:40 For just as Jonas was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, in like manner the Son of man shall be in the heart of the earth".
Mark 8:31 "And He began to teach that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again".
I Cor 15:4 "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures".
Luke 24:5-7 "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, "Why do you seek the living one among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again".
 

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"I do not believe that what we call "The Gospel of John" was written by John [internal and external evidences, won't go into here"]
What?....really? Why else would it be titled "The Gospel According To John"....? Not by John the Baptist, but by the Apostle John, the disciple "whom Jesus loved". I could be wrong but according to Matt. 4:21 "And going on from thence, He saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets."
that John the son of Zebedee is the Apostle John who wrote (divinely inspired, of course) The Gospel of John is the same, as that referred to as John the Divine, to distinguish him from John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin (Luke 1:36), whom Herod beheaded.
"Tradition" says it was "John [the Apostle]".

The text never names him [anywhere]; IOW, the text itself never says "John" is the writer.

Tradition says so (or says, this is what they think to be the case), but like I said, I have reasons why I do not believe this to be the case.

(Don't really want to get into all that in this thread, though. :) [and yes, I am aware of the arguments])