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Everlasting-Grace

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hornetguy said:
I would like to think that is true, but I am afraid that many people are taught that faith and belief are all that it takes. Then, you are "in".
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There is no faith without repentance.

Just because people claim they have faith does not mean they do.

Paul and James were both precise in this truth.
 
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hornetguy said:
Unfortunately, over the past 7+ years on this site, I have witnessed MANY people stating that they had not been baptized, and had no plans to be, because it "wasn't important".... that's what they were taught. I was saved by grace/faith/belief alone, and do not need to do any "works".... it's not necessary.
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can you pull up one of these posts? I would like to understand these people.

do they go to church. do they give, are they loving, to do they anythign God says?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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Lamar said:
Tell that to Peter.

Peter answered, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

Baptism is like that. It saves you now—not because it removes dirt from your body but because it is the mark of a good conscience toward God. Your salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1st Peter 3:21)

Or tell that to Ananias.

And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name! (Acts 22;16)

Your reasoning is but human conjecture. Theirs is scripture. I believe them.
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my friend,

I have shown you what this passage really says many times now

If you refuse to look for yourself. that is not on me.

God luck, when you meet Christ. I pray you do not tell him you deserve heaven because you let some man or woman immerse you in water
 
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Lamar said:
Acts 2:37-39
Young's Literal Translation
37 And having heard, they were pricked to the heart; they say also to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles, `What shall we do, men, brethren?'
38 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

Sounds like remission of sins is the purpose.

1st Peter 3:21
The water of baptism is like that. It saves you. It does not save you because it washes dirt from your bodies. But it saves you because you bring yourselves to God with a clean heart. It saves you because Jesus Christ has been raised from death.

I trust Peter over your human conjecture.
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you trust 2 passage that you have misinterpreted

and reject the many passages that refute your belief

I will stick with God. I will not replace his baptism with baptism in water.. which is blasphemy.. and since it is the HS that is being blasphemed.

well you get the picture (or do you?) Sadly I fear you do not
 
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Lamar said:
Water baptism is so important that Jesus was personally baptized....with H2O.
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Jesus had John the Baptist baptize Him in water to fulfill all righteousness.

We put on Christ's righteousness through faith in His shed righteous blood.

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And baptism does not require a qualifier, water is the normative.
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I realize that you and some others are of that opinion, but since baptism is not always by water, a qualifier is helpful.

It still remains that you read water into verses where it is not present, which violates your standard for others.

There is a word for that...
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I have shown you what this passage really says many times now
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um.... which passage? There are two of them.
Can you kindly "show" me again what the true meaning of either one/both really is?

And, again you go putting words in my mouth... it's getting tiresome. You really need to go back and re-read (for comprehension this time) what I have said about salvation being "earned" or "deserved"
What you keep attributing to me, wrongly, would be considered "slander" in a court of law. Please stop it.
 
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Magenta said:
esus had John the Baptist baptize Him in water to fulfill all righteousness.

We put on Christ's righteousness through faith in His shed righteous blood.
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We are to follow the example of Jesus. Jesus with a humble heart was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, are we to do less?
 
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hornetguy said:
um.... which passage? There are two of them.
Can you kindly "show" me again what the true meaning of either one/both really is?

And, again you go putting words in my mouth... it's getting tiresome. You really need to go back and re-read (for comprehension this time) what I have said about salvation being "earned" or "deserved"
What you keep attributing to me, wrongly, would be considered "slander" in a court of law. Please stop it.
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I was speaking to Lamar, Not you.

and you now accuse me of putting words in your mouth? That is ride my friend

He does not interpret acts 2 correctly. nor does he interpret 1 Peter 3 correctly. And myself and many others have shown him that numerous times..
 
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Lamar said:
We are to follow the example of Jesus. Jesus with a humble heart was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, are we to do less?
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Jesus was sinless. Have you followed that example?

Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights.. did you follow that example

Jesus raised people from the dead. did you follow that example?
 
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Lamar said:
We are to follow the example of Jesus. Jesus with a humble heart was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, are we to do less?
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How is your walking on water coming along?

Do you really not understand that we put on Jesus' righteousness through faith?


 
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Magenta said:
I realize that you and some others are of that opinion, but since baptism is not always by water, a qualifier is helpful.

It still remains that you read water into verses where it is not present, which violates your standard for others.

There is a word for that...
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Everlasting-Grace said:
He does not interpret acts 2 correctly. nor does he interpret 1 Peter 3 correctly. And myself and many others have shown him that numerous times..
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Your personal understanding of these verses being correct is not a given.

Your arrogance is showing.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Jesus was sinless. Have you followed that example?

Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights.. did you follow that example

Jesus raised people from the dead. did you follow that example?
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Your examples do not negate the need for the remission of sins. Nor the need for us to follow them.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I was speaking to Lamar, Not you.

and you now accuse me of putting words in your mouth? That is ride my friend

He does not interpret acts 2 correctly. nor does he interpret 1 Peter 3 correctly. And myself and many others have shown him that numerous times..
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And you expect that the eyes of the blind will be opened by your arguments?
Noble effort... I can't fault that.
 
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Lamar said:
Your personal understanding of these verses being correct is not a given.

Your arrogance is showing.
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My Arrogance?

I looked to the greek

you just take an english translation as gospel truth and refuse to look deeper.

The arrogant part is on you my friend.
 
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Lamar said:
Your examples do not negate the need for the remission of sins. Nor the need for us to follow them.
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I just used your own reasoning my friend.. don't ask us if we follow Jesus then when confronted talk as if you did not say it..

I recieved remission of sin, by the blood of Christ,. because i was baptized BY GOD into his death

Not because I was immersed in water by another sinner.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I was speaking to Lamar, Not you.

and you now accuse me of putting words in your mouth? That is ride my friend

He does not interpret acts 2 correctly. nor does he interpret 1 Peter 3 correctly. And myself and many others have shown him that numerous times..
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Apologies.... I thought that was my quote you were referencing... I just glanced at it. mea culpa
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
My Arrogance?

I looked to the greek

you just take an english translation as gospel truth and refuse to look deeper.

The arrogant part is on you my friend.
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The Greek states "so that your sins may be forgiven" not "because your sins are forgiven".

This is why you cannot find a single Bible version that states "because of" regardless of what language the Bible is printed in.

You are fighting the Greek and 2000 years of translations.

So yes. your arrogance is showing.
 
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Lamar said:
The Greek states "so that your sins may be forgiven" not "because your sins are forgiven".

This is why you cannot find a single Bible version that states "because of" regardless of what language the Bible is printed in.

You are fighting the Greek and 2000 years of translations.

So yes. your arrogance is showing.
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actually I showed you one

as usual you ignored it
and twide to twist it. and when I posted it in the thread so you could see for yourself. you ignored it and never mentioned it

So yes. Your pride is showing
 
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