SALVATION IN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE (7 YEAR TRIBULATION):
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I don't think you're understanding Valiant
the reason why there would have been no way for the Jew to build the temple would be because the believer in CHRIST would be warning his Jewish unbelieving brother that he shouldn't be building the temple
that it is against GOD's TRUTH for them to build a temple
the only way they are going to build the temple is to remove the hindrance:
their believing younger generational brothers...THE CHRISTIAN
when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, (temporarily)...there will be none to convict the world of sin.
then every man can go to his own house and do what he pleases
while HE is in the world, HE convicts the world of sin
when HW is (temporarily) taken out of the way, sin can have free reign during that (temporary) time when HE hides HIS FACE from Jacobs struggles
the reason why there would have been no way for the Jew to build the temple would be because the believer in CHRIST would be warning his Jewish unbelieving brother that he shouldn't be building the temple
that it is against GOD's TRUTH for them to build a temple
the only way they are going to build the temple is to remove the hindrance:
their believing younger generational brothers...THE CHRISTIAN
when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, (temporarily)...there will be none to convict the world of sin.
then every man can go to his own house and do what he pleases
while HE is in the world, HE convicts the world of sin
when HW is (temporarily) taken out of the way, sin can have free reign during that (temporary) time when HE hides HIS FACE from Jacobs struggles
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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
The resurrection of the saints,where all the saints that remain on earth after the three and one half years tribulation,will be caught up to be with Jesus,and then He will come back with all His saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Let no person deceive you by any means,for the resurrection will not happen until these things happen,which Paul is speaking of those on earth,for to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow a kingdom,that is all Gentile governments together,that acknowledges no God,and about spiritual evolution.
The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth.
A falling away first,the new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5,2 Timothy 4:2-4),that unifies the religions with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,that is based on spiritual evolution through nature.
The world operates by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,for the first three and one half years,along with the unified religious system.
The 7 years period will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East,and they say,Peace and safety,and the Gentile governments are together to try to achieve peace on earth,and the man of sin will be of the new age movement.
The ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace on earth,and the world turns to the man of sin to help the world have peace on earth.
The saints cannot be gethered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God,which happens at the midpoint of the 7 years,which he convinces the world he harnessed the power of nature,and achieved power.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Satan will possess a human and appear as the man of sin,the beast,to deceive all people who do not love God to follow him.
Satan is not able to have this much influence in the world until the time of the end when God allows the world their way for a certain amount of time,to cause those who do not love Him to rebel against Him,so He can end this sin business on earth.
In the past whenever a nation or kingdom got to out of hand,by being physically cruel,and perverting His ways on earth,extending them out,God would allow other nations,and kingdoms,to bring them down.
But at the last kingdom,the beast kingdom,God is going to allow them to have their way,and extend their falsehood throughout the world,for it is the time of the end,and the time to put down the wicked.
Satan could not influence in the past kingdoms,like the last kingdom,for he was withholden,but in the last kingdom,he gets his way among the wicked that was not done in the past.
The ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace,and the world turns to the man of sin,and the ten horns hand their power over to Him,and all who do not love God will follow him,now the saints can be gathered unto Christ,but they make war against all who hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior for the last three and one half years,then the resurrection happens.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The man of sin gets his power from Satan,and in other scriptures,he shall be mighty but not by his own power,and he causes witchcraft to prosper,and shall spread his abominations throughout the world,and shall cast the truth to the ground,and shall stamp upon it,and shall not honor the God of his fathers,but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces,and shall regard no god,but shall exalt himself above all.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is available to the world,and when the ten horn kingdom fails at obtaining peace,and do not turn to God,He gives the world the man of sin to rule over them,and the devils are cast to earth,which the Bible says,the earth had become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird,and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,are no longer available to the world.
The Bible says that Israel is protected from physical attack on her nation for the 7 years period,and God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,then they will be attacked after the 7 years period is over.
The time of Jacob's trouble might be the spiritual kingdom that is the time of their trouble,for Revelation 12 talks of a woman,Israel,and the beast goes to make war with the remnant of her seed,that keep the commandments of God,and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,but physical Israel is protected for the 7 years period from being attacked.
The resurrection of the saints,where all the saints that remain on earth after the three and one half years tribulation,will be caught up to be with Jesus,and then He will come back with all His saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Let no person deceive you by any means,for the resurrection will not happen until these things happen,which Paul is speaking of those on earth,for to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow a kingdom,that is all Gentile governments together,that acknowledges no God,and about spiritual evolution.
The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth.
A falling away first,the new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5,2 Timothy 4:2-4),that unifies the religions with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,that is based on spiritual evolution through nature.
The world operates by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,for the first three and one half years,along with the unified religious system.
The 7 years period will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East,and they say,Peace and safety,and the Gentile governments are together to try to achieve peace on earth,and the man of sin will be of the new age movement.
The ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace on earth,and the world turns to the man of sin to help the world have peace on earth.
The saints cannot be gethered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God,which happens at the midpoint of the 7 years,which he convinces the world he harnessed the power of nature,and achieved power.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Satan will possess a human and appear as the man of sin,the beast,to deceive all people who do not love God to follow him.
Satan is not able to have this much influence in the world until the time of the end when God allows the world their way for a certain amount of time,to cause those who do not love Him to rebel against Him,so He can end this sin business on earth.
In the past whenever a nation or kingdom got to out of hand,by being physically cruel,and perverting His ways on earth,extending them out,God would allow other nations,and kingdoms,to bring them down.
But at the last kingdom,the beast kingdom,God is going to allow them to have their way,and extend their falsehood throughout the world,for it is the time of the end,and the time to put down the wicked.
Satan could not influence in the past kingdoms,like the last kingdom,for he was withholden,but in the last kingdom,he gets his way among the wicked that was not done in the past.
The ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace,and the world turns to the man of sin,and the ten horns hand their power over to Him,and all who do not love God will follow him,now the saints can be gathered unto Christ,but they make war against all who hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior for the last three and one half years,then the resurrection happens.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The man of sin gets his power from Satan,and in other scriptures,he shall be mighty but not by his own power,and he causes witchcraft to prosper,and shall spread his abominations throughout the world,and shall cast the truth to the ground,and shall stamp upon it,and shall not honor the God of his fathers,but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces,and shall regard no god,but shall exalt himself above all.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is available to the world,and when the ten horn kingdom fails at obtaining peace,and do not turn to God,He gives the world the man of sin to rule over them,and the devils are cast to earth,which the Bible says,the earth had become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird,and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,are no longer available to the world.
The Bible says that Israel is protected from physical attack on her nation for the 7 years period,and God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,then they will be attacked after the 7 years period is over.
The time of Jacob's trouble might be the spiritual kingdom that is the time of their trouble,for Revelation 12 talks of a woman,Israel,and the beast goes to make war with the remnant of her seed,that keep the commandments of God,and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,but physical Israel is protected for the 7 years period from being attacked.
The Pre-time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ is found in the Bible. No dishonest manipulation being done here. Also, the Pre-time of Jacob's trouble was not started by John Derby. A welsh preacher Morgan Edwards (1722-1795), was also a supporter of a Pre-trib. Rapture. (Pre-time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ ).
Furthermore, In Matthew 24 and Mark 13 the church is not raptured, but rather elect Israel is raptured. And so a pre time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ is a trutb found and taught In the blessed holy Scriptures.
Furthermore, In Matthew 24 and Mark 13 the church is not raptured, but rather elect Israel is raptured. And so a pre time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ is a trutb found and taught In the blessed holy Scriptures.
When Jesus spoke the words recorded in Matt 24 and Mark 13 there were TWO kinds of Israelis, those who accepted Jesus as Savior and Jesus called them THE ELECT, and those who had rejected Jesus as Savior, and those He said would see Him no more until they said blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. At the time Jesus spoke those words the elect were the believers in Jesus Christ not national Israel, so why do you change the words of Jesus?