SALVATION IN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE (7 YEAR TRIBULATION):

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miknik5

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so many gospels...............
ONE GOSPEL

If one keeps their feet on that ONE FOUNDATION and their set above on HIM
who is faithful and true in all seasons rather than looking left and right at trouble and woes

he will do well


isaiah 8
 

miknik5

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Yep.
Nope.
Nope.

I have no idea though why the Church gets in a sweat about any of this.

Acts 7:48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
1 Corinthians 3:16

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
so you don't think the church will be warning ("getting in a sweat about it") their older Jewish brothers?
 

miknik5

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The church will be viewed as inflexible non confirming troublers
 
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Here is an interesting thought, no where in the bible does it tell us that there will be a seven year tribulation, the reign of the Antichrist is three and one half years long. The seven year idea has come about by the assumption that 69 of the 70 weeks described in Daniel have already happened and one 7 to go, and also where a HE confirms the covenant with many for one 7. The bible puts the emphasis on three and one half years, not seven years.
Yes no outward in regard to what the eyes see of rebuilding a temple, as if the kingdom could ever be on a corruptive creation. The tribulation began the last days began signified by the renting of the veil the signifying the useless of the stones that remained. The time of the promised reformation had come, the shadow and types and ceremonial laws in respect to Jewish flesh used in those parables had come the end many in respect to the antchrists were already there.

The Jews who did not have the Spirit of Christ(born again) dwelling in them eternally were set into confusion like at the Tower of Babel not having a outward flesh to relate with as if God was a man as us. This is the beginning of the tribulation again the reformation had come…it marks the last days we are in.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation Heb 9:8

The idea as to build up that which God has destroyed reminds of the verse in Hebrews 6 were one group is known for crucifying Christ over and over to public shame. What would be the purpose for rebuilding that which God has torn down and calls useless? How many demonstrations does it take to believe God?
 

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so you don't think the church will be warning ("getting in a sweat about it") their older Jewish brothers?
A work sweat, sure.

But the Church should not be confused about this.
 

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Yes no outward in regard to what the eyes see of rebuilding a temple, as if the kingdom could ever be on a corruptive creation. The tribulation began the last days began signified by the renting of the veil the signifying the useless of the stones that remained. The time of the promised reformation had come, the shadow and types and ceremonial laws in respect to Jewish flesh used in those parables had come the end many in respect to the antchrists were already there.

The Jews who did not have the Spirit of Christ(born again) dwelling in them eternally were set into confusion like at the Tower of Babel not having a outward flesh to relate with as if God was a man as us. This is the beginning of the tribulation again the reformation had come…it marks the last days we are in.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation Heb 9:8

The idea as to build up that which God has destroyed reminds of the verse in Hebrews 6 were one group is known for crucifying Christ over and over to public shame. What would be the purpose for rebuilding that which God has torn down and calls useless? How many demonstrations does it take to believe God?
Exactly. Well put, and on to Chp 10

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[e] says the Lord.[f] And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”[g]31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Surely cannot be hard to understand. Any new sacrificial system makes Jesus' blood the same as heifer's blood.
 

miknik5

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A work sweat, sure.

But the Church should not be confused about this.
They're not. Which is why they will be very vocal to their older Jewish unbelieving. warning them
that building an earthly temple is a mistake

and because of their warnings they will be killed for opening their mouths appearing to be against GOD's work when in truth it is their ignorant Jewish unbelieving brother who is


I believe your "work sweat" is different understanding

It's their love for their older ignorant brother that will drive their "getting in a sweat" over the rebuilding of the temple, and with that, the abominable reinstating of animal sacrifices
 
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miknik5

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There would have been no way for the Jew to have built an earthly temple while the HOLY SPIRIT is in the world for it is HIS SPIRIT that convicts the world of sin.

Once HE is removed, and with HIM, those in HIM, no one will be convicting the world of sin and evil wil have free reign
 

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They're not. Which is why they will be very vocal to their older Jewish unbelieving. warning them
that building an earthly temple is a mistake

and because of their warnings they will be killed for opening their mouths appearing to be against GOD's work when in truth it is their ignorant Jewish unbelieving brother who is


I believe your "work sweat" is different understanding

It's their love for their older ignorant brother that will drive their "getting in a sweat" over the rebuilding of the temple, and with that, the abominable reinstating of animal sacrifices
I hope so, but a lot of Christians regard Israel as the Holy Land, and like to do pilgrimages etc. Will some be sucked into the vortex of dead practices? Most likely. They'll probably do heifer's hooves in alamould as souvenirs.

Personally I reckon seeing some cranky old bearded men doing 3000 year old re-enactments will probably trip the vast majority of Jews to go down the local church and have a nice sing song and communion.
 

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The constraining factor is the ownership of the Temple Mount. Since Rome gutted it in AD70, they've not had a proper foothold there.
 

miknik5

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I hope so, but a lot of Christians regard Israel as the Holy Land, and like to do pilgrimages etc. Will some be sucked into the vortex of dead practices? Most likely. They'll probably do heifer's hooves in alamould as souvenirs.

Personally I reckon seeing some cranky old bearded men doing 3000 year old re-enactments will probably trip the vast majority of Jews to go down the local church and have a nice sing song and communion.

Yes there are some who claim to be "Christians" who support Israel's plan to rebuild the temple

and these supposed "Christians " don't know as they should know


rheu so lip service to HOS NAME but don't understand that their support of building a temple is a lie

and when they should be warning their Jewish brothers instead they support them

they make manifest that they do not even understand salvation IN CHRIST

THE REFUGE which GOD has provided
 
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miknik5

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Our work was to REMAIN IN HIM and not "go out" from the (city of) REFUGE which GOD has provided us in
HIS SON

But we were also supposed to call all those outside to enter in

and instead they are left outside THE DOOR and no one warns them?
 

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FIXING SOME TYPOS OF MY LAST POST

Yes there are some who claim to be "Christians" who support Israel's plan to rebuild the temple

and these supposed "Christians " don't know as they should know


They do outward lip service professing HIS NAME but don't understand that their support of building a temple is a contradiction to THE TRUTH

and when they should be warning their Jewish brothers instead they support them in rebuilding a temple that is temporal

By this they already make manifest that they do not even understand salvation IN CHRIST and THE REFUGE which GOD has already provided us IN HIS SON
 

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There would have been no way for the Jew to have built an earthly temple while the HOLY SPIRIT is in the world for it is HIS SPIRIT that convicts the world of sin.
Why should the Jews bother about that?

Once HE is removed, and with HIM, those in HIM, no one will be convicting the world of sin and evil wil have free reign
Thank God the Holy Spirit will never be removed. He was present in the OT He is present in the New. Wherever there are God's people there is the Holy Spirit.
 

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The constraining factor is the ownership of the Temple Mount. Since Rome gutted it in AD70, they've not had a proper foothold there.
And the covenant per Daniel that will be made
what do you think it will be
 

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Our work was to REMAIN IN HIM and not "go out" from the (city of) REFUGE which GOD has provided us in
HIS SON

But we were also supposed to call all those outside to enter in

and instead they are left outside THE DOOR and no one warns them?
I've tried ministering to the Jews. They slam the door in your face.
I'll carry on trying, but they are a special case, no doubt about it.
I thank God that my family was rescued from it by the good old Victorian Salvation Army
 

miknik5

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Theyre already preparing specs for the temple

and all this by a people who had GOD's WORD and prophecies yet overlook them


namely Haggai 2, Ezra 3 and Zechariah 4
 

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And the covenant per Daniel that will be made
what do you think it will be
Galatians 3:12
Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
Luke 18:8
I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

God will find some kind of legalism on the Temple Mount when he returns - Noahide Laws maybe.
 

miknik5

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Galatians 3:12
Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
Luke 18:8
I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

God will find some kind of legalism on the Temple Mount when he returns - Noahide Laws maybe.
GOD will mark those who will understand

but the "violent men of the covenant" who do not know their GOD will not understand and will do wickedly against the law things that should not be done. All the while thinking themselves in service to GOD

following the legal outward check list of laws but not the inward workings of the spirit of the law because they do not have THE SPIRIT


GOD will send out the craftsmen to "go and put a mark on the foreheads of all those who are appalled by these atrocities"