Sabbath

[MalikB]

neither have I. I did not say Sabbatarian agenda movement. I plainly said Sabbatarian agenda...which, since you are busy exercising it right now in this thread, is plain to see. you wish to make converts and create the lie that those who do not worship on your Sabbath timeline, are not following the law

that's true. we are not following the law because no one will be declared righteous by following the law



any time a new member starts talking like you or similar, I will check their profile. It often explains the contradiction between joining a Christian forum and then doing your best to demolish Christianity. you have more than one choice for the question that asks if you are a Christian....you didn't put Christian so that means you are not a Christian but have decided to come here and tell all the Christians that you are right and we are wrong. I think that covers my reasons for checking on your bio very well

You have free will, believe as u do... The things I've been saying are not for you. It is for people that can have an open minded discussion on what they believe and the evidence for those beliefs, and are willing to put truth above beliefs and their emotions.

 

[MalikB]

only up to the book of Acts though it would seem, but then following the law and adding to it, Jesus said, would not be following Him at all

and no, that is not my definition of what a Christian is

you have made up your own religion that is not supported by the Bible

Believe as u choose

 

[SophieT]

He kept the sabbath, feast days, etc.

What is the specific Paul verse you are referring to?

and then he was crucified, gave up His life and rose again from the dead on the third day...which was not the Sabbath

now, He says that whosoever believes in Him had eternal life. He does not quote the law

the law is no longer our taskmaster

Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath so He can provide a way of salvation that does not include your lawkeeping

you preach at people on a Christian site and think that somehow they will turn to your false gospel?

 

[MalikB]

I asked you HOW not WHAT.

can you please answer the questions. What was the power and motivation for jesus to do what he did.

Jesus himself told us. It was mentioned to you also. Can you recall?






What verse does Paul say, What is the purpose of the law?

This is going nowhere... answering questions with questions is not productive

 

[SophieT]

You have free will, believe as u do... The things I've been saying are not for you. It is for people that can have an open minded discussion on what they believe and the evidence for those beliefs, and are willing to put truth above beliefs and their emotions.

actually, a Christian gives their will to God

I have made the choice to follow Christ and He submitted to the Father

you do not have the freedom to change the gospel. Paul says you under a curse if you do that

there is no discussion about the gospel with you because you do not believe the gospel.. there is one way and Jesus is that way

the law was only a shadow but now we have what is real. your gospel is not the gospel at all and you present a weak and incapable Christ who needs help in your estimation

 

[MalikB]

and then he was crucified, gave up His life and rose again from the dead on the third day...which was not the Sabbath

now, He says that whosoever believes in Him had eternal life. He does not quote the law

the law is no longer our taskmaster

Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath so He can provide a way of salvation that does not include your lawkeeping

you preach at people on a Christian site and think that somehow they will turn to your false gospel?

Although they aren't the majority, there are many ppl that are much more openminded.... even on this very thread. As long as you continue to look at the writings through a modern westerners lens, you will not understand. The word "belief" as well as others did not mean the same to them as it does to you. This is a "feeling" based society.

 

[SophieT]

This is going nowhere... answering questions with questions is not productive

welcome to CHRISTIAN chat

 

[MalikB]

welcome to CHRISTIAN chat

Its only a few so far... Christians that are close minded

 

[SophieT]

Although they aren't the majority, there are many ppl that are much more openminded.... even on this very thread. As long as you continue to look at the writings through a modern westerners lens, you will not understand. The word "belief" as well as others did not mean the same to them as it does to you. This is a "feeling" based society.

if they are a Christian, they do not accept what you say. I know there are others here who believe as you do. they do not accept the gospel either.

you have no clue what lens I look at the Bible through. no idea at all. you have no idea what I have studied or how I think

we are getting a pretty good picture of you though

 

[MalikB]

if they are a Christian, they do not accept what you say. I know there are others here who believe as you do. they do not accept the gospel either.

you have no clue what lens I look at the Bible through. no idea at all. you have no idea what I have studied or how I think

we are getting a pretty good picture of you though

I'm only going based off of what you've used independently of works.... "belief" and "faith".

 

[SophieT]

judeaizer play book 101=

try to make Paul contradict Jesus, and completely ignore the fact that Paul was a envoy to the gentiles, who were not ever under the Law...

there is not one Judaizer that can continue to preach as they do without scoffing at Paul

yet, Jesus chose Paul personally and sent him to the Gentiles

Paul is the backbone of the New Testament so in order for them to mislead people with their law keeping, they must say Paul is wrong or we don't understand him or whatever. but you most likely know that since it is as you say, straight from their Judaizer playbook

 

[SophieT]

I'm only going based off of what you've used independently of works.... "belief" and "faith".

maybe you should stop then since it has not helped you so far

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is going nowhere... answering questions with questions is not productive

You never answered my question to begin with, I answered yours.. Yes he obeyed those commands. Then I asked how.

I asked you HOW Jesus obeyed those commands. What was his motivation.

Whats wrong. You don;t know
I have been explaining it since I first started talking to you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Although they aren't the majority, there are many ppl that are much more openminded.... even on this very thread. As long as you continue to look at the writings through a modern westerners lens, you will not understand. The word "belief" as well as others did not mean the same to them as it does to you. This is a "feeling" based society.

Before you start to judge her as closed minded. Look in the mirror my friend. Just because we do not agree wiht you does not mean we are closed minded. And the same could be said of you

 

[rstrats]

you brought up Calvin.

Only to show his quote that the subject of verses 5-6 proves that the Sabbath is not included.

 

[SophieT]

Only to show his quote that the subject of verses 5-6 proves that the Sabbath is not included. I has nothing to do with whether or not the Sabbath is still in effect.

that is not the question though. the question is what Romans 14 is about

you cannot rip a chapter out of the entire letter and then say that is doctrine about food

that's just nonsense. Romans is a wonderful book that thoroughly explains why a believer in Christ is no longer constrained by the law, but is now free in Christ

we are not free to sin...we are free from condemnation. the law condemns...Jesus has taken upon Himself our sins so that we may have His righteousness and freedom from slavery both to the law and the sin that the law points at

 

[MalikB]

Before you start to judge her as closed minded. Look in the mirror my friend. Just because we do not agree wiht you does not mean we are closed minded. And the same could be said of you

I've invited both of you more than once to have a discussion about any specific verse that you believe supports lawless theology. No one gave me one. I also asked for the interpretation of Matthew 5:18 and 19.... specifically how a place in heaven is determined by laws done and taught. Noone did that either. If we cant honestly and openly discuss specific verses in scripture, there is nowhere to go from there.

 

[MalikB]

that is not the question though. the question is what Romans 14 is about

you cannot rip a chapter out of the entire letter and then say that is doctrine about food

that's just nonsense. Romans is a wonderful book that thoroughly explains why a believer in Christ is no longer constrained by the law, but is now free in Christ

we are not free to sin...we are free from condemnation. the law condemns...Jesus has taken upon Himself our sins so that we may have His righteousness and freedom from slavery both to the law and the sin that the law points at

The law does not condemn... sin does. Keep the law = blessings, break the law (sin) = curses.... Its that simple

 

[MalikB]

You never answered my question to begin with, I answered yours.. Yes he obeyed those commands. Then I asked how.

I asked you HOW Jesus obeyed those commands. What was his motivation.

Whats wrong. You don;t know
I have been explaining it since I first started talking to you

How did he keep the sabbath? by not working, by following exodus 20:8-11. His motivation was his love, respect, honor for his Father.

Do you believe he was sinless? If so that means he kept Torah. He did not break laws.

 

[MalikB]

actually, a Christian gives their will to God

I have made the choice to follow Christ and He submitted to the Father

you do not have the freedom to change the gospel. Paul says you under a curse if you do that

there is no discussion about the gospel with you because you do not believe the gospel.. there is one way and Jesus is that way

the law was only a shadow but now we have what is real. your gospel is not the gospel at all and you present a weak and incapable Christ who needs help in your estimation

Not true... I just dont believe your interpretation of gospel.