Retire the Ten Commandments?

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pressed for time right now, so i'll do the super easy debunk- who wrote Revelations? John the beloved.

who wrote the letter of 1st John? same guy.

So why dont ya believe what John says?

DO YOU KNOW GOD
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

DO YOU LOVE GOD
1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

WANT TO BE ONE OF GODS SAINTS
REV.14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and the faith of Jesus

WANT TO ENTER THE CITY - THE 1000yr PERIOD OF REST
REV.22 [14] Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

IS GODS SABBATH COMMANDMENT GRIEVOUS TO YOU...........
1JOHN.5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.[3] For this is the love of God, that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS.

.....Sure does sound that way

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You just gave a bunch of descriptive passages.

Can you give some prescriptive?

In fact. According to the law. What had to be done for those who bork the law in order for restoration?

 

[gb9]

So why dont ya believe what John says?

DO YOU KNOW GOD
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

DO YOU LOVE GOD
1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

WANT TO BE ONE OF GODS SAINTS
REV.14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and the faith of Jesus

WANT TO ENTER THE CITY - THE 1000yr PERIOD OF REST
REV.22 [14] Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

IS GODS SABBATH COMMANDMENT GRIEVOUS TO YOU...........
1JOHN.5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.[3] For this is the love of God, that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS.

.....Sure does sound that way

no, no issue with Sabbath keeping. if anyone chooses to take their day of rest, as God said to rest one day a week, on twilight fri-twlight sat., that is fine.

but, when judeaizers like you tell these bald-face lies that one HAS to keep the Sabbath , as God told Israel ( only ) at Sinai, then I have a massive grievance against that.

and, I told you, John said that the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not " keep the Sabbath"

so, if you quote John for command keeping, do not be dishonest about what He said the commands are.

 

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You just gave a bunch of descriptive passages.

Can you give some prescriptive?

In fact. According to the law. What had to be done for those who bork the law in order for restoration?

HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

It was the blood of bulls and goats. The meat and drink offerings {Col.2-16}. Jesus fulfilled those laws. They were the shadow of Christ and did not take away their sins.

John 1:16-17 (KJV)
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

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no, no issue with Sabbath keeping. if anyone chooses to take their day of rest, as God said to rest one day a week, on twilight fri-twlight sat., that is fine.

but, when judeaizers like you tell these bald-face lies that one HAS to keep the Sabbath , as God told Israel ( only ) at Sinai, then I have a massive grievance against that.

and, I told you, John said that the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not " keep the Sabbath"

so, if you quote John for command keeping, do not be dishonest about what He said the commands are.

The Bible says...keep the day holy...what problem do you have with that command?

Is this another new, new age religion interpretation of scripture...appearing since the 1960's?
Please show scripture that says we do not have to keep G-d's command?,

 

[preston39]

The Bible says...keep the day holy...what problem do you have with that command?

Is this another new, new age religion interpretation of scripture...appearing since the 1960's? End time deceptions...it appears.
Please show scripture that says we do not have to keep G-d's command?

 

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no, no issue with Sabbath keeping. if anyone chooses to take their day of rest, as God said to rest one day a week, on twilight fri-twlight sat., that is fine.

but, when judeaizers like you tell these bald-face lies that one HAS to keep the Sabbath , as God told Israel ( only ) at Sinai, then I have a massive grievance against that.

and, I told you, John said that the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not " keep the Sabbath"

so, if you quote John for command keeping, do not be dishonest about what He said the commands are.

Ive met a few like you who cant even say the word commandments. Very sad.

PSALM 78 [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. [2] I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN A PARABLE: I will utter dark sayings of old: [3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. [4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. [5] For HE ESTABLISHED A TESTIMONY IN JACOB, AND APPOINTED A LAW IN ISRAEL, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: [6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: [7] THAT THEY MIGHT SET THEIR HOPE IN GOD, AND NOT FORGET THE WORKS OF GOD, BUT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:

Who opened His mouth in a parable?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

It was the blood of bulls and goats. The meat and drink offerings {Col.2-16}. Jesus fulfilled those laws. They were the shadow of Christ and did not take away their sins.

John 1:16-17 (KJV)
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Correct

So if ALL PEOPLE were required to have sacrifice because NO ONE could keep the law

Why are you trying to push law keeping? The jews could not keep it. What makes you think you can? Did Not jesus die once, and is seated at the right hand of God as high priest?

As paul said, The law was given as a TUTOR to lead us to christ.. Once it has accomplished that mission in our lives. What use does it have? To continue to condemn us, to continue to show us we are cursed? Is not Gods grace sufficient?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ive met a few like you who cant even say the word commandments. Very sad.

no, no issue with Sabbath keeping. if anyone chooses to take their day of rest, as God said to rest one day a week, on twilight fri-twlight sat., that is fine.

but, when judeaizers like you tell these bald-face lies that one HAS to keep the Sabbath , as God told Israel ( only ) at Sinai, then I have a massive grievance against that.

and, I told you, John said that the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not " keep the Sabbath"

so, if you quote John for command keeping, do not be dishonest about what He said the commands are.

Command, Commandment, same difference. Are you ready to confess your sin?

 

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when judeaizers like you tell these bald-face lies that one HAS to keep the Sabbath , as God told Israel ( only ) at Sinai, then I have a massive grievance against that.

What you call lies.... i call scripture

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope.

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

 

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Are you ready to confess your sin?

To you? I think not

 

[gb9]

What you call lies.... i call scripture

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope.

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

this is almost laughable.

you quoted Ephesians 2. well, if you read the entire thing, you will see in v.9, Paul states we are saved by grace , through faith , for good works. if one has to keep the jewish Sabbath, then that is not salvation by grace, is it??

and, in v.15, Paul states that Jesus set aside in His flesh the Law with it's commands and regulations. and then in v.16, as far as jews and gentiles, Paul states that both are reconciled through the Cross. not the jewish Sabbath .


and , as far as your " command " vs. Commandment " comment to me earlier, they are both under the same greek word, so their is no difference .


this was a spectacular fail for you , as the very chapter of Ephesians speaks AGAINST salvation by works, calls the Law the enmity.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To you? I think not

Yet God tells us to confess our sins to others. Especially the ones you have sinned against.

So you want to push things from Scripture. . The same scripture which calls bearing false witness a lie. But you will not follow it. Thats good to know

 

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Yet God tells us to confess our sins to others.

Glad you posted this. You pointed out that we are to confess our sin.

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

By saying so, you say that we are still to observe the law for sin is the transgression of that law.

 

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this is almost laughable.

you quoted Ephesians 2. well, if you read the entire thing, you will see in v.9, Paul states we are saved by grace , through faith , for good works. if one has to keep the jewish Sabbath, then that is not salvation by grace, is it??

JOHN 1 [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) FULL OF GRACE and truth.

This scripture says Jesus was full of grace. Did He keep the law? The sabbath

 

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this was a spectacular fail for you , as the very chapter of Ephesians speaks AGAINST salvation by works, calls the Law the enmity.

Not a fail at all for me. You can never be saved by your works. We all are as filthy rags and come up short. Youre saved by the free gift of grace. But to whom is this free gift givin? Those who hear His voice? Those who dont?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Glad you posted this. You pointed out that we are to confess our sin.

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

By saying so, you say that we are still to observe the law for sin is the transgression of that law.

Lol

The law showed me what sin was 40 years ago.

If I still need the law to tell me what sin is, I am in serious trouble, as are you!

once again, Can you explain how the moral code (which condemns) helps you to spiritual maturity?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

JOHN 1 [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) FULL OF GRACE and truth.

This scripture says Jesus was full of grace. Did He keep the law? The sabbath

Full of grace.

Do you understand what that means?

Did Jesus follow Jewish Law? Of course he did, he was A JEW? and thus BOUND by JEWISH LAW.

 

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Do you hear His voice?

GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

So why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"

DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it

ZEPHANIAH 3 [1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city! [2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS; her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. [4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.

Youll find those lions and wolves mentioned in the new covenant scriptures. The bad guys

JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.

HEBREWS 4 [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

Was this prophecied to happen?

DEUTERONOMY 4 [26] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. [27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. [28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. [29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. [30] When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee, even in THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be OBEDIENT UNTO HIS VOICE; [31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Yup

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not a fail at all for me. You can never be saved by your works. We all are as filthy rags and come up short. Youre saved by the free gift of grace. But to whom is this free gift givin? Those who hear His voice? Those who dont?

If it is free. Why or how can it be earned?