Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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FreeGrace2 said:
So you apparently believe that the Bible is internally contradicted then.
You're really not getting any of this, I see.
If there is even 1 verse that plainly teaches eternal security, then there CAN'T be any verses that teach loss of salvation.
And John 10:28 is FAR MORE clear and direct in what it says than ANY of the verses that you can provide.
It couldn't be any more simple.
But you've indicated that there are both kinds of verses. It is your opinion that is conflicted.
So you apparently believe that the Bible is internally contradicted then.
You're really not getting any of this, I see.
If there is even 1 verse that plainly teaches eternal security, then there CAN'T be any verses that teach loss of salvation.
And John 10:28 is FAR MORE clear and direct in what it says than ANY of the verses that you can provide.
It couldn't be any more simple.
But you've indicated that there are both kinds of verses. It is your opinion that is conflicted.
FreeGrace2 said:
Where does Jesus say, "if you quit believing in Me, I'll quit saving you"?
That was my question. Your post ignored that question and asked a question.
So I responded with:
"I asked you a question. Are you capable of an answer, or are you just going to continue to ignore my questions and keep asking yours?"
See above. Please answer.
Where does Jesus say, "if you quit believing in Me, I'll quit saving you"?
That was my question. Your post ignored that question and asked a question.
So I responded with:
"I asked you a question. Are you capable of an answer, or are you just going to continue to ignore my questions and keep asking yours?"
See above. Please answer.
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FreeGrace2 said:
OK, now you are out and out admitting that salvation can be by works.
NO WHERE in the Bible will you find that unbiblical idea.
Eph 2:8,9 is clear; salvation is by grace through faith, and not of works.
You are in conflict with Scripture on several levels.
I'm glad you finally admitted your unbiblical view that salvation can be by works.
As to your question, NO, of course Jesus didn't contradict Himself. And what you think Matt 25:34-36 says ISN'T what He said. You are not reading the passage correctly.
Not only have I read it, I'll quote it:
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
Where does this passage say that Jesus saves those who do this? You are really taking liberties with the verses you read.
Jesus is describing what saved people were doing.
There is nothing here about salvation by works. No wonder you are so confused. You are reading verses very incorrectly.
OK, now you are out and out admitting that salvation can be by works.
NO WHERE in the Bible will you find that unbiblical idea.
Eph 2:8,9 is clear; salvation is by grace through faith, and not of works.
You are in conflict with Scripture on several levels.
I'm glad you finally admitted your unbiblical view that salvation can be by works.
As to your question, NO, of course Jesus didn't contradict Himself. And what you think Matt 25:34-36 says ISN'T what He said. You are not reading the passage correctly.
Not only have I read it, I'll quote it:
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
Where does this passage say that Jesus saves those who do this? You are really taking liberties with the verses you read.
Jesus is describing what saved people were doing.
There is nothing here about salvation by works. No wonder you are so confused. You are reading verses very incorrectly.
Man has been interpreting what God means to say for generations.
He saves us. And we imagine it is thus required we in turn reiterate he is God. Else he'll let us to suffer because we have not done that enough.
God leads us from within to serve his will on earth.
Will they know us by our love?
Or by our apathy.
He saves us. And we imagine it is thus required we in turn reiterate he is God. Else he'll let us to suffer because we have not done that enough.
God leads us from within to serve his will on earth.
Will they know us by our love?
Or by our apathy.
Is true. There are many kinds of fruit in his garden.
Some healthy,some rotted from the core.
So too there are serpents.
God made man what he is.
All is as God wills. Because we are a reflection of his many faces, many sides, since we are made in his image and likeness.When all is of God, we are thus challenged to example by the leading of our God given nature a side.
It is one thing to argue what meaning has that which is written by men long turned to dust.
It is quite another to live the texture of the word that is in all of us.
Some healthy,some rotted from the core.
So too there are serpents.
God made man what he is.
All is as God wills. Because we are a reflection of his many faces, many sides, since we are made in his image and likeness.When all is of God, we are thus challenged to example by the leading of our God given nature a side.
It is one thing to argue what meaning has that which is written by men long turned to dust.
It is quite another to live the texture of the word that is in all of us.
Yes Jesus saved me while in my sins.
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
(Eph 2:5)
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
(Eph 2:5)
From Ephesians 2:4-7
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One set of laws are from the old covenant and the other set are from the new covenant. One set you need to memorize. The other set are delivered through the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant which I will make with them After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws upon their hearts, And write them on their mind.
Which set of commandments has God written in our hearts?
Remember that this promise was made for a future era, a different covenant, based on a covenant of divine blood.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
What else would Christ write into our hearts.
Thou shall not covet your neighbors oxen?
You have got to be kidding.
You are under grace or you are under the written law, you can't be under both.
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant which I will make with them After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws upon their hearts, And write them on their mind.
Which set of commandments has God written in our hearts?
Remember that this promise was made for a future era, a different covenant, based on a covenant of divine blood.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
What else would Christ write into our hearts.
Thou shall not covet your neighbors oxen?
You have got to be kidding.
You are under grace or you are under the written law, you can't be under both.
Which "written law"? The one written in our hearts?
Jesus said if we love him we will keep his commands.
If we covet our neighbors new car today it is just as wrong as coveting his oxen centuries ago. Or even today in some parts of the world.
Why are there churches that presume to teach salvation means there are no more rules for right conduct because everything is forgiven , under grace, all the time.
How wrong they are.
Jesus said if we love him we will keep his commands.
If we covet our neighbors new car today it is just as wrong as coveting his oxen centuries ago. Or even today in some parts of the world.
Why are there churches that presume to teach salvation means there are no more rules for right conduct because everything is forgiven , under grace, all the time.
How wrong they are.
Interesting how a gospel based on the gospels generates a works based salvation.
Where as a gospel based on Paul's letters generates a faith based salvation.
Add some further complexity, Jesus promoted the law and magnified the law.
So the end result is a massive gospel, faith, law, legal works, good works, are all required for salvation.
Mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Where as a gospel based on Paul's letters generates a faith based salvation.
Add some further complexity, Jesus promoted the law and magnified the law.
So the end result is a massive gospel, faith, law, legal works, good works, are all required for salvation.
Mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.