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I thought you were working on your patience , lol.
We have established at the beginning stages of the Salvation journey , we haven't received the Spirit of Christ , so Christ , His Word , and the promises in His word are not ours yet .
Are you saying in this specific state you would reach into God's Word ( that isn't ours yet ) and claim a promise of God ( that aren't ours to claim yet either ) ?
We have established at the beginning stages of the Salvation journey , we haven't received the Spirit of Christ , so Christ , His Word , and the promises in His word are not ours yet .
Are you saying in this specific state you would reach into God's Word ( that isn't ours yet ) and claim a promise of God ( that aren't ours to claim yet either ) ?
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I'm not sure if receiving the Spirit of Christ is the same as being adopted by the Father in Romans 9; but if one wishes to be adopted into the family of God, according to 2 Corinthians 6:17-18 it looks like we need to leave our worldly goods and lifestyle behind us.
As most of us never attain this level of discipleship, I then think that to receive the Spirit of Christ may not be as demanding.
As most of us never attain this level of discipleship, I then think that to receive the Spirit of Christ may not be as demanding.
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Yes , recieving the Spirit of Christ is being finally adopted by the Father . And it happens the same way, " by Faith ".
Salvation is by Grace , through Faith .
Luigi , I don't think you realize how close you are to the truth .
At this point of the Salvation journey , when we have yet to receive the Spirit of Christ , and as such Christ , His Word , and His promises are not ours yet , how does one move forward in the process without violating God and His Word ?
The answer is simple , " by Faith " ! But explaining this is a little more difficult .
Did you know that the Greek has two words for Faith ? The noun " pistis " and the corresponding verb " pisteuo " Did you also know. , That pistis is where we get our English word , the noun , " Faith " , and the corresponding verb " pisteuo" could not be translated into the English language , because the English language has no verb form of the noun Faith .
Here is the exact definition of " pisteuo " from the Vines Greek dictionary . " A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."
This is the third step , but is done outside of God and His Word . This first act of faithing or pisteuo is simply done to be accepted as genuone by Christ . Still no Spirit of Christ yet , and Christ , His Word , and promises there in are not ours yet either .
If Christ deems our surrendered life genuine , we move forward to step 4 , any thoughts on what that would be ?
Salvation is by Grace , through Faith .
Luigi , I don't think you realize how close you are to the truth .
At this point of the Salvation journey , when we have yet to receive the Spirit of Christ , and as such Christ , His Word , and His promises are not ours yet , how does one move forward in the process without violating God and His Word ?
The answer is simple , " by Faith " ! But explaining this is a little more difficult .
Did you know that the Greek has two words for Faith ? The noun " pistis " and the corresponding verb " pisteuo " Did you also know. , That pistis is where we get our English word , the noun , " Faith " , and the corresponding verb " pisteuo" could not be translated into the English language , because the English language has no verb form of the noun Faith .
Here is the exact definition of " pisteuo " from the Vines Greek dictionary . " A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."
This is the third step , but is done outside of God and His Word . This first act of faithing or pisteuo is simply done to be accepted as genuone by Christ . Still no Spirit of Christ yet , and Christ , His Word , and promises there in are not ours yet either .
If Christ deems our surrendered life genuine , we move forward to step 4 , any thoughts on what that would be ?
I would guess step 4 being our adoption as Gods children where the promises of God to them who believe on Christ apply, able to do the miracles and greater miracles that those the Lord did; our being caught up spiritually with Christ.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
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Because the English language doesn't have a word to translate pisteuo , the verb form of Faith , the translators had to chose a word to translate it . They chose the words believe , believer , and believing . The words the English language should have had available to the translators are ,faithe , faither , and faithing .
Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT . Pisteuo is a specific act , based upon a specific belief , sustained by a specific confidence . Believing is only a part of pisteuo , taken on its own is error .
Pisteuo is two specific acts , and the object of those acts are Christ , a real living person , not His Word , especially in the beginning stages of the Salvation process .
Again , pisteuo is , " a personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . " The surrendered life is made , and our daily decisions must support the fact our lives are nolonger ours , but His now .
The words believe , believer , and believing are mistranslations . I started this topic with the purpose of showing you all how " believing " in God's Word can't start the relationship with Christ . His word is not the object of our Faith and faithing , it has to be Christ HIMSELF !
The next step (4) will show that if the Spirit of Christ was given at the beginning of the Salvation journey , 3 out of the 4 Spirit filled people will fail and lose their reward .
Any questions on step 3 ?
Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT . Pisteuo is a specific act , based upon a specific belief , sustained by a specific confidence . Believing is only a part of pisteuo , taken on its own is error .
Pisteuo is two specific acts , and the object of those acts are Christ , a real living person , not His Word , especially in the beginning stages of the Salvation process .
Again , pisteuo is , " a personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . " The surrendered life is made , and our daily decisions must support the fact our lives are nolonger ours , but His now .
The words believe , believer , and believing are mistranslations . I started this topic with the purpose of showing you all how " believing " in God's Word can't start the relationship with Christ . His word is not the object of our Faith and faithing , it has to be Christ HIMSELF !
The next step (4) will show that if the Spirit of Christ was given at the beginning of the Salvation journey , 3 out of the 4 Spirit filled people will fail and lose their reward .
Any questions on step 3 ?