Rapture

[Blain]

The great apocalyse is NOT God's wrath. It's satan's wrath against us. God's people will face that.

I think the reason why God allowed the holocaust to happen during WW2 is to show us a preview of what will happen to his spiritual children/people. Like with the Jews, satan is going to try to kill off as many of God's people either by execution or by making them break faith and take his mark. But the fact that Jews have survived AND had their nation of Israel restored is proof that satan's efforts to completely annihilate us will fail in the last days too.

I don't go much by dreams either my own or other's. Just stick with what the Bible says and it will become plain what the scripture say when pre-trib rapture doesn't happen and you're still here for the great apocalyse. Just don't panic - cling close to Jesus who will help you to endure it all to the end.


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ok lets go by what the scriptures say then again I find this one to be interesting 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

The point is not by whose wrath we are to be saved from it is the fact that we are to be saved from it to begin with. not to mention the parable of the ten virgins if you didn't know it is actually an anaology of the wedding and how the wedding works with the jews is that the groom comes unannounced like a thief in the night to collect his bride who waits eagerly and with graoning the father is the one who decidrs when the groom is allowed to pick up the bridde which Jesus even said not even he knew when he would be coming.

this is all in scripture and if the post trib was true then his coming would not fit into the order of time lines that being the feasts the prophetic ordained days which Jesus came and fulfilled four there are only three left to fulfill
I do agree however that the holocaust was a precurser of what is to come and that it is satans wrath upon the earth not God's at least part of it is as the bowls or viles spoken of in revelation are all sent by God

But for the discussion sake can you show me where in scripture it says that the rapture is going to be post trib?

 

[Citizen]

Does one's belief in the timing of rapture (pre tribulation, during tribulation, etc) affect one's salvation?

Can eschatology beliefs condemn believers? No. The Bible is clear we're saved through God-given faith in Christ, not eschatology.

Can eschatology views have an affect on salvation down the road? Possibly. What happens when a believer is facing the ultimate persecution and pre-trib turns out to be false? They can potentially lose faith in God and reject Him because they were absolutely assured they'd be floating to heaven instead of facing torture and death. That's my concern for pre-trib followers.

I'd rather be prepared for the worst than be caught out unprepared with potentially disastrous results.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

ok lets go by what the scriptures say then again I find this one to be interesting 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

The point is not by whose wrath we are to be saved from it is the fact that we are to be saved from it to begin with. not to mention the parable of the ten virgins if you didn't know it is actually an anaology of the wedding and how the wedding works with the jews is that the groom comes unannounced like a thief in the night to collect his bride who waits eagerly and with graoning the father is the one who decidrs when the groom is allowed to pick up the bridde which Jesus even said not even he knew when he would be coming.

this is all in scripture and if the post trib was true then his coming would not fit into the order of time lines that being the feasts the prophetic ordained days which Jesus came and fulfilled four there are only three left to fulfill
I do agree however that the holocaust was a precurser of what is to come and that it is satans wrath upon the earth not God's at least part of it is as the bowls or viles spoken of in revelation are all sent by God

But for the discussion sake can you show me where in scripture it says that the rapture is going to be post trib?

This has been debated over and over that you can just do a search on it here or on the internet. The time is drawing nearer that now is just a waste of time to go over all this when even pre-tribbers know what verses that post-tribbers point to. We're at the point that we can't waste time debating this any longer.

God tells me don't bother debating this - everyone needs to be warned and encouraged to practice enduring with the Lord for the great apocalypse because there is no pre-trib rapture. We're all going to be there for that.


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[DeepSeeker]

As for The Book Of Revelation; and Mth.24, which speaks of Its contents.
That chapter of Mathew sue makes it clear that The Book Of Revelation fits Those verses.
Yet Today, people keep desiring to take what was written To Isreal, and for Isreal, and apply It to, Today!

The apostle Paul was given the job of preaching TO THE GENTILES; not, THE JEWS. Why then do people tend to ignore This Fact? Why do they keep trying to force that which was for Isreal only into Today, This Age?

If you want It, then you must take what goes with It! No thanks!
Those that do This are saying that They too, are Jews of That Age.

 

[DeepSeeker]

As for The Book Of Revelation; and Mth.24, which speaks of Its contents.
That chapter of Mathew sue makes it clear that The Book Of Revelation fits Those verses.
Yet Today, people keep desiring to take what was written To Isreal, and for Isreal, and apply It to, Today!

The apostle Paul was given the job of preaching TO THE GENTILES; not, THE JEWS. Why then do people tend to ignore This Fact? Why do they keep trying to force that which was for Isreal only into Today, This Age?

If you want It, then you must take what goes with It! No thanks!
Those that do This are saying that They too, are Jews of That Age.

 

[Blade]

The bible speaks of an Apostasy coming, where Christians forsake Christ for a false christ/false god. Pretribs literally believe the Apostasy is the rapture (a physical departure rather than a religious departure) so they want to take part in that "departure". So yes, one's stance on the rapture timing could affect salvation.

It's like someone believing the lake of fire is actually just a nice vacation in a warm tropical island.

Along time ago in the bible the word used was "departure". That word can me falling away and can also mean departure. Some tend not to share this pre-trib had done it post-trib has done it so.

To the OP your looking waiting for Christ to come in the air.. your doing exactly what He said. We were not promised tomorrow so I watch and am ready now. Now is when He will come I will never miss Him. If one is not watching does not believe and He comes dies He take them against their will? Some say all will go some say few will go it does seem no one knows So I put my trust my faith in this moment He gave me..to always be thinking of Him.. and my life my walk.. oh AWESOME! Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS. Has no effect on my salvation.

 

[Blain]

This has been debated over and over that you can just do a search on it here or on the internet. The time is drawing nearer that now is just a waste of time to go over all this when even pre-tribbers know what verses that post-tribbers point to. We're at the point that we can't waste time debating this any longer.

God tells me don't bother debating this - everyone needs to be warned and encouraged to practice enduring with the Lord for the great apocalypse because there is no pre-trib rapture. We're all going to be there for that.


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It is not an issue if you do not wish to discuss this but why be in this thrrad if you don't wish to do so? God would not say don't debate this if the truth was at stake here it sounds more like you just don't have an answer

 

[Leastofall]

According to the parable we are to earnestly in expectation look forward to the rapture. So yes eschatology can make a difference in one's walk.
The debate over the issue of pre and mid or even post trib or even if it's true is as to one's personal view and understanding.
I personally believe it is true and am a pre trib believer.
I can and will explain my beliefs but will not debate over the issues. My belief in this also has changed my view point on the book of revelation.
I think it's better to be prepared and aware rather than proving my personal view.

 

[Blain]

According to the parable we are to earnestly in expectation look forward to the rapture. So yes eschatology can make a difference in one's walk.
The debate over the issue of pre and mid or even post trib or even if it's true is as to one's personal view and understanding.
I personally believe it is true and am a pre trib believer.
I can and will explain my beliefs but will not debate over the issues. My belief in this also has changed my view point on the book of revelation.
I think it's better to be prepared and aware rather than proving my personal view.

I believe you are correct in your post here we are to earnestly and eagerly wait for the rapture and yes depending on ones view and understanding it can be pre mid or post

me personally I am a pre/prewrath believer I find both of these views to make the most sense and there are plenty of verses that speak of a sudden coming of Jesus which aligns with how the rapture will happen but very few if any of a post or mid trib one