Questions

[Snackersmom]

.........Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:8-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its definitely written there but wow is that contrary to everything he taught elsewhere that one’s always been a riddle to me how it fits with the entirety of the New Testament

It leaves alot of in answered questions for me honestly I’ve never been able to grasp it not denying what it says but wow it’s hard to grasp that given everything else he taught throughout

............ Even to the point of saying their salvation would come from having children, and that is surely weird, because Jesus said "anyone" who believed in Him would receive salvation.

Hi guys, I'm going to address this too becasue you both mentioned it.....annnddd, now I see Pilgrim's hope has mentioned it too.

If you look up the greek word that is translated "saved", you will see that it does not always apply to Eternal salvation. It basically means "To preserve, protect, heal, or make whole", and it can apply to an earthly protection as well as eternal salvation.

Part of the curse on women is that we will have difficulty in childbirth, but I think Paul is saying that being right with God and behaving the way we should will help diminish the effect of that curse, thus "protecting" us from some earthly trevail. I do not personally think it applies to eternal salvation at all, otherwise Paul would not have said that it's better for women to remain virgins lol.

The greek study on the word "saved" was quite interesting, and might change the way you see a few other scriptures as well.

 

[Kenneth]

HAHAHAHAH The word "chatter" is not even found in Scripture in this context! So you are already off on the wrong foot.

According to the context, there was no chattering in the churches. Even the NASB does not translate that Greek word laleo as "chatter".
NASB Translation
made (1), proclaiming (1), said (6), say (5), saying (7), says (2), speak (95), speak forth (1), speaking (54), speaks (25), spoke (44), spoken (38), stating (1), talked (1), talking (5), tell (1), telling (1), things spoken (2), told (7), uttered (1), whispered* (1)

The issue was "speaking". Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak*; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (1 Cor 14:34)
*Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2980: λαλέω
2. to speak, i. e. to use the tongue or the faculty of speech; to utter articulate sounds: absolutely 1 Corinthians 14:11.

In fact that would be quite an insulting assumption regarding the churches and the women at that time. The issues were quite different. Women were attempting to speak in tongues publicly, and Paul made it clear that that was unacceptable to God. Women were to keep silent in church meetings and also be in submission ("under obedience") to their own husbands. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Cor 14:35) That is a very strong statement. "It is a shame" because the women shame both themselves and the whole church!

Then women were attempting to teach and usurp authority in the churches, and that too was unacceptable to God. And Paul makes this quite clear in 1 Timothy 2. So anyone trying to promote disobedience to these Scriptures is promoting rebellion. And the Bible says that rebellion is "as the sin of witchcraft" (1 Sam 15:23).

Then you have taken several passages OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point. Not a single one of those passages relates to New Testament church gatherings or meetings for worship.

okay great pick it a word what does the word chatter mean? according to the Webster's Dictionary chatter is a rapid foolish talk and there should definitely be no rapid foolish talk in church especially when the word is being taught! So yes you may be right the actual word chatter does not appear in the Bible or at least in this verse but it sure applies nobody but nobody should be allowed to chatter, talk make a disruptive noise or anything else that disrupts the teaching of God's word!

IF you are going to discern Scripture, you need to do so by keeping Scripture in the proper context IMO.

I Corinthians, Chapter 14:

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Scripture is pretty clear. Paul believes women should keep silent in the churches. Now, knowing that he was dealing with people (men and women) who were just leaving their Pagan ritual services (House of 1,000 Prostitutes) and learning about Christianity, I can see why he would say something like this. I would think the women, who had been practicing prostitution, did not have a great understanding of Scripture, or the Gospel of Jesus. Thus, they would be a distraction. Verse 35 tends to reveal this since Paul says "if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home:"

IMO, this is clear women are not to speak in the churches. Speech would include audible praying, singing, fellowshipping, etc. As well, the let them ask their husbands would suggest they were not to own or read Scripture. Let their husbands teach them.

(my thoughts)

You have taken this all out of context. The question was

IF you are going to discern Scripture, you need to do so by keeping Scripture in the proper context IMO.

I Corinthians, Chapter 14:

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Scripture is pretty clear. Paul believes women should keep silent in the churches. Now, knowing that he was dealing with people (men and women) who were just leaving their Pagan ritual services (House of 1,000 Prostitutes) and learning about Christianity, I can see why he would say something like this. I would think the women, who had been practicing prostitution, did not have a great understanding of Scripture, or the Gospel of Jesus. Thus, they would be a distraction. Verse 35 tends to reveal this since Paul says "if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home:"

IMO, this is clear women are not to speak in the churches. Speech would include audible praying, singing, fellowshipping, etc. As well, the let them ask their husbands would suggest they were not to own or read Scripture. Let their husbands teach them.

(my thoughts)

You have taken this all out of context. The question was what does it mean that woman should be silent in church? Yes woman should be silent during church or any time the Word of God is being brought forth. Men and children should also be silent in church. There should be no talking when the word is being taught. According to you a woman can not say a prayer out loud in church, they can not sing in church, they can not teach Sunday school, They can not work in the church office because the office is inside the church and they must be silent in church. They can not sing? They should leave the church following 6 steps behind their husband as is required in some other religion's? What about the other questions? They are all out of context also? Let's go back up to verse 27, what does it say. If any man speak in an unknown tongue Let It Be by 2 or at the most by 3 and that by course; and let one interpret but if there be no interpreter, let him keep silent in the church and let him speak to himself and to God. I don't know where you go to church I don't know what your church teaches but there are many churches that will say that speaking in tongues in an audible form and without interpretation is a sign of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now that is what would be out of context with what Paul taught.

 

[Kenneth]

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

OK tell me how? I thank we have covered #1Righ

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi guys, I'm going to address this too becasue you both mentioned it.....annnddd, now I see Pilgrim's hope has mentioned it too.

If you look up the greek word that is translated "saved", you will see that it does not always apply to Eternal salvation. It basically means "To preserve, protect, heal, or make whole", and it can apply to an earthly protection as well as eternal salvation.

Part of the curse on women is that we will have difficulty in childbirth, but I think Paul is saying that being right with God and behaving the way we should will help diminish the effect of that curse, thus "protecting" us from some earthly trevail. I do not personally think it applies to eternal salvation at all, otherwise Paul would not have said that it's better for women to remain virgins lol.

The greek study on the word "saved" was quite interesting, and might change the way you see a few other scriptures as well.

Yeah I’m not sure about your point but appreciate you saying it

It’s pretty clear Paul’s talking about transgression and that’s what we have to be saved from

“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s simply recalling eves curse

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is using this curse to make his argument that women should remain silent and in full subjection because …..Eve was deceived and was In transgression that’s what he’s saying there it doesn’t really make sense why he’s apply eves cirse for sin to women who have had thier sins remitted in Christ …..

also elsewhere he squarely puts the blame on adam for the transgression

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a lot about what he said that doesn’t make sense to me but it’s just my inability to reconcile it where it belongs

 

[Kenneth]

OK tell me how? I thank we have covered #1Righ

I have to disagree with you there.okay

okay great pick it a word what does the word chatter mean? according to the Webster's Dictionary chatter is a rapid foolish talk and there should definitely be no rapid foolish talk in church especially when the word is being taught! So yes you may be right the actual word chatter does not appear in the Bible or at least in this verse but it sure applies nobody but nobody should be allowed to chatter, talk make a disruptive noise or anything else that disrupts the teaching of God's word!

You have taken this all out of context. The question was

You have taken this all out of context. The question was what does it mean that woman should be silent in church? Yes woman should be silent during church or any time the Word of God is being brought forth. Men and children should also be silent in church. There should be no talking when the word is being taught. According to you a woman can not say a prayer out loud in church, they can not sing in church, they can not teach Sunday school, They can not work in the church office because the office is inside the church and they must be silent in church. They can not sing? They should leave the church following 6 steps behind their husband as is required in some other religion's? What about the other questions? They are all out of context also? Let's go back up to verse 27, what does it say. If any man speak in an unknown tongue Let It Be by 2 or at the most by 3 and that by course; and let one interpret but if there be no interpreter, let him keep silent in the church and let him speak to himself and to God. I don't know where you go to church I don't know what your church teaches but there are many churches that will say that speaking in tongues in an audible form and without interpretation is a sign of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now that is what would be out of context with what Paul taught.

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OK tell me how? I thank we have covered #1Righ

OK then let me do it. Take question #2 Will Satan return in a flesh body? No He will not. You can go all the way back to the beginning in the Garden. You had the tree of Life: that was Jesus. Then you had the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Satan. we know that neither tree was a real tree the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was Satan, the Tree of Life is Jesus. In in Job chapter 38 verse 1. then the Lord answered job out of the Whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge. Now job was not the only one that was present at this time you have to go back a few chapters to find out that one of job's so-called friends was with him and he was lurking in the shadows and this is who God was referring to when he said darkeneth my counsel without knowledge. It is true that Joe also was without the proper knowledge but we also know that Job was faithful to God through all of his trials. let's go down to verse 3 where God starts to talk to Job. gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of the, and answer thou Me. So here's God coming to job in the whirlwind and in verse 3 he tells Job to stand up like and be a man put on your big boy pants for I want to talk to you. Now God starts asking Job a lot of questions. I want to go down to verse 7 when the morning Stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. remember all these questions start with where were you Job when. Satan would have been there at this time but he would not have been called Satan his name was Lucifer the Bright Morning Star the Cherub that covereth The Mercy Seat. Satan in the beginning was an anointed cherub before he fell. Satan has never been nor will he ever be in a flesh body. Let's go to Revelation chapter 12 verse 7. And there was a war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon and the Dragon fought and his angels, verse 8 and prevailed not neither was there Place found anymore in heaven. Verse 9 and the Great Dragon was cast out that old serpent called the devil and Satan which to seeth the whole world: he was cast out onto the Earth and his angels were cast out with him. he was not in a flesh body not back in job during the first Earth age and not here at the end of this Earth age. I'm gonna stop here and take you to Second Peter chapter 3. We are quickly going to go over the three World ages. Verse 5 for this they are willingly ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens were of old and the Earth standing out of the water and in the water; whereby the the world that then was being overflowed with water perished; Verse 7. But the heavens and the Earth which are now ( that would be this Earth age the one we're living in now), by the same word are kept in store reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and the perdition of ungodly men. okay let's back this up go to Zachariah chapter14 verse 1 behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be delivered in the midst of Thee. Verse 2 for I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken and the houses rifled, and the women ravaged; and half the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Verse 3 thus shall the Lord go forth and fight against the Nations as he fought in the day of battle. And here's why we came here verse 4. And his foot shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the East, and the amount of olive shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half the mountain shall remove toward the North and half toward the South. You can read in Ezekiel that this Valley will be 60 sq Miles. This is where the millennial Temple will be set up, the New Jerusalem will be, and the portion for the priests and the Levites. If you want to take the time to read Ezekiel chapter 40 through 48 you will find more written there about the millennium than in the entire Book of Revelation. The long and the short of it is that Satan was not, is not, and when he's kicked out of heaven will not be in a flesh body. He has always been in a spirit body. He started out as the Cherub that covered The Mercy Seat and and when Michael kicks him out of heaven at the end of this Earth age he will be in a spiritual body then also. Tell me how this is misleading and has no scripture to back it up. Will get to the second part in just a minute.

 

[Kenneth]

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

The second part of that question was more of a joke if I pinch myself and it hurts I know I'm still in my flesh body and Satan hasn't returned. This was never meant to be a real question Pastor uses that all the time; pinch yourself and if it hurts you know you're still in your flesh body and not your spiritual body.

 

[Kenneth]

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

Question 3 we just covered it's the same as question 2

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

question 4 was about how much gold and silver and other things of value should we have during the time of tribulation. Now Pastor Pastor said that this was only going to be a 5 month period of time. Revelation 9 and it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the Earth nor any green thing nor any tree but only those men which have not the Seal of God in their foreheads. Okay let's stop right here tap yourself on the forehead, what's behind your forehead it's your brain your gray matter what you use to think with. this is the mark of the beast. yes it is the number of a man and that Mark is the knowledge that Satan comes first that he shows up at the sixth Trump, The Sixth Seal, and the sixth vial. Therefore you get the number 666. okay let's pick this back up again in Revelation 9 verse 5. And to them it was given that they should not kill them but they should be tormented five months, Verse 6. And in those days shall man seek death, and shall not find it; and their desire to die, and Death Shall flee from them. Again I'm going to ask you how is that misleading. If you want I will take the time to go through the entire teaching of the number of the beats which is the number of a man and it is 666.

 

[Kenneth]

Your pastor is simply misleading you. All his answers are incorrect and he has actually misrepresented what is in Scripture. So my advice to you is to study the Holy Bible for yourself and arrive at a proper understanding through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would take too much time and effort to show his errors point by point, and there would be no point in that either.

Do we really need to go into question five why do good people have to die. In Genesis God said from the earth you came and from the earth you shall return. Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verse 6. Or ever the silver cord is loosed, or the Golden Bowl is broken, or the Or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Verse 7 then shall the dust return to the Earth as it was; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. When you die this physical body goes into the ground or is cremated or gets disposed of in some other manner. When we die we no longer need the flesh body and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

 

[PennEd]

Questions Part 1.​

In our church pastor gives us a chance to ask questions at the end of his sermon. I want to give you just a few of the questions and answers



# 1. what does it mean in the Bible when it says a woman must be silent in church.

This is a problem with the Greek translation into the English. The proper word should be that a woman should not chatter in church. Pastor will not allow either men or women to chatter in church when God's word is being taught. When it comes to women Philip had four daughters they were all virgins and they prophesied. You might want to say that a man helped them but that's not true because they were all virgins. They converted the whole strip from Gaza clear up to Tyra which Israel never did but these four women along with Philip were able to convert them. A wrong translation can do a lot of harm when they pull away from the manuscripts this is why scholarly work is so important. Here it would seem that there is a contradiction in God's word but there is no contradiction in God's word it's in man's interpretation, or a lack of property teaching, that caused this problem.



#2. I believe that when the Antichrist comes we will all still be in flesh bodies?

This is absolutely correct.

I have a second question if I am in pain does that mean that I'm still in my flesh body?

Yes it does and if you can pinch yourself and and you feel it you are definitely still in your flesh body. That's not difficult to understand is it. A third of the angels that were deceived in the first Earth age as it is stipulated in Revelation 12.3 and there appeared another Wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon having seven heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon their heads. Verse 4. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of Heaven, and did cast them to the Earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered for to deliver her child as soon as it was born. That is who God wants to see if in the flesh they will still want to worship the snake or will they listen to the teaching, the seed planting that will pull them away from Satan to God. If they fall again after the Millennium they're done there is no third chance.

#3. Is the Antichrist symbolic or will he actually appear in the flesh?

He will not appear in the flesh because he is a spiritual being he was one of the cherubim that covered The Mercy Seat in the first Earth age. Satan when he appears will look just like a normal man but he will be a spiritual being it will appear to most that he is just another man because he will look like us, he will eat like us, the only way you will know who he is, is with spiritual discernment. I can guarantee you that if you've ever been around someone with a demonic spirit you will be able to discern it.



#4. How much gold and silver, or other things of value should we have on hand to prepare for the hour of Temptation.

Well how long is the hour of Temptation? It is a 5-month that God promises us something and it is a real big promise, it is in Revelation chapter 2 verse 10 that no individual, even though there are 5 months of persecution no person will have have more than 10 days of persecution. You have a pretty good limit there, you should always have things that you can barter with. If you happen to have a watch on your arm or any type of jewelry you can take that to your local Merchant and trade it for food or anything else you might need, that way you will not have to worship the Antichrist in order to get his money to be able to sustain yourself. You don't need to be stocking up enough silver, gold, or anything else for a lifetime you must remember that this is only going to be a 5-month period. It must remember that back in the day when most people were either businessmen or farmers they would trade their labor or their goods for other things that they had need of most of the time money was never exchanged.



#5. Why is it that good people have to die? Why is it that when they get old they have to get sick, broken down, and die.

The answer to that is that these flash bodies are not our real bodies. And First Corinthians chapter 15 you will read that we have two bodies, at this present time, one is the flesh body and the other is a spiritual body. It is true that this flesh body will get old, that at any time in life it can get sick and you could die. We are really not at home in this flesh body, but you have a spiritual body that will never get old, never get sick, and will never die. That spiritual body is eternal, that is why some people have seen angels and they appear as a young person. First Corinthians 15 verse 42. So also is theis the resurrection of the Dead. It is sown an incorruption; it is raised in incorruption: verse 43. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sow and in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power verse 44. it is so on a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. Remember when the two women went to the Tomb of Jesus. Luke 24verse 1 now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. Verse 2. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. Verse 3. And they entered in, and found not the Lord Jesus. Verse 4 and it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments.

We were getting a little long here, and I will pick it up later because there are more questions answers to follow.

Remember every day in God's word is a good day.

I disagree with much of what your pastor has to say on many of those questions, but I like the first one.

 

[Snackersmom]

Yeah I’m not sure about your point but appreciate you saying it

It’s pretty clear Paul’s talking about transgression and that’s what we have to be saved from

“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s simply recalling eves curse

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is using this curse to make his argument that women should remain silent and in full subjection because …..Eve was deceived and was In transgression that’s what he’s saying there it doesn’t really make sense why he’s apply eves cirse for sin to women who have had thier sins remitted in Christ …..

also elsewhere he squarely puts the blame on adam for the transgression

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a lot about what he said that doesn’t make sense to me but it’s just my inability to reconcile it where it belongs

Lol thanks..... Let me try again...... I think Paul was saying that the "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” part of the curse stands, even after we get saved. Which is why wives must submit to their husbands and not teach or have authority over men. But the "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" part of the curse is broken for those women who are earnestly following Christ. We are, in essence, preserved or protected from that part if we do what He says.

I have spoken to many God-fearing ladies who said their deliveries were amazingly peaceful, even when things went wrong and required emergency response. They did not bring their children forth in sorrow at all, rather in joy.

 

[Kenneth]

I disagree with much of what your pastor has to say on many of those questions, but I like the first one.

I am glad that you liked the fist one. Your church I am guessing by the fact that you disagree on the rest that Your church believes in the rapture, believes that both the body and the spirit stay in the ground after a person dies. I would thank that you disagree with Revelation about the 5 months.. Let me know I would like to go over some of those things with you. I would also like for you to show me from the Bible why you would disagree with what I say our church believes. I am not looking for a debate but real Bible Fellowship, studying, and just being Christian Brothers. In his love Kenneth

 

[Kenneth]

Do we really need to go into question five why do good people have to die. In Genesis God said from the earth you came and from the earth you shall return. Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verse 6. Or ever the silver cord is loosed, or the Golden Bowl is broken, or the Or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Verse 7 then shall the dust return to the Earth as it was; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. When you die this physical body goes into the ground or is cremated or gets disposed of in some other manner. When we die we no longer need the flesh body and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

If I am wrong you are telling me that as a brother in Christ you would rather let me sink than through me a life line. is that what I'm reading here?

 

[Nehemiah6]

pauls argument there is that women are still under that curse that’s why woman is subject to man[/QUOTE]This in NOT Paul's "argument". Rather, it is God's revelation to Christians, so you can either accept it as such and obey it, or you can reject it.

Paul was speaking by divine inspiration, and also with the wisdom that God had specifically given him. And that is exactly what Peter says: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15,16)

When Peter says "the other Scriptures", he is primarily referring to the Tanakh (OT), but the implication is that all of Paul's epistles are "Scripture". And when Paul says "I will" it is "according to the wisdom given unto him". So evidently this is one of those things "which are hard to be understood", thus too many "wrest" (or twist) these truths because they are unlearned and unstable.

 

[Nehemiah6]

OK tell me how? I thank we have covered #1Right

As I already mentioned in my first post, I will not refute your pastor's errors point by point. It is now up to you to study God's Word and discern the truth.

 

[montana123]

# 1. what does it mean in the Bible when it says a woman must be silent in church.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

The authority structure of God on earth is God, Christ, man, woman, angels.

Which people will have a higher position in heaven than the angels which they are ministering spirits, and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

But in the Lord there is no authority structure between men and women for they are equal.

When the saints come together to hear the word of God, and worship Him it should be a man to lead the congregation, and when he speaks he has the floor so no person should be talking, but when he is done he can have women give testimonies, sing for they have to praise God, and if he wants they he should be able to have them come up and speak.

It seems like they had a problem with the women in that Church but a woman can sure speak in Church so it must mean they were talking when the preacher was trying to speak which he has the authority when he does that so they were usurping authority above him by speaking.

A man should not talk when the preacher is speaking.

After the preacher is speaking it would seem like the men and women can both speak equally for a man and a woman are equal in the Lord which they are all believers, and the preacher only has the authority according to the authority structure of God on earth.

#2. I believe that when the Antichrist comes we will all still be in flesh bodies?

We will have fleshy bodies for Paul said let no person deceive you by any means for the gathering of the saints unto Christ shall not happen until there is a falling away first, which is the response of the world to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of it on a world wide scale all nations governments enforcing it, and the man of sin claims to be God.

So when the man of sin/New Age Christ, claims to be God the saints are not resurrected yet so they are in fleshy bodies.

Which the Bible says he blasphemes against God and His tabernacle which he would not have to do that if the saints were not on the earth for the truth would not be represented on earth so he would not have to tell the world to not follow Christianity for it is false.

The resurrection of the saints shall not happen until the New Age Christ claims to be God.

Which the saints will know who he is when he negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty.

And the Bible says the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have scattered the power of the holy people all things are finished.

Since God is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and rebel against the truth, the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth, for if the saints are gone before that then how did the world go against the truth.

#3. Is the Antichrist symbolic or will he actually appear in the flesh?

He will appear in the flesh which Satan will use him to deceive the world to rebel against God.

Which God tells us of the new age movement which they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and Jesus became an ascended master, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

The time will come when people will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth, but according to their own lusts the new age movement.

They shall come out at the latter times which they did.

Their beliefs shall be of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils which they follow Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help them to have peace, advance, and evolve, which they talk about the return of the gods.

The United Nations supports new age organizations and is with them as well as Science.

Which science says humans are not from the earth, and the world needs to prepare for an alien encounter.

When the New Age Christ negotiates peace in the Middle East which results in a peace treaty he will push the agenda of the new age movement which he will think to change times and laws, and he will become the biggest player on the world scene, and things will change drastically.

The world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section who will support the New Age Christ.

The newly elected Pope will support the New Age Christ and will give heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible adding more influence to his agenda.

God is love and loves all people, but He has to end sin on earth one day.

He will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ.

This allows the devils to be able to work in the world more than in the past which the devils will be cast to earth at the end of the first three and one half years, and the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and Satan appears as the antichrist, and the devils deceive all people who do not love God which is the strong delusion He will send all people who do not love the truth but have pleasure in unrighteousness.

The new age movement believes aliens will help them to have peace but they are the fallen angels.

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[montana123]

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#4. How much gold and silver, or other things of value should we have on hand to prepare for the hour of Temptation.

Do not worry about that for God said do not worry about your needs for He will supply them if you seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness.

Also the hour of temptation is not what you think it is.

The 7 Churches is a prophetic statement to how the Church age will go in major influence among the people, and if any falsehood God always has people in the truth.

Which at the first Church age they lost their first love which is probably the love for people, and probably they were not helping the poor and needy like they should which love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which when the Church started the saints sold all they had that was not a necessity and gave to the people in need.

Which the Bible says that if any one teaches that godliness is gain from such withdraw yourselves, having food and clothing be content.

Then the next three Churches have serious deception which they are called the synagogue of Satan, and where the seat of Satan dwells.

Which the Roman Catholic Church ruled for many years that was a major influence among the people.

Which it is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

Which because of this they can sway to go along with the world as they change which is what happens when the Pope and the Vatican embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, and support the New Age Christ.

Then the 5th Church did not have the serious deception but they were not made perfect which seems to be the Protestant movement rebelling against the Roman Catholic Church, and their teaching starting to set the stage for the popular belief among the people to sway that way.

Then the 6th Church Jesus did not have anything against them, and hold fast what you have, which the Protestant movement caused a major influence in the world among those that believe.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This testifies that the 7 Churches are a prophetic statement of how the Church age will go in major influence among the people for this temptation comes upon the whole world at the same time which could not happen back in the first century, and can only happen at the time of technology.

Which there can only be one temptation that can tempt the whole world all at the same time, and can only happen at the time of technology, and this is when the New Age Christ negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty, and the world says Peace and safety as they go to a one world government as the way to have peace on earth.

Which then the world has a choice to follow them or not whether they are Christian or not.

Which many people claiming Christianity shall follow them thinking this is what is best for the world, and it is of God.

But many will find out it is not of God, and stop following them, but many will giving heed to the New Age Christ which the Bible says some shall depart from the faith, and follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

So many people who claim Christianity will be tempted when they say Peace and safety to think that is may be a good idea, but many will not follow up on that, and some will follow them.

But the people of the 6th Church that Jesus had no fault with them He will keep them from that hour of temptation so they will not be tempted by it but know that it is not of God without wondering about it.

#5. Why is it that good people have to die? Why is it that when they get old they have to get sick, broken down, and die.

We are in the flesh of course we are going to die unless a person is caught up alive in the resurrection.

And also the body will begin to break down, and decay, for it is weak flesh.

If the Bible says all who will live godly shall suffer persecution, and the saints are persecuted, and killed all the day long, and they will suffer for the kingdom of God, and Jesus said do not worry what they can do to the body but can do no more, why would people think that God would deliver them from a decaying fleshy body when they are not delivered from persecution.

 

[Kenneth]

Let's keep going with some more questions. In the Book of Job I want to go to chapter 36 to lay some groundwork. In chapter 36 we see that Elihu one of Job's so-called friends is with him. Now let's jump to chapter 38 that's where I really want to be. Job chapter 38. Verse 1. then the Lord answered job out of the world wind and said, This whirlwind would be the same whirlwind that God showed up with when he was speaking to Ezekiel in chapter 1. Verse 2 who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Remember Elihu who is still with Job. He is lurking in the shadows. This is who I think that God is talking to because remember in the beginning he talked about how Job was a man of God and he sent Satan to tempt him God had confidence in Job. Verse 3. Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will desire of Thee and answer thou me. God is telling job to stand up put on your big boy pants, I want to ask you some questions. God is also asking you these Questions. Verse 4. Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding. Just where were you Job? when I did this. Do you have any idea at all where you were Job? how about yourself do you know where you were? You should because we have God's word. The Book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible. It is not the first book in the Bible because That's just not the way God set it up. Verse 5. who has laid the measure thereof, if thou knowest? Or who has stretched the line upon it? Who is it Job that knew just how big to make the Earth, who was laid the equator the center line around this Earth do you have understanding of this job.
Verse 6. Whereupon are the foundations there of fastened? Or who laid the Cornerstone thereof;
How is this Earth held up Job, what keeps it in its orbit, how is it that it doesn't go too close to the Sun and burn up or go too far from the Sun and turn into a big ball of ice. Job do you have an answer for these questions Job. how about each one of us do we know the answer.
Verse 7. When the morning Stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
When was this? And just where were all the sons of God that shouted for joy? And at this time Lucifer, the Bright Morning Star, the Cherub that covered The Mercy Seat was there with all the sons of God and they all shouted for joy. In Ezekiel chapters 26 through 28 you can read about the king of Tyrus. who becomes demoted to the prince of Tyrus. As you read these chapters you will find out that Satan the Fallen Angel becomes the king of Tyrus. Just what does Tyrus mean: It means Rock this rock is not our Rock, our Rock is Jesus Christ. Their Rock is Satan.
Verse 8. Or who shut up the seeds with the doors, when it broke forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Verse 9 when I made the cloud the Garment thereof and the thick Darkness a swaddling band for it. And these questions keep going on throughout this chapter and chapter 39.In chapter 40. You should read the whole chapter but I want to look at verse 15. Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; He eateth grass as an ox. God made Job at the same time that He made behemoth which is the dinosaur. The dinosaur was on Earth job was with God and all the sons of God and the morning Stars. He was in heaven at this time. I know that this is a lot to take in but I have one more place that I want to go to that will again lay this out very clearly.

 

[Kenneth]

Okay let's go to the New Testament we're gonna go to Second Peter chapter 3.Please remember that these are not my words these will be the words of Peter given unto him by God to bring forth to us.


Okay here we go chapter 3 verse 1.This Second Epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure Minds by the way of remembrance; verse 2 that you may be mindful of The Words which were spoken by the holy Prophets and the Commandments of us the apostles of the Lord and savior:


Peter's going to take us back he wants us to be mindful of the words which were spoken by the holy Prophets; he wants to stir up our minds and try and bring back our memories of the times of old. Verse 3 sharpen up here Peter is going to explain to us the three Earth ages. okay verse 3 knowing this first that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, verse 4 and saying quotation where is the promise of his coming return? For since the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. Okay here we go verse 5 for this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the Heaven's were of old and the Earth standing out of the water and in the water: Please do not get offended by the use of the word ignorant, one I don't personally know any of you and I would never want to offend anybody. The word ignorant does not mean that somebody is stupid or anything like that; m it's simply means that you are without the proper information to understand a subject. The heavens what does that mean the heavens include our atmosphere, the Inner Space that's the space between our ozone layer and outer space. That's what the heavens are. The heavens of old would not be the world after Noah's flood because everything was not destroyed, there was the life that was on the ark, and when the ark rested on the mountain what did they find? A fig tree. this is talking about the time we read about in Job when everybody was in heaven with God. The Earth was in perfect form true north magnetic north were the same unlike today were magnetic north true north are approximately 90 miles apart. Now if you look up the word Earth in your Concordance you will find that it has to do with the top layer of the Earth it does not include the inner core or the molten. This Earth that Peter is talking about is that that was in chapter one verse 1 of Genesis. God created the heavens and the Earth.


Verse 6. Whereby the world that then was being overflowed with water perished:


okay let's go back to Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. We really don't know how much time lapsed in between when the Earth was perfectly made and perfectly in its orbit. But that world was completely destroyed as far as the surface of the Earth and the Animals they're on. This is why we do not have dinosaurs today.


Verse 7. but the heavens and the Earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and the Perdition of ungodly men.


This Earth age that we live in now will continue until Satan returns and then God has the angel sound the seventh Trump. And at that instant in the moment in the twinkling of an eye the last Trump shall sound and we will be changed. okay let's pick it up with verse 50. Now this I say, Brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither death corruption inherit incorruption. Verse 51 behold I show you a mystery we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed, we shall not all sleep that phrase refers to the fact that we will not all die before all of this takes place.


Verse 52 in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last Trump the Trump shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall all be changed.


Just who were the dead here? We are not talking about those that have died and gone on before us the dead year are those that have not the spirit of God in them. They are physically alive but spiritually there is dead as a hammer.


verse 53. For this corruptible must put on in corruption and this Mortal must put on immortality verse 54 so when this corruptible shall have put on incorruptible and this Mortal shall have put on immortality then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written death is swallowed up by victory verse 55.Death where is thy sting o grave where is thy Victory? The Sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. Verse 57 but thanks be to God, Which give it us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Okay verse 52 tells us just how fast things are going to happen at the last Trump. The last Trump that would be the furthest one out which would be the seventh Trump. Those of us that are alive whether we be filled with God's spirit or with our human spirit, spirit that means not born again. We will all be changed. Why do we have to be changed? What did it say earlier in this chapter flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So at that last Trump in that moment in the twinkling of an eye when Jesus shall set his foot on the Mount of Olives and split that mountain into a 60 mile Valley which will house the new Millennial Temple where Jesus will be it will have the New Jerusalem, there will be the allotment to the priests and the allotment to the Levites. Again you can read all about this and Ezekiel chapter 40 through 48 there is more in those chapters about the millennium then there is in the Book of Revelation. It says we will all be changed, we will all have spiritual bodies. What is going to be the difference between those of the children of God and those of the children of Satan. Those that are of the children of God those that have been born again and followed God's word learned God's word will have and Immortal soul. That means their soul will never die they will live eternally. Others will have an immortal soul that means that it is liable to die. Why do I say liable to die what goes on during that 1000 year. Of the millennium? There's going to be a time of teaching and then God will bring his throne here to Earth he will sit in the temple he will open the book of Life, each one of us will be judged some of us will get a reward of hundredfold some 60 some 40 and so on as is explained in The Parables. When the books are opened and judgment by God has been pronounced some will go into Eternal damnation and some into eternal life.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“pauls argument there is that women are still under that curse that’s why woman is subject to manThis in NOT Paul's "argument".”

yeah it’s Paul’s argument in what he’s writing all someone has to do is read it brother …..

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

( now Paul’s giving his reasoning making his argument )

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived,

but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you have an issue with the wording I used i do t really know what to tell you Paul’s constantly making arguments throughout his letters to the readers trying to convince them “persuade them “I think is the word he uses in the kjv

as far as the rest there man it is about what I’d expect from you given the interactions I’ve had but don’t really have much to say about it thanks for your opinion there about those things I have my own thoughts based on scripture and prayer and am good remaining in that place

 

[Nehemiah6]

If you have an issue with the wording I used i do t really know what to tell you Paul’s constantly making arguments throughout his letters to the readers trying to convince them “persuade them “I think is the word he uses in the kjv

Since you have already been shown that all of Paul's epistles are to be regarded as Scripture -- the Word of God -- you should not continue trying to make them something else. Over half the NT consists of Paul's epistles, so if they are anything less than Scripture, we have no New Testament. For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. (1 Thess 2:13).

The teaching on women in the Bible is the Word of God. The Holy Spirit has given those words to Paul, so Paul is not the originator of any teaching (even though sometimes it appears that way).