Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

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PENTECOST.
they returned FROM Babylon.
in.......time........for: DRUM ROLL - JESUS!
you guys & gals just skip right over the CLIMAX of all History to date.
amazing.
It really is quite astonishing. It's almost as if Jesus' first appearance is an insignificant sidenote.
 
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The kingdom of God at present is not reigning anywhere on the earth, it is in heaven. You show us Zone, or anyone else, where you believe the kingdom is reigning presently upon the earth? What constitutes the kingdom of God on earth reigning? You provide the evidence that the kingdom of God has come and is reigning on the earth. The king came, presented himself on a donkey, was crucified and left this earth ascending to the right hand of the Father. We are here in Christ's stead as ambassadors of Christ through the Holy Spirit. We represent Christ as the church and as a body, not as the kingdom as some like to teach. You are so wrong about the Christ reigning upon the earth at present. He reigns in the heart of the believer but has no resting place on earth. We are the habitation of God through the Spirit and we will either die or be taken up alive and there will be no kingdom of God on earth when either of these things happen. Your are not practical about these things and you have the wrong information.
 

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How have I made God a liar? If I go in to take land/country as my possession but yet I do not drive away all inhabitants then that land/country is not fully my possession. I am sharing that land/country but I could still rule over that land/country. . .

Again. . .

Judges 1:19 - 36 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. The Benjamites, however, did not drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; . . . .But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo. . . Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer. . .Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Hahalol. . .Nor did Asher drive out those living in Akko or Sidon or Ahlab. . . .Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh. . . .If they were not able to drive out those living in the area then they did not have possession of that area. . .


Isn't the above scripture also inspired by God? Can we have contradictions in scripture? No. So if the original owners (possessors) of the land were not fully driven out they still had ownership of the land they inhabited.

But if you want to think that I am lying or making God a liar ~ sorry you see it that way. :)
Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.' , CHRIST

Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


If
you
belong to Christ,
then
you are
Abraham's seed,
and
heirs
according to the promise.


is anyone who doesn't belong to Christ an heir according to the promise?
ANYONE?
 

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The kingdom of God at present is not reigning anywhere on the earth, it is in heaven. You show us Zone, or anyone else, where you believe the kingdom is reigning presently upon the earth? What constitutes the kingdom of God on earth reigning? You provide the evidence that the kingdom of God has come and is reigning on the earth. The king came, presented himself on a donkey, was crucified and left this earth ascending to the right hand of the Father.

Romans 14:17
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

is anybody serving Christ in His kingdom, Red?
what did Paul say?

We are here in Christ's stead as ambassadors of Christ through the Holy Spirit.
what's an ambassador for?
isn't he representing the king and BRINGING THE MESSAGE?

can anyone not belonging to the King in his kingdom represent Him?

this is the Messianic Age. right now.
people are saved by FAITH - not by sight, through the foolishness of what is preached and are transferred right NOW into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son.

i don't know what Kingdom you are in.
do you?

2 Corinthians 5:20
19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

did this MESSAGE go to Israel? or not?
was Israel BEGGED to be reconciled to God in Christ, or not?


did those who believed GET SAVED or not?

the Book of Acts says they did get saved. the gospel went to them FIRST. you're denying that.

their own Apostles (jews) told us they heard. some got saved and continued to get saved. you even have jews in your Dispensational Church - go figger.

those who didn't get saved - didn't.

where did you EVER get the idea there was EVER UNIVERSAL israelite salvation based on FLESH ANCESTRY?

We represent Christ as the church and as a body, not as the kingdom as some like to teach.
if you're not teaching Christ's Kingdom you're not representing Him at all.

He is the king, on David's Throne and He is saving whosoever will.
after this comes NEW JERUSALEM and eternity.

you can tell ppl to wait for the Messianic Age like the Pharisees if you want to.
you'll be standing at the GWT wondering where the 1,000 fable went.

You are so wrong about the Christ reigning upon the earth at present.
He is reiging over the whole earth.
if you don't believe that, i do not know what Kingdom you are in.

He reigns in the heart of the believer but has no resting place on earth.
aawwww......little jesus reinging in your little heart.
because in your scenario the jews reject Him so He couldn't be KING NOW.

He doesn't NEED a resting place on earth IN PERSON. why would He? HE IS IN GLORY.

We are the habitation of God through the Spirit
make up your mind.

and we will either die or be taken up alive and there will be no kingdom of God on earth when either of these things happen. Your are not practical about these things and you have the wrong information.
ri-i-i-i-i-i-ght.
the pretribulation rapture story.

no Kingdom on earth when the church and the Holy Spirit take off for 7 years (daniel 70th week ludicrous gap theory) and jews get slaughtered by the Antichrist while the RACIST gentile church (with a few jews in it) is in heaven having a wedding.

then they all come down and.....WHAT?

then Plan A kicks back in....and FLESH ISRAEL rules over the world with Jesus from Jerusalem?

where's the racist gentile church at that time?
 
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It really is quite astonishing. It's almost as if Jesus' first appearance is an insignificant sidenote.
Who is stating it is insignificant?

You people and your silly attacks. And you think you sound smart?

God does not say "this will happen" and then it does not happen EXACTLY the way he said it would.

It is you people who make God out to be no better than nostradamous. He said hisler. So he MUST have prophesied hitler in ww2. God said ALL ISREAL will be

1. restored to the land their fathers lived in
2. Repent
3. No longer live in their sin and worship their idols
4. No longer be a divided kingdom again.

And you say Jesus did it in pentecost. WHEN NON OF THE THINGS PROMISED HAPPENED!

and you want to mock us? no wonder people get so pissed at you guys!!
 
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You're selectively seeing what you want to see.
Am I? Or are you?

God made specific promised through his prophet Ezekial. I take him at his word. why won;t you?? Your the one who has to twist and distort what Ezekial said to make pentecost the fulfiment. NOT ME.


Men from Israel and Judah were gathered in Jerusalem and restored together in Christ. One new man; the true Israel which does not defile itself with idols. You're confusing Israel with imposters.
1. Ezekail said ALL MEN.. not some
2. Not all Israel were in Jerusalem. many were STILL SCATTERED throuout the world at this time/. and never came back.

God made one true body of believers through Christ Yes. But news flash.

1. Since adam
2. Since abraham
3. Since moses
4. Throughout the history of the world

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE BODY THROUGH CHRIST.


Since eternal life and salvation ALWAYS was one through Christ, and NOT THROUGH ISRAEL OR ANY OTHER NATION. then your argument is flawed!



Now I ask you once again.

Can you show me in context of Ez as I did how Pentecost fulfilled it.

Take us point by point as I did.
 
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Hey sis, can you explain this? when were the "just" promised land given to Abraham? just trying to see where your coming from.
I really don't know what you want me to explain. When Jesus Christ returns he will open the graves and bring them (speaking to Israel) from the graves. . .resurrection of the just . . . . he will bring them back to the land of Israel . . then the redistribution of land to Abraham and twelve tribes (Ezekiel 47 -48) - the Millennial Kingdom.

 
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I really don't know what you want me to explain. When Jesus Christ returns he will open the graves and bring them (speaking to Israel) from the graves. . .resurrection of the just . . . . he will bring them back to the land of Israel . . then the redistribution of land to Abraham and twelve tribes (Ezekiel 47 -48) - the Millennial Kingdom.

ok.

I see opening the graves as symbolic. not literal. Israel is dead today. the bones and graves are symbolic as God giving life to that which is dead.

God opening up the graves speaks of repentnance/ what was dead in sin is made alive in christ.

this repentance allows them to be restored as per the promise of abraham and leviticus 26.
 

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It really is quite astonishing. It's almost as if Jesus' first appearance is an insignificant sidenote.
• The idea of mashiach (messiah) is an ancient one in Judaism
• The Jewish idea of mashiach is a great human leader like King David, not a savior
• There is much speculation about when the mashiach will come
• The Bible identifies several tasks that the mashiach will accomplish
• Jews do not believe in Jesus because he did not accomplish these tasks

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah
 
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PENTECOST.
they returned FROM Babylon.

in.......time........for: DRUM ROLL - JESUS!

you guys & gals just skip right over the CLIMAX of all History to date.
amazing.
And at this time. . when Jesus came the first time . . this happened to Israel?

I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

 

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And at this time. . when Jesus came the first time . . this happened to Israel?

I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

Isaiah 59:20
"The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins," declares the LORD.

Matthew 3:6
Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Mark 1:15
"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!"

Luke 3:10
"What should we do then?" the crowd asked.

Luke 24:47
and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Acts 5:31
God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.



how many passages have to be posted?
they were in Babylon, as good as dead.
they thought.

but what did He do?
PROMISED them that their captivity would end.
He would bring them into the New covenant He promised.

He either did it or He didn't.

if He didn't do it for them, YOU HAVE NO SAVIOR.


Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

Luke 24:47
and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

John 4:42
They said to the woman, "We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world."
 

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And at this time. . when Jesus came the first time . . this happened to Israel?

I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

if it didn't happen for israel, how can it happen for you?
 
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There has been provided no evidence that the kingdom of God is reigning on the earth. There are many kingdoms on the earth but they are not subject to the kingdom of God. They will be subject at a later time when the kingdom does come and reigns on the earth. These kingdoms of the world were the ones offered to Jesus by Satan when he was in the wilderness in Matt 4:8. Nothing has been showed or provided in the scriptures about the kingdom being presently reigning on earth. You say the apostles preached the kingdom, and so they did, but not in the context that is had been restored to Israel or that it had come presently. It was all future and it was to be expected. Many of you stay away from the scripture that speaks of the kingdom of God being inherited all in the future. Believers will not realize that inheritance until we go to it through death or are taken up alive to meet the Lord in the air to ever be with him.

If you insist on calling me a color like 'RED', I like blue better, so call me 'BLUE'.
 

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And at this time. . when Jesus came the first time . . this happened to Israel?

I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

Ezekiel 37:9
Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.'"

John 3:2
He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him."

John 3:5
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

John 3:7
You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'

John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 3:9
"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.

John 3:10
"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things?

Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel...

....29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing
 
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ok.

I see opening the graves as symbolic. not literal. Israel is dead today. the bones and graves are symbolic as God giving life to that which is dead.

God opening up the graves speaks of repentnance/ what was dead in sin is made alive in christ.

this repentance allows them to be restored as per the promise of abraham and leviticus 26.
ok ~ I see it literally as prophecy concerning the resurrection of the just. . .the first resurrection.:)
 
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And you say Jesus did it in pentecost. WHEN NON OF THE THINGS PROMISED HAPPENED!
and you want to mock us? no wonder people get so pissed at you guys!!
Not mocking; just astonished that you believe things that directly contradict what GOD has said. He clearly has stated that only a remnant of natural Israel would be saved. That remnant comprised of Judah and Israel was saved at Pentecost (and afterwards), making one new man out of two. Israel is no longer a divided kingdom.
 

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ok ~ I see it literally as prophecy concerning the resurrection of the just. . .the first resurrection.:)
Romans 11
11So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?
 
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Am I? Or are you?

God made specific promised through his prophet Ezekial. I take him at his word. why won;t you?? Your the one who has to twist and distort what Ezekial said to make pentecost the fulfiment. NOT ME.




1. Ezekail said ALL MEN.. not some
2. Not all Israel were in Jerusalem. many were STILL SCATTERED throuout the world at this time/. and never came back.

God made one true body of believers through Christ Yes. But news flash.

1. Since adam
2. Since abraham
3. Since moses
4. Throughout the history of the world

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE BODY THROUGH CHRIST.


Since eternal life and salvation ALWAYS was one through Christ, and NOT THROUGH ISRAEL OR ANY OTHER NATION. then your argument is flawed!



Now I ask you once again.

Can you show me in context of Ez as I did how Pentecost fulfilled it.

Take us point by point as I did.
It's really hard getting a handle on what you are trying to say when you are all over the place. It's a fact that at Pentecost Israel and Judah were reunited into one kingdom in Christ; and a fact that they that were dead, lived.

I really don't know what to say to someone who stumbles over the word all. The Greek word that is translated all doesn't always mean every. But to you it seems to mean every. What can I say? That's just wrong.
 

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Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom:

please provide the scriptural evidence for it:)

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Millennial kingdom
The Millennial kingdom refers to the thousand-year reign of Christ specifically mentioned in Revelation 20:1-6. This is usually seen as the same Messianic Kingdom anticipated by the Old Testament prophets. The major views regarding this millennial kingdom follow
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Dispensational premillennialists propose that Christ's return will precede the millennium but will be in two stages: First, to rapture his saints, leaving all others behind, and then after seven years of tribulation, to publicly institute his visible millennial reign. Dispensationalism also has a uniquely Jewish view of the millennium in which God will literally fulfill his OT promises to ethnic Israel, promises not given to Gentile believers.

Historic premillennialists, following some of the early church fathers, teach that the return of Christ will precede a literal thousand years of peace in which Christ would reign upon earth.

Postmillennialists generally see the millennial kingdom as a "golden age" ushered in by the church through the triumph of the gospel, not only in bringing individuals to salvation, but also in dominating culture. In this view, Christ's return is at the culmination (conclusion) of this millennial age, hence the name post-millennial.

Amillennialists believe that the "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is a figurative number indicating the whole period between Jesus' resurrection and his return (i.e. the current church age). In this view Christ now reigns and rules from heaven in and through the church bringing people into the kingdom of God through the preaching of the gospel.

Theopedia
http://www.theopedia.com/Millennial_kingdom
(it's a good enough overview to open this discussion - if you hold a position listed above and want to refine/redefine it go ahead. please cite sources)
restart..............
 
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Romans 14:17
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

is anybody serving Christ in His kingdom, Red?
what did Paul say?



what's an ambassador for?
isn't he representing the king and BRINGING THE MESSAGE?

can anyone not belonging to the King in his kingdom represent Him?

this is the Messianic Age. right now.
people are saved by FAITH - not by sight, through the foolishness of what is preached and are transferred right NOW into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son.

i don't know what Kingdom you are in.
do you?

2 Corinthians 5:20
19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

did this MESSAGE go to Israel? or not?
was Israel BEGGED to be reconciled to God in Christ, or not?


did those who believed GET SAVED or not?

the Book of Acts says they did get saved. the gospel went to them FIRST. you're denying that.

their own Apostles (jews) told us they heard. some got saved and continued to get saved. you even have jews in your Dispensational Church - go figger.

those who didn't get saved - didn't.

where did you EVER get the idea there was EVER UNIVERSAL israelite salvation based on FLESH ANCESTRY?



if you're not teaching Christ's Kingdom you're not representing Him at all.

He is the king, on David's Throne and He is saving whosoever will.
after this comes NEW JERUSALEM and eternity.

you can tell ppl to wait for the Messianic Age like the Pharisees if you want to.
you'll be standing at the GWT wondering where the 1,000 fable went.



He is reiging over the whole earth.
if you don't believe that, i do not know what Kingdom you are in.



aawwww......little jesus reinging in your little heart.
because in your scenario the jews reject Him so He couldn't be KING NOW.

He doesn't NEED a resting place on earth IN PERSON. why would He? HE IS IN GLORY.



make up your mind.



ri-i-i-i-i-i-ght.
the pretribulation rapture story.

no Kingdom on earth when the church and the Holy Spirit take off for 7 years (daniel 70th week ludicrous gap theory) and jews get slaughtered by the Antichrist while the RACIST gentile church (with a few jews in it) is in heaven having a wedding.

then they all come down and.....WHAT?

then Plan A kicks back in....and FLESH ISRAEL rules over the world with Jesus from Jerusalem?

where's the racist gentile church at that time?
Nothing in this post or any other post points to the kingdom of God reigning on the earth. We seek that kingdom and pray that it come on earth as it is in heaven, but it's in heaven right now and is coming in the future with the second coming when Christ will reign for 1,000 years on earth. We have seen glimpses of this kingdom demonstrated in power but not reigning over nations. Reigning over nations is far from having the gospel preached in all the world. Reigning over nations is when all nations come under your rule and authority ans judgment is executed under that rule. No such thing exists on the earth and the church does not represent any rule over nations. In order for the kingdom of God to be able to reign on the earth, Satan must be bound for that period of time unable to deceive the nations that the kingdom is reigning over. Then Satan will be loosed for a time at the end of the kingdom age.