Predestination is misunderstood...

[Everlasting-Grace]

So there saved when they confessed before the resurrection then.

So they where saved by mercy because they confessed there sin.

If they did yes.

If they did not, then no

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No you can't keep falling back on a works based Salvation, friend, thats putting God in a box, there's no such thing buddy.

There is the works of Gods children to lead you to the cross tho.

I am just stating there are two beliefs

Grace through faith (unmerited)

or grace through faith plus works. (Merited)

You can;t have it both ways.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you did not merit it, would imply you where saved by an unmerited favor.

Why Should God's good will equate to unmerited favor.

You did not deserve it, and God Good will decided to save you before you received salvation.

Gods good will says he is willing that non should perish. He paid the price.

He is offering his favor to everyone.

Sadly, Many will not recieve it, they will either try to earn it, or reject it outright

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Am doing strict carnivore also brother...I have type 2 but it is in remission...Done Keto for 18 months , now eating only beef , butter , bacon and eggs...Next bloods in one month...Losing stored fat , so much health issues gone , I am delighted...Have you watched DR M Berry on YouTube , he is amazing , and fighting for doctors to introduce Keto/Carnivore...

well done Rosie 😊

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Gods good will says he is willing that non should perish. He paid the price.

He is offering his favor to everyone.

Sadly, Many will not recieve it, they will either try to earn it, or reject it outright

He is offering his favour to those who ask for it. Which stil means you are being saved by God's good will.

God gives freely to those who ask for his wisdom, on the bases they use that wisdom for the better Good, because that's how his will works.

So why should you dismiss his Good will for an unmerited favour

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

He is offering his favour to those who ask for it. Which stil means you are being saved by God's good will.

No, he offers it to everyone, Only those who ask for it will recieve it.

And yes, we are saved by Gods good will through unmerited favor

God gives freely to those who ask for his wisdom, on the bases they use that wisdom for the better Good, because that's how his will works.

So why should you dismiss his Good will for an unmerited favour

Why would you deny they are both the same thing?

Gods good will was sending his son to the cross. So he could offer favor to thew world..

Unmerited just means it can not be merited. as apposed to merited favor which would be a wage or reward.

 

[Rosemaryx]

A friend of min introduced me to Dr Berry, He is the reason I am doing this. My sugar went way High and the doctor said I must do something.

I get my first blood work here in a few weeks. I am praying.. I eat 4 eggs for breakfast most days..lol. I am the same, only I add chicken and some fish.. Are you doing the salt drinks? I am trying LMNT, I get cramps all the time due to lack of minerals.

Yes I also eat fish...So glad you...I did do the salt when I started , but I have enough on my food through the day , and find all my leg cramps have gone...I also put egg yolk in my morning coffee with grass fed butter , it is delish...And yes , I have chicken also , with the skin nice and crispy...You will get there brother , one day at a time...It gets easier as our body heals...

 

[Rosemaryx]

well done Rosie 😊

Thank you

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I am just stating there are two beliefs

Grace through faith (unmerited)

or grace through faith plus works. (Merited)

You can;t have it both ways.

which one sounds more leading to knowing God is saving you, and not yourself.

You are saved by God's good will through faith.

Or you are saved by God's unmerited favour through faith.

Which one sits best.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes I also eat fish...So glad you...I did do the salt when I started , but I have enough on my food through the day , and find all my leg cramps have gone...I also put egg yolk in my morning coffee with grass fed butter , it is delish...And yes , I have chicken also , with the skin nice and crispy...You will get there brother , one day at a time...It gets easier as our body heals...

Egg yolk in coffee, never heard of that..lol

I am pressing on.. As hard as it is.. (I passed up the best Lasagnia I know of last thursday, was rough watching everyone eat..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

which one sounds more leading to knowing God is saving you, and not yourself.

You are saved by God's good will through faith.

Or you are saved by God's unmerited favour through faith.

Which one sits best.

Both fit.

I was saved By Gods good will sacrifice

And I was saved by God favor which was unmerited.

You do realise that the NT was written in Greek do you not? It was not written in english, we just interpret the words used.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Egg yolk in coffee, never heard of that..lol

I am pressing on.. As hard as it is.. (I passed up the best Lasagnia I know of last thursday, was rough watching everyone eat..

One more thing Brother , and I wont mess up the thread no more...Egg yolk blended up in the coffee with a bit of butter makes the coffee creamy , and it is also a great way to get the yolk into your eating plan...I look forward to your update on blood work...Please message me to let me know as I am praying for you...

 

[notmyown]

One more thing Brother , and I wont mess up the thread no more...Egg yolk blended up in the coffee with a bit of butter makes the coffee creamy , and it is also a great way to get the yolk into your eating plan...I look forward to your update on blood work...Please message me to let me know as I am praying for you...

i'll pray for you, too, Dr. B

Rosemary, you're in my prayers, also. you are the sweetest girl.

 

[Rosemaryx]

i'll pray for you, too, Dr. B

Rosemary, you're in my prayers, also. you are the sweetest girl.

Thank you so much dear @notmyown ...You really touched my heart...So grateful for your kind words...xox...

 

[Evmur]

NT HOLINESS / SANCTIFICATION

The NT asserts that when sinners turn to Jesus in repentance and faith (cf. Mark 1:15; Acts 3:16,19; 20:21), they are instantaneously justified and sanctified. This is their new position in Christ. His righteousness has been imputed to them (cf. Gen. 15:6; Romans 4). They are declared right and holy (a forensic act of God).

But the NT also urges believers on to holiness or sanctification. It is both a theological position in the finished work of Jesus Christ and a call to be Christlike in attitude and actions in daily life. As salvation is a free gift and a cost-everything lifestyle, so too, is sanctification.



Initial Response A Progressive Christlikeness
Acts 26:18
Romans 15:16
1 Corinthians 1:2-3; 6:11
2 Thessalonians 2:13
Hebrews 2:11; 10:10,14; 13:12
2 Peter 1:2 Romans 6:19
2 Cor. 7:1
Ephesians 1:4; 2:10
1 Thess. 3:13; 4:3-4,7; 5:2
1 Timothy 2:15
2 Timothy 2:21
1 Peter 1:15-16
Hebrews 12:14

defo salvation and salvation is free ... but do you think rewards and losses may depend upon our lifestyle? we all will reach our eternal home but will we all reign with Christ?

 

[Cameron143]

We need to read in context, see below

37. Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

1. They were cut to the heart - Their conviction of when they realizes what they did to christ by hanging him on a cross was so deep, and so strong, that it cut into their heart,
2. They asked, what shall we do

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”

1. His response is to repent, To change your view, to confess, to be poor in spirit, To change from a state of unbelief to a state of belief

2. He then told those who did repent to be baptized as an outward testimony of an inward faith

3. He said those who repented would recieve remission of sin and the gift of the spirit (be born again) and this promise is not only to them, but to everyone who would come after (us)

41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

We finally see, those who recieved his word (recieved Christ) were baptized, as peter said asked them to do. Showing they had freely chose to repent and believe

You left out...they heard this. That is the hearing given...the understanding. Their mind was engaged by God. They were pricked in their hearts...their hearts were circumcised. Then,...what shall we do? Their wills were affected.
All this happened inwardly to convert them. God was already working in them. They made the choice to do as Peter said freely after all this occurred. 3,000 were saved. Unfortunately, many more thousands who heard the same message, who God did not give hearing to or prick their hearts remained unaffected though the heard and witnessed the same thing.
God adds to the church daily in the same way. Jesus said He will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

 

[Cameron143]

We need to read in context, see below

37. Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

1. They were cut to the heart - Their conviction of when they realizes what they did to christ by hanging him on a cross was so deep, and so strong, that it cut into their heart,
2. They asked, what shall we do

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”

1. His response is to repent, To change your view, to confess, to be poor in spirit, To change from a state of unbelief to a state of belief

2. He then told those who did repent to be baptized as an outward testimony of an inward faith

3. He said those who repented would recieve remission of sin and the gift of the spirit (be born again) and this promise is not only to them, but to everyone who would come after (us)

41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

We finally see, those who recieved his word (recieved Christ) were baptized, as peter said asked them to do. Showing they had freely chose to repent and believe

But you focus on what men did. The focus should always begin with what God did.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

"For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence." Ephesians 1:4
Is Moses saved? Yes.....
Is David saved? Yes.....
Is Isaiah saved? Yes....

Were they chosen to be the body of Christ? To be His Church?
No....

God chose us out from all those whom He knew would believe.. All believers throughout all history.
Chose only us for the position of becoming the Bride of Christ.

[sometimes I don't realize what thread I've been posting in... so I wanted to address the OP]



YES! I pretty much agree!

I skimmed hastily through this thread, and though I might word a few things a little differently, I basically agree with this point (regarding what Eph1:4 is communicating). It pertains solely to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (also known as "the Bride," presently "betrothed"... meaning, all those coming to faith in Christ "IN THIS PRESENT AGE [singular]"... between Pentecost and "our Rapture" basically).

It does NOT pertain to all other saints of all OTHER time-frames: so, not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints.




(where it says, "for to make/create [ktizō ] in himself of twain one new [altogether new] man, so making peace," it refers to, in "this present age [singular]"... not all those [believers / saints] of other time-periods; and it continues on to say, "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" [key phrase "in one body"]).



So, yes, I pretty much agree with the quote at top! = )




[ I'll try to go through this thread again, and comment briefly where I agree... when I get some free time]

 

[Johann]

but do you think rewards and losses may depend upon our lifestyle? we all will reach our eternal home but will we all reign with Christ?

Yes-Scripture affirms that our rewards and losses in eternity are indeed linked to our lifestyle and actions on earth. While all believers will reach their eternal home, the Bible indicates that not all will reign with Christ or receive the same rewards.

Rewards and Losses Based on Lifestyle
1 Corinthians 3:12-15: This passage highlights that believers will be rewarded based on their actions and choices on earth. Some will receive rewards for their faithful service, while others may suffer loss due to their works being burned up.

2 Corinthians 5:10: This verse emphasizes that all believers will give an account of their lives to the Lord, and they will be judged according to their works, leading to the gain or loss of eternal rewards.

Matthew 25:23: Jesus' parable in this passage illustrates varying levels of reward based on faithful stewardship. Those who are faithful with what they have been given will receive greater responsibilities and rewards.

Revelation 2:23: This verse underscores that God searches hearts and minds, repaying each individual according to their deeds. It emphasizes the importance of our actions in determining our eternal rewards.

Eternal Rewards in Heaven
1 Corinthians 9:25-27: The Victor's Crown is awarded to those who exercise self-discipline and focus on activities with eternal value, reflecting faithful service to God.

1 Peter 5:4: The Crown of Glory is given to faithful shepherds and leaders who serve God's people diligently, highlighting the importance of leadership roles within the church.

James 1:12; Revelation 2:10: The Crown of Life is granted to those who endure persecution, temptation, and remain steadfast in their love for Christ, even in the face of martyrdom.

1 Thessalonians 2:19: The Crown of Rejoicing is bestowed upon those who lead others to Christ, emphasizing the significance of evangelism and discipleship in receiving heavenly rewards.

2 Timothy 4:8: The Crown of Righteousness awaits those who eagerly anticipate Christ's return and live a life dedicated to righteousness, looking forward to receiving their reward from the Lord.

we all will reach our eternal home but will we all reign with Christ?

Depends-are we sealed with the Holy Spirit? Ever read Pilgrims Progress?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Both fit.

I was saved By Gods good will sacrifice

And I was saved by God favor which was unmerited.

You do realise that the NT was written in Greek do you not? It was not written in english, we just interpret the words used.

I ain't concerned by greek, im concerned by what is a clear definition of Gods grace, which is major flaw in church doctrine.


For when you where saved your condition before you was saved was out of favour, with the lord. Which makes your condition of Good will (Grace) unmerited, it does not them make God's good will ( grace) unmerited.