Predestination is misunderstood...

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brightfame52

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Yes thanks for leaving the un- depriving part out he says ye will not come to me because they have yet to do this

The un- depraving part.

But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life
Yes you backwards, man by nature is unwilling to come to Christ jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And men by nature cant come to christ Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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Yes you backwards, man by nature is unwilling to come to Christ jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And men by nature cant come to christ Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
yes I'm depraved again thankyou
 
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Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart. Duh
yes I'm depraved again thankyou duh
 

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They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
John chapter 10 is about the PARABLE of the SHEEP:
What did Jesus say about the Jews and His PARABLES?

14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’

It fulfills Isaiah

9 And He said: 'Go, and tell this people: hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they, seeing with their eyes, and hearing with their ears, and understanding with their heart, return, and be healed.'

Paul explains it this way

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”


The Jews could not understand because what God did to them.
It had NOTHING to do with Jesus not dying for them because He did!
 

Genez

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I don't agree that Paul was saying that those "who's god is their belly" were ever saved. He said "Who's end is destruction".
Yes... There will be believers who are going to face terrible destruction.


1 Corinthians 3:11-15


For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has
been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will
suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.



There is also a sin onto death that stubborn, self righteous believers go through when their time comes. 1 John 5:16-18
 

Genez

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I don't agree that Paul was saying that those "who's god is their belly" were ever saved. He said "Who's end is destruction". So they were never saved. I took "the belly" as to describe, "Mammon" as it suggests that one is living for earthly pleasures, rather than serving God.

Organs of the body were used by the ancients to describe various emotions and feelings....

Here you go.... Run with this one.



Song of Solomon 5:4

My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door,
and my bowels were moved for him."

Explain that....



Your commentaries are not helping you....
 

Genez

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They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
Want to be 'one doctrine' wiz kid? While?

There are THOUSANDS of doctrines to be known!
Don't let the devil nail your shoes to the floor.


LEARN DOCTRINE as a way of life! Find a good pastor teacher who can teach the full council of God's Word.
Get out of that TULIP garden and do some real work by grace!

Otherwise... ten years from now? You will be harping on the same thing. Never growing in Christ.


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

brightfame52

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Want to be 'one doctrine' wiz kid? While?

There are THOUSANDS of doctrines to be known!
Don't let the devil nail your shoes to the floor.


LEARN DOCTRINE as a way of life! Find a good pastor teacher who can teach the full council of God's Word.
Get out of that TULIP garden and do some real work by grace!

Otherwise... ten years from now? You will be harping on the same thing. Never growing in Christ.


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
 
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They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
Thanks for your depraving comment
 
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They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
welcome to the program of un-depravity.

All tho I know you won't answer to un-depravity,

Unbelief is a sin forgiven.
 
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TULIP people suffer from a form of theological depravity...


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. No they live by a code here. It called don't answer to un-depravity and only answer with depravity.

That's the code of there tulip doctrine
 

Genez

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TULIP people suffer from a form of theological depravity...



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Genez

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TULIP? ....

Real depravity comes from between two lips!​

James 3:6


And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

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Genez

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No they have a code they live by here that separates you from them

If your not a Calvinist you get depraved plain and simple.
Its like Muslims who see all non Muslims as infidels..
Satan repackages his religion in many flavors and colors...
 
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TULIP? ....

Real depravity comes from between two lips!​

James 3:6


And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

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Theres another understanding of one part of the body suffers the whole body suffers.

Which means if one Christian suffers the whole body of believers should suffer with them