Predestination is misunderstood...
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This one especially baffles the "Limited Atonement" crowd.
God did everything necessary to save everyone who rejects Him!
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That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." 1 Timothy 4:10
God did everything necessary to save everyone who rejects Him!
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You are a joke, my friend. You can't ecven apply basic sixth grade reading comprehension to a bible texts to work out what it is actually saying, and you are telling me that Irefuse to listen to scripture.
PaulThomson said:
If I was brought forth in New Zealand and my mother conceived me in a hotel room. Do these facts mean I had New Zealand in me from conception; and I had a hotel in me when I was born?
You should try applying basic reading comprehension when reading the Bible.
The language does not say David had sin in him from conception. It says he was surrounded by sin at conception and birth.
PaulThomson said:
If I was brought forth in New Zealand and my mother conceived me in a hotel room. Do these facts mean I had New Zealand in me from conception; and I had a hotel in me when I was born?
You should try applying basic reading comprehension when reading the Bible.
The language does not say David had sin in him from conception. It says he was surrounded by sin at conception and birth.
Jesus died for both the sheep and the the goats.
You are committing the "negative inference fallacy. You are assuming, without evidence, that Jesus saying he gives His life for X means he did not give His life for Y.
Well, lookie here. Gal. 2:20. ...I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for Me.
According to your faulty thinking in John 10, Paul must be saying Jesus only died for Paul.
You are committing the "negative inference fallacy. You are assuming, without evidence, that Jesus saying he gives His life for X means he did not give His life for Y.
Well, lookie here. Gal. 2:20. ...I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for Me.
According to your faulty thinking in John 10, Paul must be saying Jesus only died for Paul.
Genesis 4:7
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7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Notice here God says sin is crouching at your door Cain
Right after this Cain struck able.
Would you agree God was had seen Cains future and he was warning him, cain in advance., and if he had not.have striked cain, it would have changed his destiny
New International Version
7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Notice here God says sin is crouching at your door Cain
Right after this Cain struck able.
Would you agree God was had seen Cains future and he was warning him, cain in advance., and if he had not.have striked cain, it would have changed his destiny
Again, this is your view. Grace is merely unmerited favor. Since God owes nothing to anyone and everything we receive comes from God, everything is of grace.
To suggest that this somehow diminishes the grace of God in salvation or lessens the value of the cross is simply too narrow a view of grace in my opinion. Rather, it highlights the necessity of grace, and points singularly to Christ and Him crucified as the ultimate and fullest expression of grace.
To suggest that this somehow diminishes the grace of God in salvation or lessens the value of the cross is simply too narrow a view of grace in my opinion. Rather, it highlights the necessity of grace, and points singularly to Christ and Him crucified as the ultimate and fullest expression of grace.
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I think any wise person knows it is wise to define your terms in a discussion.
Considering the big black bold text it seems you are exhibiting the typical behaviors that "Calvinists" "Reformed" exhibit.
Since you do not know what Hell is but most likely think it is a place filled with real fire at the center of the earth, if such a place existed which I highly doubt, He would love those that are there.
Considering the big black bold text it seems you are exhibiting the typical behaviors that "Calvinists" "Reformed" exhibit.
Since you do not know what Hell is but most likely think it is a place filled with real fire at the center of the earth, if such a place existed which I highly doubt, He would love those that are there.
A rather dim view of God, I do not owe you anything but I will do it anyway. 
But out of curiosity, what does God owe you?
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