Predestination is misunderstood...

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17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
God died for Everyone so Everyone might be saved.
Free Will determines who will be and will not be saved.
 
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Jesus’ words in John 6:65
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FollowerofShiloh said:
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
God died for Everyone so Everyone might be saved.
Free Will determines who will be and will not be saved.
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He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 John 2:2​

That verse baffles some people....
 
Genez said:
He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 John 2:2​

That verse baffles some people....
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Absolutely!
They completely miss the portion that states : "might be" saved.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Absolutely!
They completely miss the portion that states : "might be" saved.
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This one especially baffles the "Limited Atonement" crowd.
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That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, ​
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." 1 Timothy 4:10​
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God did everything necessary to save everyone who rejects Him!


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The reformed doctrine is so tunnel visioned it reads John 3:16 and goes to that word world and they claim is only believers. But if they read verse 17 and grasp "might be" saved, it's clear this is now talking about ALL human beings "might be" saved
 
Genez said:
This one especially baffles the "Limited Atonement" crowd.
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That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, ​
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." 1 Timothy 4:10​
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God did everything necessary to save everyone who rejects Him!


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I use that verse here and it trips em up big time.
 
It's like being able to hear the light switch being engaged to the "on" position with that "might be" saved portion of verse 17. He's probably skimming through every version of the Bible reading John 3:17 now :ROFL::ROFL::LOL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
maxamir said:
If you refuse to listen to Scripture then then there is no further purpose in warning you any further as to do so would only be me casting pearls before swine and lead to your greater condemnation if God does not grant you grace to see the offense of your sin against His holiness.

I sincerely pray that God gives you absolutely no peace until you are humbled by Him to cry out for mercy and hope it doesn't take a tragedy in your life to do so.
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You are a joke, my friend. You can't ecven apply basic sixth grade reading comprehension to a bible texts to work out what it is actually saying, and you are telling me that Irefuse to listen to scripture.

PaulThomson said:
If I was brought forth in New Zealand and my mother conceived me in a hotel room. Do these facts mean I had New Zealand in me from conception; and I had a hotel in me when I was born?

You should try applying basic reading comprehension when reading the Bible.

The language does not say David had sin in him from conception. It says he was surrounded by sin at conception and birth.
 
maxamir said:
Which sinners did Christ die for? Did Christ die for the sheep or the goats?

Joh 10:11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Joh 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
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Jesus died for both the sheep and the the goats.
You are committing the "negative inference fallacy. You are assuming, without evidence, that Jesus saying he gives His life for X means he did not give His life for Y.

Well, lookie here. Gal. 2:20. ...I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for Me.
According to your faulty thinking in John 10, Paul must be saying Jesus only died for Paul.
 
maxamir said:
God does not and never has loved those whom He justly casts into Hell. You obviously did not read all of the verses which proclaim God's hatred for the reprobate or yet understand that His love is eternal and is confirmed only in those whom He saves.

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So, Jesus expressed a loveless compassion for the crowds who came to him?
 
maxamir said:
God's will of command and warnings both work toward His will of decree. He commands those things which are impossible for man to do, so that man would not look to himself but rather outside of himself to God to whom nothing is impossible.
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Genesis 4:7

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7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

Notice here God says sin is crouching at your door Cain

Right after this Cain struck able.

Would you agree God was had seen Cains future and he was warning him, cain in advance., and if he had not.have striked cain, it would have changed his destiny
 
maxamir said:
My Bible mentions the word grace 137 times and not once is it to do with the wicked reprobate who only receive wrath from God no matter how much they may think of it as being any type of grace.

The danger of promoting the free sovereign particular grace of God to every person is to make the sacrifice of Christ into a common thing and insult the Spirit of grace (Heb 10:29) as well as turn the grace of God into lawlessness (Jud 1:4).

For further study I would recommend the resource page below.

Resources on Uncommon Grace
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Again, this is your view. Grace is merely unmerited favor. Since God owes nothing to anyone and everything we receive comes from God, everything is of grace.
To suggest that this somehow diminishes the grace of God in salvation or lessens the value of the cross is simply too narrow a view of grace in my opinion. Rather, it highlights the necessity of grace, and points singularly to Christ and Him crucified as the ultimate and fullest expression of grace.
 
Cameron143 said:
Again, this is your view. Grace is merely unmerited favor. Since God owes nothing to anyone and everything we receive comes from God, everything is of grace.
To suggest that this somehow diminishes the grace of God in salvation or lessens the value of the cross is simply too narrow a view of grace in my opinion. Rather, it highlights the necessity of grace, and points singularly to Christ and Him crucified as the ultimate and fullest expression of grace.
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I really think it's an insult to highlight Gods grace as an unmerited favor.

Sorry friend but I really do have a huge issue with this.

I find it the most disturbing thing ever.
 
maxamir said:
Stop deflecting an answer the question!

Does God love those He casts into Hell?
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I think any wise person knows it is wise to define your terms in a discussion.

Considering the big black bold text it seems you are exhibiting the typical behaviors that "Calvinists" "Reformed" exhibit.

Since you do not know what Hell is but most likely think it is a place filled with real fire at the center of the earth, if such a place existed which I highly doubt, He would love those that are there.
 
Cameron143 said:
Again, this is your view. Grace is merely unmerited favor. Since God owes nothing to anyone and everything we receive comes from God, everything is of grace.
To suggest that this somehow diminishes the grace of God in salvation or lessens the value of the cross is simply too narrow a view of grace in my opinion. Rather, it highlights the necessity of grace, and points singularly to Christ and Him crucified as the ultimate and fullest expression of grace.
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A rather dim view of God, I do not owe you anything but I will do it anyway. :(
 
HeIsHere said:
A rather dim view of God, I do not owe you anything but I will do it anyway. :(
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Hardly. It is the highest view of God. Owing nothing to anyone, but still condescending. What love!
But out of curiosity, what does God owe you?
 
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